Twilite wrote on Jul 22, 2008 11:32 PM:
" Let's just hope that ru4real is not a parent...if she doesn't have time to think in a situation, there could be another dead child. I'd also like to say that I am a single mother, working, giving everything so that I can take care of my child. We struggle, but we make it. People go through a lot of crap in their lives - it's NOT an excuse for murder. Learn how to handle yourself instead of escaping life with drugs, as it looks like this girl did. "
ru4real wrote on Jul 22, 2008 1:22 PM:
" I am just begging you guys to quit judging because some of the situations that we are put in we don't have time to think or not given the opportunity to think which causes you to react. I will say again, you will only know what you will do when it happens to you. You guys are not mind readers thank god. "
ru4real wrote on Jul 22, 2008 1:17 PM:
" nancybotwin: You tell of poverty before you had your one night of passion. Shouldn't you have been more careful since you were already eating pork n beans. I feel you should have been so panicked at the idea of having to feed someone else that you shouldn't want to have sex. "
ru4real wrote on Jul 22, 2008 12:51 PM:
" nancybotwin, you chose to keep your baby and go on public assistance (costly to the USA). You should be applying for GED Courses instead of wic so that you will be able to spell. I refuse to pat you on the back for the choice that you made for you. You really don't have a right (none of you) to speak negatively about those less fortunate. "
Twilite wrote on Jul 22, 2008 12:10 AM:
" After delivering a baby, most women are pumped with adrenaline and unable to sleep. I don't get how she could just "fall asleep" right after giving birth...especially if she realized something was wrong with the baby - not eating, shallow breathing. If she didn't know what else to do, call 911. Oh, right, but take a look at her myspace page...that explains a lot. "
peacebaby wrote on Jul 21, 2008 9:19 PM:
" I wish ppl would not talk this way! Just get back to work and chill. "
go1dielox wrote on Jul 21, 2008 7:08 PM:
" I am just curious, you all think that she needs to be in jail burned at the stake whatever. But I did not read anywhere that they have even found a body yet. There is a concept not used anymore in this county. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. And a tip to a crime stopper line / without evidence of a body does not make homicide. No proof, no crime it is only speculation "
RealityCheck wrote on Jul 21, 2008 10:43 AM:
" Yes, there is no excuse for what she did and she only has herself to blame. But I'm wondering if some sort of post-partum manic depression was going on in her head. You know, being pregnant sends out a lot of different horomones that can affect different people in different ways mentally, especially if she was already mentally ill. So she may have thought she was thinking rationally, but none of us really know how much of it was a post-partum issue. Just another aspect to think about. "
NLP wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:49 AM:
" I agree that she needs to be punished for her actions. But if she would have succeeded with the abortion she attempted would views be the same? Either way she killed her baby. "
kimmie wrote on Jul 21, 2008 1:19 AM:
" This POS needs to have a hystorectomy and then while awaiting her sentence, be fed - NOTHING! "
nana3 wrote on Jul 20, 2008 10:02 AM:
" Once again 19 isn't too young to be responsible. Young people have been too sheltered, given too much and it is getting worse. My mom moved 600 miles away when I was 15. She married a much younger man and didn't want people in her new community to know how old she was. I didn't have any relatives close by.
I worked 2 jobs so I could rent an apartment. I also finished my last 2 years of highschool and graduated. RESPONSIBILITY! "
wangchung wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:38 PM:
" burn this woman at the stake. she isnt worthy of life. "
genetixgirl wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:36 PM:
" just to clarify, formykids was right: i wasn't asking about indra's mom to blame the mom. i was just curious because as a mom myself who had my first daughter when i was 19, i am really drawn to this story, so i wonder about a lot of things here, including why indra's mom/family did not know she was pregnant, or if they did, why they didn't help her?
