Caution tape blew in the wind Wednesday, signaling the approach of Oktoberfest and an ongoing clash between parade diehards and city officials.

The tape, spread across Copeland Park, road medians and public boulevards, is used by many enthusiasts to reserve spots for Saturday’s Maple Leaf Parade, expected to draw about 100,000 people.

But the tape is a no-no, and just one example of pre-Oktoberfest behavior city officials are trying to prevent in the days leading up to the fest.

“There’s clearly violations occurring already,” said Robert Haines, La Crosse’s assistant public works director.

Starting today, city staff will patrol the route to remove lawn chairs and other obstructions if they are within the city’s right-of-way.

“If it’s unattended, the city might take it,” Haines said. “It’s the same as debris.”

People waiting for the parade will be asked to leave. Law breakers risk forfeiting their property and can be fined $88.80 plus removal costs.

City staff will also tour the parks, said Jay Odegaard, La Crosse Parks and Recreation supervisor.

“We’ll be going through and just making sure there aren’t individuals ... in areas that they shouldn’t be,” Odegaard said. “That they’re not leaving things unattended.”

Parade rules depend on the department.

Most roads, sidewalks and boulevards are regulated by La Crosse public works, while Copeland Park and a few other spots along the parade route are governed by the parks department.

Until midnight before the parade, the city forbids any obstruction — including lawn chairs and other furniture — on sidewalks and boulevards.

“If it’s between the sidewalk and the street, then it’s surely in violation,” Haines said. “Behind the sidewalk, you’re probably OK.”

Except for parks, where the rules are slightly different.

The parks open at 6 a.m. and close at 10:30 p.m., and staying overnight isn’t allowed.

Parade goers can bring furniture to the park, but it can’t stay overnight, and it has to be packed away immediately after the parade.

Caution tape, signs and banners are forbidden, said Odegaard.

“Anything that would be hung up is not allowed,” Odegaard said.

Finding a good spot for the parade can be competitive, La Crosse resident Jane Binnebose said.

She and her husband have been coming to the parade since 1979. The couple staked out a section of the park Wednesday for about 40 to 50 extended family members, with plans to monitor the spot in rotating shifts.

“It’s a family event,” she said. “It’s something to look forward to year to year.”

(55) comments

filiadei

Perhaps we could model the parade on the Indy500 Festival Parade. The city of Indianapolis erects bleachers along most of the parade route and sells tickets to view the parade. There are some sections along the parade without bleachers.

PandaBear23
PandaBear23

To be honest to everyone who posted BS about the parade. I am not sorry if I offend you because you all need to grow up and remember to when you were little and liked going to the parade yea as you get older you might not enjoy it as much but your kids and grand kids will; yea sure it could be a major waste of time and energy but come on they are retired and doing a good thing for their family (FYI they are my grandparents) so pretty much if you find the parade boring sit at home on your hands and tell your kids or grand kids why you aren't going ever again. Have a great Oktoberfest.....

The Guy

I must have offended someone. My post was up and taken down right away. Go figure.

The Guy

The city has bigger issues to deal with. Why commit resources to battle something that isn't, and never has been a problem? The city council thinks that they know what's good for us. We are supposed to be like mice in a maze. Just follow the path that they tell us to. Now the city council doesn't want the public allowed in the meeting of the whole. And they want you to get 5 council member signatures and fill out an application just to speak at a committee meeting. Do these people know that they are supposed to represent what we want. Not what they think is good for us. I say we oust the whole city council and start over. I'd run in my ward!

CommonCents

The Parade's not worth waiting for anyway. How long does it last....18 or 19 hours? Seems like it goes on forever. I guess that's because of the 20 minute delays between the "floats" and the campaigning politicians.

spirit3

people have been warned for five plus years, what some called 'tradition' is and has been a blight. if you want to go before the day of the parade, no problem and reserve a spot go ahead, but days in advance...get over yourself and obey the rules...quit your whining!!!

Yup

well put.

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

Someones on defense. What district do you represent?

Napoleon
Napoleon

I hereby decree that all the parade spots are mine! Pack up your lawn chairs and funny yellow tape, buddy boy! These spots belong to me!

I came, I saw, I conquered the parade spots! (Sorry, Julius Caesar, but I conquered your pet catch phrases too. With tape and lawn chairs.)

For I am the mighty Emperor Napoleon, ruler of parade spots!

Napoleon conquers parade route spots at The Battle of Austerlitz, BBC documentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVNBj0snS8&feature=related

Be honest

You morons...the police have nothing to do with this article. They are working on solving homicides and catching drug dealers. Some of you are so hypocritical in the way you always complain about but then engage in the same types of behaviors. Or look the other way when you, your friends, or family act the fool during Oktobermess.

The city would solve so many headaches if they would just move the parade to late Sunday afternoon.

