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F1vre signs papers, but stays away from camp


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GREEN BAY — Brett Favre didn't show up at the Green Bay Packers' first day of training camp Sunday, but the iconic quarterback did sign his much-talked-about letter of reinstatement and his return to the NFL is on hold only temporarily.

And if the Packers don't trade him in the next day or two, Favre apparently plans on showing up at camp and competing with new starter Aaron Rodgers for the starting job - even though he claims general manager Ted Thompson has told him he can't.
In separate interviews with Sports Illustrated's Peter King and ESPN's Chris Mortensen, Favre told his two longtime favorite reporters that Thompson asked him not to show up at St. Norbert College in De Pere with the rest of the team and that Thompson doesn't want him competing with Rodgers.

Favre also said that while his reinstatement paperwork is ready to go, he might not send it to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's office until today or Tuesday.

''I asked Ted (Saturday), 'Am I welcome in the building if I report?' and Ted was just about shattered,'' Favre told Mortensen in a telephone interview Sunday. ''He said, 'Brett, you can't do that - you'll get me fired.' I told him I'm not trying to get anybody fired. So Ted asked me to let the guys report and let's try to resolve this over the next two or three days.''

Out of what he says is respect for Thompson's wishes, Favre didn't fax to the league office the letter he has signed to request his reinstatement on Saturday, even though Favre's wife, Deanna, and his agent, James ''Bus'' Cook, urged him to do so.

''Deanna, Bus, everyone here (in Mississippi) says, 'You're so stupid, letting (the Packers) play you like this,' '' Favre said. ''They want me to get in there now. I may wait until Tuesday or so.''

As for the idea of competing with Rodgers for the Packers' starting job, Favre told Mortensen, ''I said, 'Let me compete, you'll know I'll win this job.' And Ted said again, 'Brett, things have changed. Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback.' It's pretty clear - and this is what I told the commissioner - that they want me to go away, stay retired.

''They would much rather see me in a Packers' uniform, paying me $12 million to be a backup - which you know they really don't want - rather than see in another uniform, no matter what they say. They'll drag this out, asking a king's ransom (in a trade), hoping it all goes away.''

Packers spokesman Jeff Blumb said Sunday night that the team would defer comment until Thompson's regularly scheduled 1 p.m. news conference today. Thompson does such conferences every week during training camp.

The Packers went through their Sunday schedule - their 7:30 team meeting, physicals and a team running test in the morning, administrative meetings in the afternoon - without Favre.

In his interview with King, done Saturday night in person at Favre's home in suburban Hattiesburg, Miss., Favre was considerably less hostile-sounding than he was in Mortensen's interview.

''I had planned on reporting for the start of Packers training camp Sunday, but Ted Thompson asked if I would give him a couple of days to try to get the situation resolved. I agreed to do that,'' Favre told King. ''I don't want to be a distraction to the Packers, and I hope in the next few days we can come to an agreement that would allow me to continue playing football.''

Where is Favre headed?

According to sources, the Packers have given permission to the New York Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers to talk to Favre. Mortensen reported Sunday that the Jets have had conversations with Cook but have not talked to Favre.

The Tampa Tribune reported Sunday that the Packers and Buccaneers were close to an agreement on trade compensation but that the agreement fell apart Saturday because the Packers are demanding a conditional draft pick that would become a first-round selection based either on Favre's performance or his new team gaining a berth in the playoffs.

Favre told King he would consider a trade to any team, but was noncommittal about going to either the Jets or Buccaneers.

According to what Favre told Mortensen, Thompson asked him if he was interested in a trade. Favre said he told Thompson, ''Yeah, but not just to the teams you want me to go to.''

Asked about Goodell's involvement in the controversy, Favre said he has spoken to Goodell twice, most recently on Saturday.

''Roger is willing to help, but he has to be careful,'' Favre told Mortensen. ''I told him I could easily send in this letter (of reinstatement) but they really don't want me there and it'll be a big circus. They play this both ways. Privately, they don't want me there. Publicly, if I sent in the letter but didn't show up right away, they could always fine me or say, 'See, why isn't he here? He really doesn't want to play.' Give me my release and see if I want to play or not.''