yes, she let her child die, and yes, she needs to face the consequences of that. but it is still a heartbreaking story for LOTS of reasons, and not just because of the death of the child. it is clear that not everyone writing is seeing that, but i guess i tend to look at things from many angles. "
eclipse wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:20 PM:
" While I agree with all the post on here, she does need to be severly punished for not getting proper care and assistance, but it has been made a conclusion that the baby was starved to death...the article states that she went to sleep with infant for 8 hrs and then baby died 8-12 hrs after the nap, add that up and thats 16+ hours, breast feeding mothers know that milk doesn't come in for two days and my doctors advised me not to worry as a baby wouldn't starve to death in 2 days... "
nancybotwin wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:18 PM:
" I choose to keep my baby. They helped me get enrolled in Medicade. They helped set me up with prenatal doctor appts. I was then directed into a prenatal care cooridnation.... where I learned about wic, and also was able to get parenting classes for free. They helped me with telling the news to family..... and I was pretty much set up with all the help I needed. Yes, I won't deny there isn't two worlds..... but there is definetly options to help the less fortunate. If she couldn't help herself and her unborn baby.... then why should we. I am now a proud mother of a beautiful son. "
nancybotwin wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:13 PM:
" Yes.... mack.... you don't need to tell me about the two worlds we are living in. I first hand suffered poverty through out my life time. I know the hunger of having a can of pork and beans for dinner... I have had the Christmas's with no presents under the tree. When I suspected I was pregnant when I just turned 19.... I was scared. But... I called around and found resources. I went to options and recieved a free pregnanct test along with tons of information, and a counselor to support me. I was not judged, and was told about my options. "
wisconsingal wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:07 PM:
" Mack; what a cop out. All she had to do after she delivered that baby was walk over to Gundersen Lutheran or Franciscan Skemp, find a nurse and say "I can't care for my baby, please help her." Period. End of story, no questions asked. That baby would have been washed, clothed and fed immediately. She copped out....and so are you. "
Mack wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:57 PM:
" There are a whole bunch of adults on this blog who have had easy employer or government provided healthcare for so many years they cannot even imagine a 19 year old girl who has never had it and delivered her own child in a bathtub and the baby only survived maybe 8 to 12 hours. This is exactly the two Americas we have been hearing about. It's right here in front of us and we cannot even recognize it when we see it. We really are that spoiled. "
formykids wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:16 PM:
" I am just curious. Does anyone know if Indra had/has family around here? I know that her mother is not to blame. She is an adult. I don't think that the poster who asked where her mother was intended to blame her mother. It would be interesting to know what type of childhood she had. Not that it would make this tragedy any easier to stomach by having a little insight.
I have a 7 month old. I can't imagine my baby going even 3 hours without a feeding. Breaks my heart to think of Indra's poor baby. "
Marines wife wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:44 PM:
" First of all NWO-we get it you had a son when you were young and you took off. Thankfully for that because you were not capable of being a parent. The difference here is that you left the baby with his mother-you didn't stop nursing the baby and he died. Regardless of what you or anyone else says in the end she murdered her child. My niece was 16 when she delivered her son. She took of her child and is a great mother. Indra had plenty of other options. She needs to be held responsible. And the other thing what she did is not her mother's fault so please don't ask where her mother was-Indra was 18 not a minor. Don't blame the mother for Indra's mistake. "
wisconsingal wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:40 PM:
" Woodsgirl, YOU need to open YOUR eyes when you read this article. She stated that after the baby was born, the baby was moving but wasn't crying....and took shallow breaths. This was NOT a stillborn, she TOLD her boyfriend that the baby was stillborn. This was a living, breathing baby that needed care and nurturing right from the first moment she was born. This girl had no intention of taking care of this baby, she wanted to kill it at 5 months and because she couldn't, she waited to kill it when she was born. That is what she did, I have so sympathy for this loser and she needs to sit in prison for the rest of her miserable life. Quit passing the buck and "blaming drugs" for this...where is any mention of drugs??? "