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

Really Be honest? How do you know?
I don't see SWAT raids of houses even though I submit blatant drug dealing evidence, ever! All I see is pettiness of our leaders coming up with ways to attach fees and fines to everything, EVERYTHING we do! The Brit leader is the root of all this, she needs to go.... she has no business sense, but thinks being LaCrosses nanny is her job.

I wonder if she was ever on "Nanny 911" .. and wanted to ramp it up to a city. Audrey, we don't need a babysitter, go back over the pond and let us have our freedom.

Patros land, Holiday Inn land across from Pettibone, there's two huge incomes that do nothing but collect dust. Where are the leaders with business sense?

I can't wait til I can leave this city, turn the roads into bike trails, and charge for every step someone walks, have at it. I was born in this city, how has this happened where we have elected power hungry morons that have no business sense?

Fed up.

Tim Russell
Tim Russell

LOL! Please share with us your life experience that makes you such an authority on "business sense".

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

I have little, and the council (city leaders) have less Timmy.

Buggs Raplin

I sincerely hope the police go through the crowd on Saturday and arrest anyone with an overlarge sugary soft drink. We must protect them from themselves.

my people

@baywatch....I re worded what I meant as far as people not dumping their things. I do know that people do it, expecting their spot to be saved and they do lose their things to the city. The one's who are sitting there that don't lose their things. So I won't eat my words because I already realized I worded that wrong. Also, if you don't like people doing it, then don't drive by to see them. It's a matter of preference. As I said before, good, bad or in different it's our time that we are spending out there, not your time.

ChopChop
ChopChop

Blocking off spots days in advance? What a bunch of childish foolishness! Responsible_Owner has it right, ticket them every hour until they leave.

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

Wahoo!!!

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

Welcome to LaCrosse newb. Do you have a British accent ChopChop?

The only child-like activity is stomping on tradition as our leaders are doing!

ChopChop
ChopChop

Yeah, a tradition of drunken stupidity. What a way to celebrate!

"Newb"?? What are you...13 years old???

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

Add to that, have those that leave their stuff there pay for the public works folks to come by and haul their trash away! HOURLY have them make the rounds! Then have those who had stuff hauled away pay the fines and then the wages of those who hauled their TRASH away! The high cost of that union labor would have those fines in the hundreds! Especially if repeat offenders!

Yup

I totally agree with the city. Really you only wanted a 20'x50' section? Why stop there just tape off the whole block you want

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

Just tape off public land!!! go for it, why not...

Not like anyone else would use it.

Much less police and clean up thoroughly afterwards...

allcav

Next thing you know, they'll be "reserving" space at Riverside for the fireworks.

let it go

Attending the parade was a major event years ago. You prepared food, brought drinks, not alcohol, and set up your chairs very early in the morning. We always sat in the same spot because it was closer to a public restroom. I think they will crack down on this just as much as they crack down on public intoxication. AKA You walk the streets with a beer in your hand, but dont put up chairs on the parade route.

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

Yea, I miss the days when our leaders allowed open intoxicants, and helped the few that overdid it. Now it feels like being in jail and being messed with every time you may be having fun.

There are over 30,000 cities in the USA ... and the people running this one think it's the only one, as if we can't gtfo. lol

baywatch242012

Hilarious that some of you are all up in arms about not being able to save a spot. LOL.

Nobody should be able to "save" a spot DAYS before the parade and the people that do it have nobody to blame but themselves when their stuff gets hauled away.

How arrogant some of you people sound thinking you can just lay claim on a public sidewalk by dumping your stuff there two days before the event like you own that space.

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

it's the whiners like you that are up at arms, the fest goers have been doing this for over 50 years, but now that we have nanny Kader looking for any way to make a nickle ... it's the end of the fest. She will listen to the whiners and rubber stamp anything that imposes "morality" even if it's a city tradition.

I think she should go back to England and get hired as a high paid nanny, this city doesn't need one!

Our freedoms and traditions keep getting imposed on ... and yet, there are mass amounts of open store fronts downtown .... yet, they now are going to start charging for parking on the ramps? How does this make sense ... I mean, think about it. We need foot traffic downtown, we need stores to move in ... yet they make parking harder, and downtown less attractive to shoppers and owners. Bass ackwards! People are leaving this city in droves, and shopping out by Valley View for a reason. This city is doomed ... I can't wait until I can move out, and many feel the same way.

Remember the days when Zielke was in office, and the council made sense, and they were there to ACTUALLY do what's best for the city? I saw a train by SS McDonalds one time ... first time I had seen a train on those tracks ... and there was Mr.Zielke elbow deep standing on the back of the train taking care of business because someone said it made too much noise. He really did SERVE us and take actions to better this city.