The tampering charge

In both interviews, Favre denied that the Minnesota Vikings - believed to be his preferred team to play for, though he hasn't publicly admitted so - had tampered with him as he considered a comeback. Favre admitted, though, in both interviews that he talked to Vikings coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell.

But, he said, he talks to both men regularly and text-messages them often, as well as other NFL coaches both during the season and in the offseason.

Bevell, the Packers' quarterbacks from 2003 through '05, is a good friend of Favre's, while Favre claimed he and Childress spent a lot of time in Green Bay studying the Packers' offense as a University of Wisconsin assistant in the 1990s.

Favre said he was interviewed last week by the NFL's vice president of security, Milt Ahlerich, about the tampering accusation.

''I have no qualms about admitting I talked to them,'' Favre told King. ''Talking with Milt, he said, 'Brett, did they entice you?' I said no, 'I don't need to be enticed anywhere.' They absolutely did not entice me to come to Minnesota.''

In his interview with Mortensen, Favre said, ''I have never denied talking to Childress. I've known (Childress) for about 12 years going back to when he and Jay Norvell were assistants at Wisconsin and they used to come in and sit in our quarterback meetings. And then Brad went to Philadelphia to be with (former Packers assistant and Eagles head coach) Andy Reid and - (as) you know, Andy and I are big buddies - so the relations continued.

''Like I told Milt and like I told the commissioner, I've spoken to Childress. I've spoken to Darrell Bevell. I've spoken to Andy Reid. I've spoken to (former Packers coach) Mike Sherman, (Detroit Lions president) Matt Millen, (NFL Network commentator and ex-NFL coach) Steve Mariucci ... I've spoken to a lot of guys who are my friends and guys who have coached me, either talked to them or left messages.''

Favre told Mortensen that his communications with many of those coaches, including Childress, were to ask them if they thought he should change his mind about retirement.

''I called them and asked them, 'Am I crazy? Am I wrong for pushing this? Can I still play the game? Should I let it die?,''' Favre said. ''I mean, I think you know what the answer is. I can still play. I said it when I retired (in March). Now I've had a change of heart about playing but I've always known I can still play.''

As for the tampering charge, Favre said, ''I told Milt and Roger Goodell that if talking to teams is tampering, then there's about seven to 10 teams that are guilty of tampering. But Brad isn't going to try to entice me because he knows that even if he wanted me to play there, it's not going to happen. The Packers aren't going to let that happen.

''So Brad and I, yeah, we talk and we exchange text messages. The Packers know that. After we beat them last year, Brad sent me a text message, teasing me how a gray-haired quarterback could still play. And the Packers were aware of that because I shared a laugh with 'em about that.''

Meanwhile, Favre adamantly denied reports that the Packers had evidence of his communications with Childress because they had the phone records from Favre's team-issued cell phone.

A league source reiterated to the State Journal last week that while it's unclear whether Favre or the Packers paid the monthly bill for the phone, the team did have access to the records because Favre did get the phone through the team.

Under earlier coach and GM regimes, players were able to get cell phones through the league. Numbers were often structured with their uniform number included in them. Thompson said last week that the practice has since been discontinued.

''That's just bogus. I don't have a Packers' cell phone. Never have,'' Favre told Mortensen. ''I told Ted (on Thursday) that he and (coach Mike) McCarthy needed to clear up this cell phone thing. I told him they needed to get in front of the media and admit that I don't have one of their cell phones. And Ted said, 'Well, I think somebody already squashed that (story).' But that isn't enough. They need to get up and admit it's ridiculous and bogus.''
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PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 4:04 PM:

" slinger: the WORST part of the Harrell in the first round debacle is that Thompson was SO SURE that Harrell was his man that he let a GREAT Talent in Corey Williams go to Cleveland just to prove it. Interesting how Favre gets so much criticism for being the gambler, yet LOOK at who is controlling the team: Thompson is using draft picks and trades like an addict with pull tabs. One of the few things I have agreed with you on.... "

slinger1919 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:14 PM:

" Drafting Justin Harrel is going to be the biggest first round bust for the Pack for a few years! Hard to say if Rogers is injury prone or not but compared to Harrel he's tough as nails!!! "

slinger1919 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:53 PM:

" I hate to admit it but if we beat the Giants the Patriots would've ate us alive mostly because Tom Brady would've had plenty of time to throw the ball because we would rush 4-5 guys sending the rest in coverage...but you can't cover a guy forever and eventually they will get open. I think the Packers have to change their defensive schemes! "

slinger1919 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:50 PM:

" One thing the Packers and many people are overlooking I think is there defense. Sure they did ok to good but is that good enough? Look at what Chicago has done with a great defense and no quarterback for the most part. Look at what NY Giants have done with a good quarterback but a great Defense. NY Giants sure made Tom Brady look average at best and that all boils down to a PASS RUSH. The Packers only believe in rushing a few people and zone Blitz's from the linebacker position from the most part. It still takes those linebackers 3-4 steps just to get to the line of scrimmage giving the other quarterback more time to get rid of the ball. "

nolibs wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:46 PM:

" Free--Ok lets say the packers did move ahead with thier drafting, planning, ect... What would the case be if Brahm Beat out Rogers for the starting job during camp. No different, then if Brett came back to win the job. I just don't buy the whole "we have moved on" bit. The Sad part of this is, TT KNOWS that Every game for the next 80 years is sold out no matter what type of team they put on the field..... "

slinger1919 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:41 PM:

" Hey there PackAttack2020,

Again you're assuming...I never said I was the "true definition of a Packer fan" or I never said that Ted Thompson was "the true victim here". You're reading too much into this. No one has a crystal ball and it would be nice in this extremely unusual set of circumstances to see what the best decision is. I am guessing the Packers moved ahead in their drafting, game plans, etc., since Farve supposingly retired and feel like continuing to do so. If Farve played any other position it would be much easier to bring back a player but since your whole offensive scheme revolves around the quarterback it makes it much more difficult to plug a player back in. "

nolibs wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:26 PM:

" I'll make a prediction here:

Brett Reports to camp, and starts the season as Rogers Back-up. The Packers Start 0-4, and all of these "it's time to move on" "fans" will be screaming at their T.V's wanting Brett in the Game. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:06 PM:

" slinger - I may not meet YOUR odd definition of a True Packer Fan, but I think you would have a VERY tough time convincing ANYONE who knows me of that: tough sell there buddy. I would venture to say that "free"s definition most defines people like you...that's too bad because I believe you are a Packer fan...but stop and look at the situation with a critical eye...look at who benefits the most and what is motivating each individual: Favre is motivated by football...Thompson is power hungry. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:55 PM:

" slinger: If you REALLY believe that TED THOMPSON is the victim here, then youre a small thinker, and that's fine if youre comfortable with that. Ask yourself Slinger: why DID Thompson "fail" to have Favre's retirement papers signed and completed BEFORE his press conference? Let's look at the benefit to Thompson: he was able to "officially/unofficially" retire Favre and move his own guy in there; he controls Favre's destination preventing Favre from beating an Aaron Rodgers led team within the division. Had Favre OFFICIALLY RETIRED, he would now be free to sign with the Vikings or Bears when he changed his mind, as Thompson undoubtedly believed he would. Who REALLY put the Packers into this situation? Slinger, any questions? "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM:

" "slinger" - So what you're saying is that YOU define what a Packer fan is: good for you in your dream world, and I am the CEO of MY worldwide headquarters too. Funny, but MOST Packer fans are extremely loyal: I would think that if anyone deserved fan loyalty it would be Brett Favre. "

nolibs wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM:

" http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8097dce2&template=with-video&confirm=true

might want a little salt or pepper with your Crow Pack..... "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:45 PM:

" "free" - provide a link to your "quote", because I find it hard to believe that the NFL would post that type of thing on its own site. I would be curious to compare what you have as a quote to what is actually on their site...in other words: PROVE IT. "

nolibs wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:41 PM:

" The average length of an Average NFL player???? Who cares.

We aren't discussing an Average player here. Why do you think the Packers won't give him an outright release? They are afraid that he may catch on with a team in the division and propel them to the playoffs. They know Brett can still play, and have mishandled the situation wrong from the beginning and are trying to cover their collective As$es.