woodsgirl wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:08 PM:
" Pinky - read the article again - she told her boyfriend the baby was stillborn. Read between the lines and open your mind - do you know the effect drugs have? Yes, she needs to be punished. Yes, it was ultimately her doing. Had drugs not been involved, perhaps she would have been thinking a little clearer and sought out what resources were available to her, and this never would have happened. Do not take what is printed as verbatum without ruling out what is implied, but cannot be printed. "
debatefreak wrote on Jul 19, 2008 7:57 PM:
" I do not feel sorry for her at all. Being a teenager right now I feel that if one is stupid enough to have gotten an education (which she did)and still do the risky things we were warned about deserves what comes to them. Some people talk about how America is wrong becuase it doesn't take care of these people well the government can't babysit 24/7! As for taxes I don't mind paying to keep this killer in jail. Not to mention that she will not get off because of her confession! A confession is almost as good as DNA evidence. "
acj wrote on Jul 19, 2008 6:24 PM:
" see what happens when people go around indescriminately screwing and not taking responsibility for thier actions. she needs a keeper. "
pinky wrote on Jul 19, 2008 6:22 PM:
" Woodsgirl-this baby was not stillborn and there is no mention of drug problems anywhere. Drugs are not to blame. The person is to blame. And there is absolutely no excuse for what this woman did. So she couldn't breastfeed and didn't know where to turn for help. Even if she didn't know she could drop the baby off at a hospital or police station, how about going to a store and buying some bottles and formula?!? Nah, just let the baby starve to death for a couple days, put her in a cooler, then throw her out in the trash. She needs prison, she has no conscious. "
wingdam wrote on Jul 19, 2008 6:22 PM:
" The problem is who do you really punish?
It will cost the innocent taxpayers over 2 and a half million dollars to jail her for life.
It's easy for the court system to use someone elses money when calling for "justice".
I think that everyone who screams "lock um up and throw away the key" should consider the cost/benefit of that simple solution.
There has to be a better way. "
woodsgirl wrote on Jul 19, 2008 2:35 PM:
" The saddest part of this story is we are limited to what reporters have provided to deduce what really happened. We cannot formulate the complete picture of this story based on the limited facts that have been presented, so to then judge is false. What about her friends? her family? Yes, this is tragic. Yes, she should pay the consequences, as should all the people around her who knew she was pregnant, still supported her addictive lifestyle, and accepted her response regarding the stillborn baby. The drug culture in this city is huge and knows no racial or socioeconomic boundaries - drugs are everywhere, and this is the effect they are having - this girl was clearly not in any state to be making sound decisions and choices about anything, nor was anyone around her. She is not to blame. Drugs are to blame. "
Michael Welch wrote on Jul 19, 2008 12:14 PM:
" I'd just like to add that I note the 'tenor' of remarks here has become more reflective, less emotional and more perceptive. These things as they say 'don't happen in a vacuum' and when they do it behooves a community to examine itself as well -- not in order to condemn itself but to see if it can 'do better,' help out, reach out hmmm... "
jjp wrote on Jul 19, 2008 12:03 PM:
" I'm not going to comment on this story, it's all been said here. I have to comment on this nwo person. Every time he/she posts, it really flames things up. Maybe that's their intention. Otherwise nwo is one screwed up nut. He knocked a local business for rebuilding after a fire. He's an admitted deadbeat dad. What will he
b--tch about next? Ignore this fool. Go ahead,nwo if you want a battle of wits, you are short on ammo. "
genetixgirl wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:56 AM:
" i also wondered about the safe haven law but she may not have known about it. (remember, even after years of education and hype, there are still people who don't know that you can get AIDS by having unprotected sex!)
i just wondered if the earlier angry posters REALLY think that indra delivered her baby, breastfed it for a bit, fell asleep with it, and then thought, i think i will kill this thing now.
she was more likely trying to figure out what to do. normally when a hormonal and new mom is doubting her ability to care for a newborn she can talk to someone. if indra did not, she probably thought this was all she could do. and she was wrong. and she needs to accept responsibility for that and face punishment because of it.
