oldglorydays wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:53 PM:
" Well one reason there is a disparity in assessments Nestor is Wedgewood is in Shelby and not La Crosse. Another is the lot sizes are much bigger because it is hilly terrain. A third is the homes are 80-100 years newer. Of course most of the homes up there are also much larger. And none of Wedgewood is in a floodplain. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 24, 2008 12:51 PM:
" Read your last reply Ms. Bannana. Now explain to me the 'huge' disparity in assessed value of square footage cost in Wedgewood let's say, and the Northside y9ou alluded to? Waiting patiently. "
Theguy wrote on Aug 23, 2008 11:25 PM:
" They are not telling the whole story. The new jail will only have 5 beds for women. The current jail has 39. The county is opening themselves up for a sexual discrimination lawsuit. What happens when a man and a woman come in on the same charge and the woman gets to go to the "house"? The guy sits in jail. This is gender bias! HELLO LAWSUIT! Get ready to pay more taxes so Jane Klekamp camp run this program. She is not saving money or helping anyone, she is lining her own pockets! "
Anna Banana wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:41 PM:
" ah ha - someone got my point. Kettle -m pot exactly. I apologize as I did not mean to insult any more than the folks who were spewing the insulting comments about the women being held here and their friends and family members who might be coming to the neighborhood to visit. NOrthsiders are great people and for the most part care about the same things I do........just as do the people who would be coming to visit these women. To assert that drug dealers will now be more prone to visit this neighborhood than they now do is just silly and fear mongering. Look around people - drug users and dealers are everywhere right now. They are your friends, neighbors and yes family members. You may try to deny it - but it is the truth. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 23, 2008 10:12 AM:
" Ms/ Banana- Please go down and pull the records at the assessors office. Then look/pull at a home in each area. Then tell me what the assessor tallied for each sq foot of that house. Then let me know after your omniscient post what you find. "white trash" comment? seems a little out of your style. These are Northsiders, they are treated like Northsiders, and always will be. For Goodness sake they do not even warrant being represented by a Councilman. "
clearingsky wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:05 PM:
" Hello pot,meet kettle! "
clearingsky wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:59 PM:
" And what are you Annab.with your name calling and insults. "
Anna Banana wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:22 PM:
" Oh I am sure they listened but if your posts are any indication of the intelligence or attitude of your comments, no one would be surprised if they did not pay attention. Grow up and stop whining, if anything you are just convincing everyone that you are poor losers and white trash. "
SRP wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:03 PM:
" Zimmy - Yes, we did go to these meetings. In fact the first meeting the majority of the neighbors in the 300sq ft radius that were notified were there except for the elderly who were unable to come because of health and the parents who work different shifts. We opposed it hands down. but the County said it's about the MONEY! So we walked away feeling upset/angry and they'll slide this through. The second meeting was a repeat, even with a petition with signatures in the area, but only two minutes to talk-we do have jobs so not all of us can go! and walked away feeling "they don't want to listen to us" Why go last night when the same thing would happen. They are only thinking about their jobs and what they need to do and not the families and children. "
clearingsky wrote on Aug 22, 2008 8:08 PM:
" Zimmy-"hard to vote for something that dozens of citizens spoke out against".C'mon Zimmy we saw it happen right before our very eyes and ears at the 8/12 committee meeting.These people gave us 2 minutes and used a crummy food timer to keep us on time.They let us speak but they sure were not listening.You sound like one of Steve Doyles' little cronies.This committee said to hell with you,we'll do as we please.....because we can. "
russo73 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 6:50 PM:
" Hey Zimmy,
Let me tell you something you schmuck, I was there for two of the damn meetings and told them how I felt. You really think telling these people again would help. I stayed away because I left the last meeting so mad I was cursing all down the hallway. You really think I would hold my tounge last night? Don't tell me I didn't do enough...You got some damn nerve! "
common-cents wrote on Aug 22, 2008 6:07 PM:
" Can Darrel Dickinson stay in the house for his 3 day sentence.....LOL. "
zimmy611 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 6:06 PM:
" I hope that everyone posting negative comments regarding the boards decision was present, and vocal at the meeting the other night! Hard to vote for a plan that is so strongly contested by dozens of protesting citizens. If you were not there, then you have no voice on this issue. Looks like complaining on the web hasnt gotten you very far. Maybe more work, but more effective to show up in person. "
russo73 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 6:03 PM:
" Re: antieverything
Actually, spoken like someone who is fed up with how things are run in this town. I'm not from here, I don't sit back and let folks push me around without having my say. Truth is, if more people got pissed off enough, we'd actually make some changes in this town, good ones. But until then, enjoy my outrage! "
SRP wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:51 PM:
" Steve Doyle states "If they even make just one mistake, they'll be back in Jail". One mistake is way too many - That's why they are in jail to begin with. That one mistake could be a child missing or a child approached by one of their friends trying to sell drugs. At what point then will they decide that this is a bad idea. I know when it's too late! "
SRP wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:47 PM:
" Bottom line is this. Mayor Johnsrud's Mom still lives where the Cameron AVE home is and that is why it did not get far at all. We don't have a Mayor's Mom living on the North End of town. Hurray for Doyle and to Hell with what the neighbors feel and their anxieties, as well as their children - Who cares about them. They only care about what's best for the inmates when they committed a crime and how they can help them from reoffending. "
antieverything wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:28 PM:
" Russo, Spoken like a true NorthSider! Hip Hip hooray. "
russo73 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:24 PM:
" Coming from Ny, I have a strong urge to do things the way I was raised and call my family's attorney from NYC. See what these people do when a big shot loud mouth bulldozer of a laywer with the last name of Cohen or Goldstein comes calling. LOL, they'll wet their pants quicker than a newborn! "
russo73 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:20 PM:
" It just blows my mind how these people have ignored that fact. We of the neighborhood should do the same and ignore them, forbid this from coming in. Doyle and his group can kiss my crack. I have had it! You don't get to do whatever you damn well please. Sorry, but enough is enough! I'll tell you what, phone numbers were promiced if this does go in, and steve and a few others ARE going to coff up those digits. He has no idea what a headache really is. "
russo73 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:14 PM:
" The simple fact is this, No one cares what you people think! I do not care about your opinion at all. The only ones who should have any right to say anything about this is the people of this neighborhood. I do and I can tell you that I am so mad I could spit! Who the hell does this board think it is? We of the community have said no. To hell with anyone who says otherwise. The only thing that should matter here is that point. "
wizard wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:09 PM:
" Put energy efficient red light bulbs in all the windows too. The Doyles can add the profits to the hundreds of thousands they make off LaCrosse Co. "
antieverything wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:51 PM:
" NAnnigirl... You know oddly, Lax County doesnt hold people long anyhow. Low bails, short sentences... "
clearingsky wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:40 PM:
" You can't have it both ways annab.One of Steve Doyles' selling points of this program is that if the women returned to their homes,they would be subjected to abuse from their battering,drug dealing boyfriends and end up right back in jail. "
lax8751 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:28 PM:
" Myturn- Thanks! "
Anna Banana wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:17 PM:
" You might be surprised how "normal" the visitors are that come to see their family members involved in this program. Come on - everyone knows this was just a scare tactic. Research shows that most people are incarcerated because of drug and alcohol problems and for the most part they are normal people from normal families and I suspect this will be the case with the women involved here. While jail is meant as a punishment for offenders it is also an opportunity to rehabilitiate the people who are surely going to come into our community in the near future. If they don't intergrate well in this setting their chances of making it in your neighborhood are worse. Punishment balanced with compassion is the answer. "
Anna Banana wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:09 PM:
" Myturn........tisk tisk tisk. There are several reasons they will not build in Waterford, Wedgewood or other affluent neighborhoods. First because La Crosse does not allow more than 5 unrelated adults living in single family houses in the City and I don't recall any multi family homes in the nieghborhoods you have cited. Secondly the cost of the homes in those neighborhoods are probably double than the cost of the home where they have looked and if they chose to purchase one of those more expensive homes I could just hear you screaming at the top of your lungs how criminals were being coddled by the county. If you can't be right could you just try to be consistent about an issue. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:59 PM:
" lax8751- Great posts "
sickofpoliticians wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:44 PM:
" To My Turn: Knock off the North Side/South Side BS. The so-called Southside people you refer to are people who live in a more culturally diverse neighborhood than you and with 10 transitional houses already near their schools. They are also the same people who showed up to in more numbers to the board meeting where they were voting on the Kane St project and told them they were idiots for putting a project like this near schools no matter what area of town they choose. They were supporting you not fighting you. I wish you could say the same. "
lax8751 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:28 PM:
" Nanigirl: Thankfully, I don't have first hand knowledge of the jails. I'm not so sure that I agree that society must be protected from the male population. I'm certain the majority of the men are in for nonviolent, relatively victim less crimes- just like the women. It seems that while a woman will reside in a house with greater comforts, the male population will occupy a much more draconian "residence" for the same crime. I also recall a board member commenting a while ago that "women wouldn't be in jail if it were not for the influence of men". The bias doesn't get any more apparent than demonstrated by this this remark. "
Sully wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:41 PM:
" If they are so non violent, and well behaved perhaps the county can start a program to pay individual citizens to house them. Any of you who are for this should call and volunteer. "
nanigrrl7 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 1:44 PM:
" Lax8751- They are able to place women in these sorts of programs because the crimes committed by women are almost unanimously non-violent. That cannot be said of men, who often times are locked up to prevent them from hurting others. In addition, if you consider the condition of the women's jail you would not state that the women are being treated better than the men. The men got a nice new jail years ago and the women were moved into the old men's jail which has absolutely abhorrent conditions. This is a necessary move until the new jail is completed. "
clearingsky wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:40 PM:
" Steve Doyle wins,we lose.
