Yellow media watch wrote on May 25, 2008 7:18 AM:
" Jay,
We never really got along in your class, we traded a few barbs back and forth.
Congratulations, and be sure to donate some of that hefty retirement to charity on a regular basis and I will forgive you.
PS...I never was the first one to lose my license...lol "
Willie wrote on May 23, 2008 9:04 AM:
" And their pay was lower to start with. It is easier to close the gap when you have a lower salary to start with. Oh, well you will win this argument by default because you always have to have the last word. I'm not wasting my time with you because we are the only two people reading this blog. How pathetic is that? "
Bumper wrote on May 22, 2008 6:53 PM:
" Willie- "I suspect that is because their retirement funds give them closer to the same income they earned while working". That is utterly the most profound statement I have ever heard. You've made a joke, right? Come on. Of course their 'retirement funds' gave them closer to what they made while working. The contributed far more in the form of double digit taxpaer contributions to those pension funds, and we 'all' paid for it! "
Willie wrote on May 22, 2008 9:48 AM:
" Oscar, you are right, traditionally they have been able to retire sooner. I suspect that is because their retirement funds give them closer to the same income they earned while working. I wonder with more and more private sector employers offering 401K, how that will affect private sector retirements in the future. Bumper, all I have tried to do is point out that you can't lump all government workers together for a comparison. Health care isn't the only area. For every example you find, if I tried hard enough I could find the opposite example. Personally I have a life so I am not going to waste it digging that deep. I am just going to have to agree to disagree with you. I have wasted too much time on this subject already. "
Bumper wrote on May 21, 2008 6:00 PM:
" Willie, Willie, Willie- The County employees in health care have gotten the shaft at County Health care facilities forever. There benefits have been different and less. They also are isolated. I am going to make a post on the CFC School thread from today. Take the time and read it. "
The Dude wrote on May 21, 2008 12:52 PM:
" Congrats on your successful careers and retirements Mr. and Mrs. Flury. Both are very kind and dedicated people and deserve everything they have coming to them. "
Oscar wrote on May 21, 2008 12:42 PM:
" I have to agree with many points that willie and bumper have brought up. It is only in govt. and unions that people can work one job forever and retire earlier than most. I don't want to discredit the Flurys for their contributions and efforts but I would like to address the nepotism that seems rampant in Onalaska and LaCrosse. I can think of several married couples and related employees in Onalaska as well as LX. Is this a good hiring practice? Does it allow diversity in the staff. Are the administrators in each others pockets so deep that such favoritism is allowed and probably encouraged? I recall an expose by the Trib a few years back on nepotism in City Hall. I belief it resulted in some guidelines regarding the issue. How about an article on our schools and nepotism. Anybody else have similar observations?
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Willie wrote on May 21, 2008 10:02 AM:
" School district employees aren't the only government employees out there. State patrol and prison guards are some of the lowest paid in their profession. Some private security guards make more than prison guards (probably evens out when you include benefits). Most private sector employees don't have it worse off. Like I have said before, when you include the total package it evens out. Some have better benefits, some have better pay; but few have it better both ways. If you find a government job that does, change your profession and apply for it instead of complaining. "
Willie wrote on May 21, 2008 9:56 AM:
" Bumper, your pay/benefit analysis is skewed by the school district is appears. There are many jobs in the county health department that pay lower and have less benefits than equivalent jobs at the hospitals. The county expanded its CMO program and are having a hard time filling those positions. The same can usually be said about employees at most nursing homes. My wife was a CNA not all that long ago, and she could get paid more at most private homes than she could have at Hillview (although Hillview has worked hard to raise pay). Why do you as a consumer think it costs more at private hospitals and nursing homes over the government equivalent, and why do you think you get better care at private facilities? "
Bumper wrote on May 20, 2008 2:00 PM:
" Onalaska residents!- Your School System just changed an employee benefit, because their was no money at the end of the tunnel for the 'promised' benefit. Your financial Director came to the podium and told you that they were going to save you 20%, by converting the old system to an annuity. What he did not tell you is that there was no money, and now they had to 'front load' the new system of funding starting immediately with a first year $1.3 million. Yes, that was right before the boor wed an unprecedented 4 million for your system. Just coincidence I'll bet. Kinda like Lacrosse Schools needing money for 'maintenance needs'? "
Bumper wrote on May 20, 2008 1:10 PM:
" "They may not pay the employee contributions, but that is usually reflected in a lower salary than private sector counterparts"? Lower salary? Really, apparently you have not spoken to Luther or CCS teachers and Admin people, apparently you have not spoken to the average secretary, and apparently you have not spoken to a private sector custodian. Most of all it is apparent that statistics do not back you up and you know nothing of which you speak. The pay disparity reversed decades ago for government vs. private employees pay, they earn more! The benefits disparity since has grown only wider as well. Go over to Ms. Berra at Blessed Sacrament and inform her of your pay/benefit conclusions in her 1936 school with original boiler! BS "
Willie wrote on May 20, 2008 10:59 AM:
" Bumper, you may think I look silly and out of touch, but I have talked to people I know in various private sector jobs and everybody's benefit packages are different and so are salaries. Most of these peoples' employers match employee contributions and get better returns on the average than most government funds do. They may not pay the employee contributions, but that is usually reflected in a lower salary than private sector counterparts. The private sector employers who don't provide a decent package don't keep employees either. If government jobs are so great how come the county has problems filling many of it's positions? Whether the cost of these packages come out of tax payers money or private sector goods and services, you pay as a consumer pay either way. Perhaps it is you that are out of touch with reality if you don't realize that. "
Bumper wrote on May 20, 2008 8:49 AM:
" Let me get this straight, that waitress and crossing guard couple did not deserve living benefits because of their education level, while they worked hard to pay for yours? Your ill conceived thought only serves to illustrate your prima donna entitlement train of thought. Also, there is not national health care crisis, there is a private sector worker health care crisis. You people have health insurance, who are you kidding! Lastly, do you think that your level of benefits are indigenous to just teachers and Admin over there with advanced degrees. Give me a break, I hope you are not teaching debate. "
Bumper wrote on May 20, 2008 8:42 AM:
" Willy- I am sorry for you. You are so out of touch with the facts and point here you look silly. The point is the 'double digit' matching payroll contributions government employees receive from us, taxpayers. NOT! a double digit "return" on their fund. Try to pay attention! groucho- Jealousy? 50% of the private sector has no employer contribution to retirement. The other half would receive less if you people even reverted back to a WRS originally intended employee/employer split contribution. This disparity has grown for over two decades and most certainly has nothing to do with an "open profession", or market. "
groucho wrote on May 19, 2008 9:55 PM:
" Bumper, er, North Sider - Once again, your jealousy is showing. Teaching is an open profession ... if it's so great, go back to school and become one. Incidentally, how much education do your crossing guard and waitress friends have? Commensurate with their "professions" I'm sure. "
LuzerPatrol wrote on May 19, 2008 8:57 PM:
" "Jay was diagnosed in June 2004 with multiple myeloma, a cancer of the plasma cells in bone marrow, and there is no cure. Hes undergone chemotherapy and two stem cell transplants. He was on medical leave this school year."
Bumper et al. read this and then complained about teachers' and other public sector employees' retirement benefits? Apply for their jobs if your compensation doesn't reflect the impact you have on our culture. With your pathetic outlook you wouldn't get a sniff at an interview. I contend that the people of Onalaska got a great deal when they hired Mr. and Mrs. Flury. "
Willie wrote on May 19, 2008 6:38 PM:
" Bumper, the grass is greener on the other side. Many private sector employees have 401k, and if invested wisely will give you double digit returns as well. Even with my WRS retirement, I know I won't be able to retire at 55. As I said before I will feel lucky if I can retire at 60. I may even have to go to 67 (or later) if the baby boomers tap out social security and health care services. Yeah the pension would be OK, but how much of that will have to go to medical insurance? I might have to wait until I qualify for medicare, if it still exists. "
Bumper wrote on May 19, 2008 3:25 PM:
" Headline- 'Couple needs to still work after their 65th birthday'. John is a crossing guard and badly needs the $10 per hour as he was the one of the 50% of private sector workers who did not have an employer contribution plan. As his employer was being taxed to death in Lacrosse with near 400 million in property encompassed in TIFs, and the City was on a short list for the highest property taxes, and mill rates in WI. Also the school system was leading the way with just short of $11k per pupil cost, and outlandish benefits for employees and a Superintendent of schools who has $26k plus each year donated to his retirement. Marge raised 4 beautiful kids and has had to pick up a waitress job to subsidize their Golden years. You people need to get out and about! "
Bumper wrote on May 19, 2008 2:59 PM:
" The "no kid" point explains nothing! As I have stated before, all of you out there that have an employer (in their case us) that matches 11.7% of your pay each week to your retirement. Willie, if you work for a local government you are in the WRS. You also receive a double digit contribution. Which would place you at or near, and soon after more with the 3.8% than you made while working. Unless you work for the Feds as an IRS worker, postman, or soldier. Or you are a luetenant in the Police who cals it quits at 52 after he has received 18.5% contributed to his retirement (w/o the inexpensive disability portion). "
Willie wrote on May 19, 2008 11:51 AM:
" The no kid thing explains it. Thanks. "
conscience? wrote on May 19, 2008 10:30 AM:
" I had Mr. Flury for drivers education a million years ago. He was a great teacher.
As for the retirement comments...they didn't have children. I can't even imagine how much more money I'd have if I didn't have kids. "
Blue State Bruce wrote on May 19, 2008 10:12 AM:
" Wow, Bumper, I mean CN, that was a new and completely original thought. I'm still waiting for your nomination papers to be circulated. Most persons would congratulate this couple on their fine service. You, however, choose to think of yourself. I am pleased to note that you are the only outraged party. "
Willie wrote on May 19, 2008 9:44 AM:
" Krusty, it has been my observation that there are more courteous drivers in Milwaukee than there are in LaCrosse. What's up with that? "
Willie wrote on May 19, 2008 9:41 AM:
" I need to be in a better union. I work for the government and participate in the same retirement fund, but I already know I can't realistically retire at 55. I will feel successful if I can retire at 60, and that will only happen because I have some other plans for retirement income. (Military pension and IRA's) Even with the other sources, I will still need the accelerated payment from Soc. Sec. to do it. I suppose it helps that they are both teachers. "
Bumper wrote on May 19, 2008 8:42 AM:
" My of my, "for three decades"! Hey, By the way, how is your retirement going for 54 & 55? You paid for theirs after all. "
Darwin wrote on May 19, 2008 7:53 AM:
" Mr. Flury is a fantastic teacher and a very kind man - he'll be missed! "
Krusty wrote on May 19, 2008 6:09 AM:
" I just wish jay would've taught more local drivers to stay out of the left lane unless you are passing or turning left. That annoys the hell out of me! "