finally, where is indra's mother????? "
Mack wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:53 AM:
" A lot of people are not capable of meeting their own needs let alone take on their own child delivery and care. This is a sad, heart breaking story for the 19 year old too. It sounds like she may have very well done her best. Even sadder are the MEAN and HATEFUL remarks on this blog. Some people are so simple they think they can play GOD. Some of you even supported blowing Iraqi babies to bits so that we could bring American style 'democracy' to Iraq. "
Let's take a moment wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:33 AM:
" Don't get me wrong, I feel that she did a horrible thing and should deal with her consequences. I can also see where someone like N.W.O. could want give her some sympathy, because of this situation; a "scared young mother". If all of the outcomes were the same, but the circumstances were different, would we even be talking about it? If she ran a baby over and then left because she was sacred and didn't know what to do & the child died, would we even be wondering if she should be punished? I also have a hard time believing that she couldn't find help. There is a safe haven law in Wisconsin. What I understand, you can bring a child to any police station, hospital, or fire station up to 72 hours after the baby is born with no questions asked and can remain anonymous. "
Michael Welch wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:24 AM:
" This bizarre horror story has all the Jerry Springerish elements that attract righteous indignation, sputtering rage and blanket condemnation of a person who seems already pathetic and socially clueless. Her 'punishment' in the most acute sense is to be herself, i. e. someone with no real circle of intimacy, no one to confide in (but the hapless boyfriend in a very limited way), no family and friends to go to for advice or guidance. I do believe however that if she had lived in Canada with its single payer national health care her baby would indeed be alive today but that's immaterial now. This 'woman'-girl is mainly the social 'product' of a society that regularly 'forgets' and ignores 'the least of these' and then roars when they behave as if nothing matters, and especially THEY don't matter... "
genetixgirl wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:37 AM:
" i am certain that every poster who made a comment here did something STUPID as a teenager. this woman's stupid led to a pregnancy. most pregnant teens (i was a pregnant teen as well) do not let their baby die. although i completely know what she was feeling and why letting the baby die made "sense" to her, i still think she should be punished for her crime. however, i am saddened that this mother-to-be had no friends or family to support her except what sounds like after the fact, the young man who helped her dispose of the body. what a mess. "
sadly true wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:34 AM:
" Sad part may be that she could get off from this because they have no body, no proof that she even had a baby. Nothing to show that she even had a baby. Just a tip from crime stoppers. "
nana3 wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:33 AM:
" re:nwo, becoming pregnant at 12,13, 14, 15 is a young age. You did not kill your newborn, did you? Look up fetus in the dictionary.
Abortion clinics in WI do abortions through the 5th month, I think she was turned away because she was further along. Is she also claiming the baby was premature? "
happymom wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:26 AM:
" This babe is in need of an immediate, court-ordered tubal ligation and a good, long trip to the big house. "
love lax wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:55 AM:
" NWO, You need to go back to grade school for another dose of sex. ed. Look up the word fetus. It is not synonymous with infant. You, are a wack job. "
wisconsingal wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Twilite; for what it's worth, I completely 100% agree with your comments. NWO must be insane to make the comments that he/she made. This 19 year old needs to be accountable for what she did, and to me, she should sit and rot for the rest of her life....period. This is unexcusable, unthinkable behavior and should be punished as such. "
Twilite wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:31 AM:
" To the moderate: And what about my "take" is so absurd? Let's all hope new world order doesn't get called for jury duty...he needs to be in a psych unit it sounds like. "
MOM OF 1 wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:18 AM:
" I certainly feel for the baby. To have your own mother let you die. I feel for the mother. She will have to live with the fact that she killed an innocent baby. Should she be punished? Absolutely. There is no excuse for what she did. I do not believe that the adoption agencies turned her away "because there was no record of her pregnancy or prenatal care". If she tried to get help, some one would have helped her. She does need help. But she also needs to pay for taking a life. People need to take responsibility for their actions and quit passing the buck and blaming some one else. She needs to take responsibility and pay the consequences for her actions. But she also needs care herself. Maybe in prison, she can get that care. I hope so. She should NEVER be allowed to have another child. "
wisconsingal wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:02 AM:
" NWO; think about what the defendant is going through? How about thinking of an innocent baby who is crying trying to tell her mother that she needs milk. How about the pain that baby felt as she was dying, her organs shutting down from dehydration? How about the fact that she was put in a cooler (by her "mother") like a 6 pack of beer, only to be thrown out in the garbage. THAT is what I think of when I read a pathetic story like this. NO>>>>>I REFUSE to "get used to it" as you put it. These people need to be accountable for their actions, somebody has to be an advocate for these poor defenseless children that die at the hands of their parents every day. You said it in your comment....you ARE insane. A sane person wouldn't have your view on this subject. "
Chip wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:00 AM:
" Adoption agencies turned her away? I hope they get to the bottom of that statement. Sounds like she did try to seek help, but was turned away. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:58 AM:
" I still think she let the baby die to avoid getting busted for delivering an addicted child one look at her tells the story!