Hampson,Klekamp and co. win,hard working,tax paying,law abiding residents lose.
Women's jail population and their "friends" win,neighborhood children and students lose.
Make no mistake about it,the children who live near this home are very aware and fearful of this plan.
Steve Doyle wins,the residents of the City of La Crosse lose. "
lax8751 wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:29 PM:
" Having lived on the So and No side, I prefer the more friendly and down down to earth No siders. I still wonder why the women are apparently treated better than the men-I guess this is one "glass ceiling" women in Lax have managed to break. "
Km wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:53 AM:
" Whatever happened to the abused women who were supposed to use these two homes? "
Myturn wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:45 AM:
" "They will most likely be more behaved then the rest of the neighborhood"? Of course because we are just Northsiders? We don't even deserve a Councilman! Go to the Internet and look up the registered sexual offenders in Lacrosse. Then get back to me. Here is what I would like to see. A mentoring program implemented for these people. Volunteers made up from the County board, TIF recipients, and City Council inviting these people and other struggling people in their homes. For dinner, talk, sharing, etc. I do it all the time, and purposely. Have for 21 years now. Without a criminal record whatsoever. It works, 'sometimes'. But it is hard to do it on a one on one basis. "
mby wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:18 AM:
" Let's be realistic that the board members are only human just as us "normal" folks. No one gets everything 100% right the first time. I think they have a good idea, however, needs alot of tweaking. And these women are not sex offenders, not violent people they are most likely in there because they wrote bad checks, had too much pot on them, they are monitored all day every day with staff on site. They will most likely be more behaved then the rest of the neighborhood. "
unpolitical_correctness wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:01 AM:
" 4 Blocks from Logan Middle, 4 Blocks from Logan High, 3 Blocks from St. Pauls, 4 Blocks from Franklin Elementary. Gee, do you see a problem? I do, it's like having the halfway house for sex offenders 1/2 block from Jefferson school on Rose St. I think there should be some explaination as to why these places are going near schools!!! "
Mack wrote on Aug 22, 2008 8:39 AM:
" This is a low risk, hi payback project. Some of are seem to be more comfortable keeping all of our incarcerations hidden. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:47 AM:
" Here is the truth. Those of us on the Northside have stunted housing values, residents who are educated less, make less in income, pay less in taxes. and less apt to be less politically active and involved in our neighborhoods. So why was this placed in our end of town, 'because they can'! And the people of the Cameron Avenue area just stood up in larger numbers and with bigger voices. After all a good number of you people on the Northside do not even have a Councilman. "
Myturn wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:28 AM:
" I look forward to the next 'house' smililar to this in Wedgewod, Waterford, or on Janice Court. Oh Yeah, that's going to help. "
dbl lung wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:23 AM:
" You people can not believe I good I feel not to be living in that area anymore. If I still lived in the area I would be calling on the county board instead of the police when I had a problem. The police department does not need anymore headaches then they already have in this town. "
tax-me-more wrote on Aug 22, 2008 6:54 AM:
" Again, POOR REPORTING by the paper. How did they vote? Who voted YES, Who voted NO? "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:53 AM:
" While Supervisor Jim Berns praised the concept and said the county has to have a successful program, he pressed the board to wait until the right location is found.
If we find one location that is permanent and ideal, that will save us a lot of headaches and problems in the interim, Berns said. I see no compelling reason to support this right now, because I think (county staff) is going to find the ideal location soon.
Let me translate. LETS DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND SAVE MONEY! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:50 AM:
" "Under the proposed plan, the county would spend about $874 a month on rent and utilities at the buildings"
The city is still going down the landlord, developer road this time earning 874.00 a month from the county for a temporary facility!
"Doyle countered a temporary facility is needed to make sure the program is done rightEvery time you start a new program, you learn things by doing it, Doyle said. I think over the course of the year, well find how the permanent facility should look and how it should be run, so when we have the permanent facility it is well planned out."
let me translate THEY DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING! "
Krusty wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:11 AM:
" I hope people remember this when it comes time to vote for county board members "
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