Nobody gives a rip anymore (in power), they just see this like a game of monopoly and are trying to squeeze everyone at every turn. This aint the only place to live.

my people

I think this is ridiculous. If someone is saving their spot for the parade and not causing problems, what's the big deal? This is an annual thing and there are families, like the Binnebose's that look forward to this every year. OMG, that guy is sitting in the park doing a crossword puzzle....fine him!! Whatever. Ticket the one's out there causing problems and leave the innocent parade goers alone.

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

Okay so those that go out there and litter the area with their markings making those that can't take time away from work and only rely on the parade morning suffer their ignorance to the law and or regulations?

Like stopping at a stop sign now a days, who does it, nobody so why should anyone obey a law or rule? Other than doing the right thing...

oh really an honorable thing to do, doing the right thing...

This parade is nothing more than a drunk fest....

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

Correct. It's a drunk fest, it's the only time of year it's ok to be doing jello shots at 10am. Where's your sense of kicking your heels up once a year RO?

Why is it an issue in 2012, and hasn't been in issue in 51 years prior?

If you want to have a little section for the holier than thous with no alcohol, fine, put them in their cage so they can sit higher than everyone else ... it's actually very symbolic about their personalities.

No alcohol at N.Side fest grounds, trust me, this is the beginning of the end. The fest organizers and the keystone leaders of this city are going to over-think this to death, and the fest will turn people away, lower income, and be a thing of the past in a few years.

Why do people feel the need to impose morality on others? Just because some think being a "drunk fest" to them is disgusting, why can't they just turn their head and ignore it ..... like I do to all the tax-free churches in this town?
The churches want to impose impose impose their morality, yet, they pay zero in taxes. How about you pay to play, you want to have a say in this city, ante up. Next time you're going down West Avenue, count the number of tax-free properties!

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

HonestAbe, come on you know better than anyone that when I say drunk fest it is what it is. How many fools do you see stumbling over themselves and not being able to make it across a street?! OMG!!! There is too much of that happening each year and it is only getting worse. Drinking in excess is a sickness here in this town! Look how many drink daily and drive on top of it! When is enough going to be enough?

I am not saying rule out the drinking all together, however, drink responsibly is the key. Kick up your heels and have a good time, just keep those worthless ones at home and don't allow them to run wild. I enjoy a few during the parade and having a good time don't get me wrong, however when things get out of hand, time to find something else to do on parade day.

Oh wait, maybe you are one of those aren't you HonestAbe... Come on be honest.... Or better yet, when the ones who have drank too much start throwing dead squirrels and look to overturn vehicles lets send them your way.

You say "Why do people feel the need to impose morality on others? Just because some think being a "drunk fest" to them is disgusting, why can't they just turn their head and ignore it ..... like I do to all the tax-free churches in this town?" Okay.... Impose morality on others?! How about instead of morality there is RESPONSIBILITY and RESPECT for the others around you? Or do you not care if you are seen as a fool slobbering and falling down drunk? I turn my head and ignore those, should we as a society? Maybe not as too many have gone swimming while being overly intoxicated.....

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

Peace out Honest Abe!!!

Enjoy spewing your political mumbo jumbo as you seem to think I do my holier than thou routine...

Freedom of speech and right to an opinion and We have voiced ours....

baywatch242012

It's ridiculous that someone can just dump their stuff in a prime spot 3 days before and expect it to still be saved for them the day of the parade. How ignorant and arrogant of someone to think that.

What if everyone decided to start staking out "their spots" a week before the parade to beat out the ones that are out 3 days before?

my people

People don't just dump their things out there. They actually sit and save their spot for the parade. It's been a tradition in this City since I was a young child. Don't be mad because you don't want to take the time to get yourself a prime spot to watch the parade. If you don't like it, don't attend. Period. This is not something that's brand new to the city!! It's just like paying the extra price for reserved seating. We reserve our spot but there is a price to pay....that price isn't $ but time. I guess if we pay the price of getting a prime spot with using our time to get it, so be it. If it's arrogant and ignorant, so be it!!! Everyone has their opinion, right, wrong or in different.

shameless

Don't kid yourself, people dump their stuff during the day and sit at night. I had a relative who worked for the city a number of years ago and was in charge of cleaning up the chairs that were left unattended before the midnight. He would have trucks filled with blankets and chairs put out before they were allowed. If midnight is the time, stick with it.

baywatch242012

I'm not mad in the least - I'm thrilled the city is cracking down on this spot-saving silliness and don't feel bad at all for anyone that has their belongings hauled away.

And you are lying - nobody that is sitting in their spot has their things hauled away by the city - it's the ones that just drop their belongings, leave and comeback three days later like they own the spot.

You need to eat your own words -

If you don't like the fact that you can no longer dump your stuff on public property three days early and "save" your spot - don't attend. PERIOD.

my people

@shameless....your right, there are people that dump their things. I guess I worded that incorrectly. The ones that dump their chairs and expect a spot will lose their things to the city. The one's who "camp" in their spot have always been left alone up until this year. In years past, if your things are left unattended the city sweeps them up but if your things are accompanied by a person or persons, as long as you are not bothering anyone, they didn't bother you. It seems this year is different and we will just have to adjust accordingly.