If you can explain to me why Brett coming back to COMPETE FOR(not have) the starting job, is a bad thing, i might start to listen. A TRUE FAN, wants whats best for thier team, and Whats best for the Packers is to put the BEST players on the field come opening day. If this is achieved thru players competeing for thier jobs then so be it. "

free_speech wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:18 PM:

" That is the definition of a true packer fan. A blind, mindless lemming waiting to follow TT of the cliff. Completely incapable of thinking for himself. Morons. "

slinger1919 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Also there free-speech(less),

I don't know if you noticed but football is also a business. I bet you lost sleep when Miami got rid of Jason Taylor...which is not different than the washed up players you mentioned in your jiberish. People don't stay young forever and players move on...do you know what the average career length of an NFL player is??? "

slinger1919 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:11 PM:

" Hey PackAttack2020 and others,

Are you getting "a true Packer fan" mixed up with "a true Farve fan". A true Packer fan follows and sticks to their team through thick and thin. Doesn't always have to agree with their decisions but is there for them regardless. I do think many of you are getting these two phrases confused!!! "

nolibs wrote on Jul 29, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Thompson needs to GO!!! Plain and simple. The guy is a MORON! Why would it not be in the best Interest of the team to allow arguably one of the best of all time to comeback and compete for his job???? Do you think this would happen if Peyton Manning Annouced his retirement then decided he would like to come back??? VERY doubtful. I'm pretty sure the Lions would have taken Barry Sanders back also had he decided to Un-retire. If Farve reporting to camp means TT gets the axe, I would Drive Brett there myself!!!! "

free_speech wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:48 AM:

" It was a simple quote from NFL.COM bashing the history of stupidity and inhuname treatment of players in Green Bay. Didn't take long to find at all. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:43 PM:

" "free" - wow...youre going back a LONG way to find ALL of that...interestingly "free", the Packers, just a couple of years ago were on a list of the BEST SPORTs FRANCHISES...at the TOP...I know...hard for you to imagine as a vikes fan....(ie: MT Trophy Case)...but in the most recent rankings, Thompson has allowed them to plummet. BASEBALL, hey, I live in a "neighboring state" and it is AMAZING to see the difference between WISCONSIN fans in general compared to other states....we stay to watch the WHOLE game...who cares about the traffic, OUR TEAM NEEDS OUR SUPPORT! Keep representing in CO Baseballer! "

Baseballer2534 wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:24 PM:

" PackAttack- It is nice to see some true Packer fans are still out there. I listen to satelite radio all the time, you should here these morons calling in. I live in Colorado now, I am from WI, and I had thought that Packer fans were different. I always ripped on Bronco fans for how they treated the Broncos. Now I am finding myself defending Packer fans. It sucks!!! "

free_speech wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:00 PM:

" The Packers have a long history of treating their players like crap that pre-dates TT. Favre isn't the first Packers great to be pushed out the door. Hall of Famer Paul Hornung, team leader and most valuable player of the Packers' first two championship teams under Lombardi, was dumped in an expansion draft. The legendary Ray Nitschke was benched and essentially shamed into retirement. Hall of Fame tailback and Green Bay native Arnie Herber was waived at the age of 31 during the final week of training camp in 1941, when he was just a season removed from leading the Packers to an NFL title. Just a half a$$ed organization. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:42 AM:

" hold on Baseballer: not ALL Packer fans are that way, in fact, I would say the majority that I talk with are all for getting rid of Thompson. Did you see what he did with Grant? Thompson's disregard for the PEOPLE playing the game will kill him in this league. He doesn't care about the relationships: you find it interesting that MANY other coaches and team leaders answered Favre's calls and texts, yet Thompson told him to call him LATER because he was on vacation? Thompson is going to wreck this team. Baseball...there are TRUE Packer Fans....many. "

Baseballer2534 wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:29 AM:

" I agree, it makes me sick on how the Packer organization is dealing with this. It is actually making me not want to be a Packer fan. I am also getting sick of these so called Packer fans saying get rid of Favre, it's Rodgers time. I thought Packer fans were different. I was wrong!!! "

free_speech wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Who would want to play for these back stabbing double talking green bay packers? I am on the edge of my seat waiting to see how this plays out. "


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