What a selfish P.O.S.Good thing Im not the administrator of justice because I would feed her to the Gators! "
davidinlse wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:01 AM:
" RE: new world order wrote on Jul 19, 2008 2:21 AM: "get used to it".??? How pathetic. "
Cards wrote on Jul 19, 2008 7:59 AM:
" new world order: sounds like you are not a responsible person, having children is a blessing and it is tough,and I have childern so I also know, but it wasn't so tough to create one???? Wow,you shouldn't have messed around or used contraception which is readily available. There is NO excuse for what this person did to her child, and I don't feel sorry for you either! "
Jaxx wrote on Jul 19, 2008 7:16 AM:
" Wow... I don't think that it is possible to say that Ms. Books was insane while she starving her child to DEATH. She thought out her crime, seemingly clearly and rationally, rather. She hid her pregnancy, and refused pre-natal care, which seems to show that she was thinking about her actions. "
The Moderate wrote on Jul 19, 2008 6:41 AM:
" Let's all hope that twilight NEVER gets called for Jury Duty. It is understanable that some people feel sorry for the defendant, but that "take" is absurd. "
2centsworth wrote on Jul 19, 2008 5:42 AM:
" "almost a FETUS??" are you kidding me? this was a human being!! A small helpless baby, that did not ask to be brought into this world. I agree the hospital would not have turned her away. She needs to be held accountable for this baby that she decided needed to die of starvation. "
Slayers Baby Girl wrote on Jul 19, 2008 4:03 AM:
" I am a mother of a 12 year old, I was 20. I have NO sympathy for her. Young woman have babies everyday, they don't all kill there babies. There are many places she could have taken that baby and they would have found a good home for her. I think they should put this girl in jail and starve her like she did her baby. Let her know how that poor baby felt. "
new world order wrote on Jul 19, 2008 2:21 AM:
" No. Period. Not life in prison. (like Twilite says should happen) This was a newborn (almost a fetus) born to a young mother...I became a father 22 years ago at age 18. Anyone can go insane when they become a parent at a young age. I did...This girl will hopefully plea bargin, or at the very least, be given a sentence of probation. I have sympathy for her and not what she's accused of....This type of thing happens more often than what we hear about. Get used to it. Please, think about the suspect and what she is going through! "
Twilite wrote on Jul 19, 2008 12:18 AM:
" #1 - No health insurance? A hospital cannot turn anyone away. And I'm sure she would have been eligible for Medicaid.
#2 - There are two hospitals, some fire stations, a police station that will take a newborn with no questions asked. You can even call 911 and they will come pick it up. Or even just put it outside a business or something - anything is better than killing it.
#3 - People that are defending her are saying that she's "mentally ill" but really - she understood what was happening, she says so herself. If she knew enough to hide the baby in the cooler, she knew that what she was doing was heinous. LIFE in prison "