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

baywatch said nobody that is sitting in their spot has their things hauled away by the city

Read the article again. Pay close attention to the $88.80 fine. *ucknut.

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

People waiting for the parade will be asked to leave. Law breakers risk forfeiting their property and can be fined $88.80 plus removal costs.

People waiting, will be asked to leave, then fined $88.80, otherwise, how would they know who to fine?

"law breakers" (the ones that refuse to leave)

Need me to type slower? You eat your words. Your comprehension is failing.

So, now I wonder, what's the time limit when you're no longer a vagrant, and waiting for the parade?

Walking on egg shells now, have at it, won't see me up in that mess

muskieguy

@honestabe - Allot easier said than done

Wo sollen wir verschieben Sie es an?

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

Jede Stadt würde gerne diesen Verkehr haben, würde nur unsere Stadt Menschen dafür, dass festliche fein. Wenn Madison können Ernte Fest für Kiffer koordinieren, warum können wir nicht eine glatte Fest für ein legales Produkt haben? Diese Führer sind im Kopf durcheinander.

muskieguy

Nun, das ist lustig und oh so wahr!

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

;)

Seriously Now
Seriously Now

Of all the foolishness. I don't do the 'fest, but I rather see a headline that reads, "City cracks down on crack." With murders in broad daylight, druggies everywhere, and unsafe streets and alleys after dark, they are using resources for THIS???

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

Yes use resources for this! They are breaking the law just like the druggies and drunks driving and murderers... All be it what many consider a minor law but still none the less it is a law.

Buggs Raplin

Sometimes its best to look the other way

Buggs Raplin

I bet many of these law-breaking parade goers don't have lids for their garbage cans. Time for a police crack-down.

my people

To compare sitting on the boulevard to save a spot for the parade to druggies, drunk drivers and murderers is a bit much!!

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

So then I guess to you stealing a pack of gum from the store as compared to stealing a gallon of gas from the gas station is two different things.

To my it is Theft period. Does not matter what was stolen the fact is something was stolen.

So in this case it isn't what the crime is but rather a crime is being committed or a law is being broken. Period.

So no it isn't a bit much. But I will keep it in mind that if I see someone stealing to send them your way since you don't care about the law being broken...

Responsible_Owner
Responsible_Owner

Really people, why not show up the morning of the parade and claim your spot? Why does this drunk fest parade need to start having spots reserved 3 plus days in advance?! It doesn't!!!

Okay, here the parade was almost cancelled due to costs. Here is a solution to both the campers in the city and not in a proper camp ground, unless they are homeless in which case there are shelters setup to help them, the solution, Have La Crosse PD bike patrol go up and down the parade route, if someone is sitting there squatting their space on public land, that is loitering and ticket them no less than $150.00!!! Then if they are there again the next time past, fine them again. Keep fining people until they are either in jail for failure to comply, or they get the idea and pack it up.

My family is getting out of town this weekend and away from the mess of this parade. It isn't enjoyable trying to go down parade morning to find a spot if they are taken 3 days in advance! Camping in the city or loitering is not allowed... Enforce it! Especially if it is on public land or boulevard. If it is on private land then they have all the right as long as the land owner allows. If I was a land owner along the parade router I would sell the space!!! Big money to be had!

This parade has gotten out of hand over the years and I think next year if my family is going to go I am going to camp out two weeks early! I will take vacation and claim my spot! Yeah right what a joke it is... Grow up people it is only a parade!!!

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

It's a messed up city when the whiners get their way ... yes it's a beer fest. Don't like it, don't go.

Some of you sound hardcore Christian, whereas you feel the need to impose morality, when your hands aren't clean. stfu

Squeaky wheel gets the oil, it's time for us to crack down ourselves and take control, it's obvious our leaders and enforcers are too busy with politics and coming up with an extra $.80!

High Plains Drifter

Honest Abe............ich glaube,".....zu umsetzen" waere richtig. Zu bewegen denotes movement of an object/subject.

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

Zeit, um das Fest aus der Stadt zu bewegen = Time to move the festival out of town

You are correct

TotemPole

I always loved seeing people camp out for their spot! doesn't this city have some murders to solve?? maybe they should focus on that!

HonestAbe
HonestAbe

"fined $88.80 plus removal costs"

There it is ... how can the city make money off it.

Has been going on for decades, but now with our "leaders" they see money to be made ... jump on it!

Not $80 ... not $85 ... not $88 ... BUT $88.80 this place is such a joke, unreal.

I wonder how long the council debated to add the $.80.

Zeit, um das Fest aus der Stadt zu bewegen !

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