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ryunk08

Hey CAPE you have been laying in the weeds. You sound like a retired COP ,good for you. Now I do agree with you completely. I believe in law and order and dew process for all. Not like "Homie" who likes to distort, distract and is basically disgusting in some of his comments. Sometimes I think he is like Pam T. ,but more wordy.

oldhomey

I due disagree with you a lot, ryunk. I duen't know about dew process, however, so I can't say I disagree with you on that. What is that, anyway? Court hearings held outside at dawn on the lawn in early summer? Sounds interesting, but due we know if it serves justice in some strange fashion. If you feel strongly about law and order, as you say, you must know something about justice, so due tell us, please.

capedcrusader

I have carried a gun for over twenty years. And short of taking away firearms from people there are already enough laws on the books to prosecute criminals. We need to keep firearms out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them in the first place and prosecute anyone who commits a crime with a firearm to the full extent of the law. A person who commits a crime with a firearm should get a mandatory ten year prison sentence with no parole bare minimum.

ryunk08

Homie ,why to you always make a story book thing. Why not just say the facts about this incident. Don't make up a story and then distort and distract fact about the NRA or gun ownership. For someone who sounds like he never own one , fired one , sounds basically very afraid of them, sure has an opinion , something he does not know about.

oldhomey

I did not make a storybook thing, that I recall. Here is a story book thing:

Dick and Jane lived with their mom and dad in a nice house. Their mom always had blackened eyes and bruises because their dad drank too much. "See Dad drink," Jane said. "See Mom run," said Dick. "Run, Mom, run!" "Dad does not feel good," Jane said. "When he drinks, he gets his guns out. Look, Dick, Dad is getting his guns out right now." "Run, Jane, run!" Dick yelled as he grabbed their dog, Spot, and ran out the door. The police came, and Dad showed them his gun permits. They could do nothing. "Tell Biden if he wants my guns, come and TRY to take them away!" Dad told the cops. "Hahahahahaha!"

The end.

crank

That is...More gun laws would NOT change anything for this guy.

oldhomey

Fifty years ago, big fella, hand guns were rare, the NRA was actually a gun safety group that did good by teaching proper handling and respect for weapons. There was no romanticism of manliness and gun ownership, and it would not have occurred probably to a mentally ill man like this to be carrying a gun, nor would it be as easy then for somebody like him to get one. The arms industry changed all that by sticking people into the NRA to create this horrible fantasy about guns and revolution, making this country awash with horrible weaponry and incredible danger that is not tolerated in any other advanced society in the world. Thatk you Wayne LaPierre. May angels swiftly lift you to a long prison term for your naked greed and embezzlement of funds.

Rick Czeczok

That's why you should never own a gun. You are clueless. Now attack attack you're such a loser....

oldhomey

Ricky boy, you can relax. I will never own a gun. I promise. Have you got any clues you could spare? I don't seem to have any.

crank

When the guy actually kills someone, they’ll all say, “We never saw it coming.”

He’s threatened people, he’s been violent, pointed a gun at police, he’s been taken into custody by police more than once, he’s been in and through the system but his ‘rights’ are somehow placed above those of the public.

Certainly there are those who will say we need more gun laws. I suspect, given existing laws and this man’s previous encounters with police, more gun laws would change anything for him. The local judges have seen him, know him and know his history. Why is he still permitted to remain free to roam...a threat to public safety?

Remember Bryan Stanley? Deja vu...

oldhomey

Right wing politics, crank. You fight meaningful safety nets and treatment of mental illness while encouraging the horrible proliferation of ever more dangerous weapons in the hands of people who simply should not have those things available to them.

Rick Czeczok

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

crank

Seems you’re the one fighting safety nets and treating mental illness. It seems like mental illness is a get out of trouble free card. Rather than incarceration and detention, men like Bryan Stanley and this guy are turned loose because THEIR rights Trump the rights of the public at large...even when their track record shows they are a threat to public safety (guns or no guns). They knew this guy. They knew Bryan Stanley. Their mental illness should have kept them institutionalized AND kept them from having weapons. Existing already law prohibits a guy with his criminal and psychiatric history from possessing a firearm. The only new law that would protect the public would be one which permits ‘the system’ to lock this guy up this making it impossible for him to get a gun, or a knife, or ax, or bat, ashtray, or car from harming the public. You’re against that common sense legislation and are quick to blame the right wing and the NRA. Neither has anything to do with this guy but thanks for proving my point by bítching about guns instead of people with mental illness who are turned loose to continue to pose a threat to the public.

oldhomey

crank, we used to have long-term, inpatient mental health treatment facilities all over the country where people were hospitalized. But the small government conservatives decided that they should be treated on an outpatient basis, and tax-supported facilities were shut down en masse. Granted, some of those facilities were horrible. But instead of fixing the system, the whole system was junked.

crank

Is that what really happened? Or are have you revised history, old windy?

At least, by citing abolition of mental hospitals as the reason to blame the other side, you acknowledge your liberal stance of more gun laws and blaming the NRA is utter bullsh¡t. The current laws already made it illegal for him to have a gun. Further, because of his history, he should not have been free to create mayhem but his mental illness afforded him a free pass, an excuse, to break the law. There are lots of gun laws which prohibit gun possession by criminals and the mentally ill. They don’t abide by them. And... our local judges simply turn them loose even when serious infractions and violent encounters with police and the public are repeated again and again in violation of the terms of their release.

Remember Bryan Stanley? They knew about him and they know about this guy. They gonna simply release him again because he has ‘mental illness’ or should he be incarcerated/institutionalized because he breaks the law and does violent things when he’s free to roam and decides (perhaps) he no longer wishes to take his meds as Bryan Stanley had done before he committed murder all those years ago?

oldhomey

Actually, I did overstep and revise history a bit, big fella. Some of the cause of closing down long-term care institutions for mental illness was the result of reform efforts when mental health professionals felt many people in those institutions could not only handle living in the general population, they would benefit from it. So that caused some of the exodus, but then the small government folks of the right saw this as an opening to just wholesale shutting down tax-supported institutions. That is why we see a lot of dysfunctional homeless people living on the streets.

Now there are few options when you have mentally ill people running afoul of the law. There is no place to send them except to jail, and jails and prisons provide no treatment for them, so they molder there and descend deeper into their illness so that when released, they often are a far greater threat to society.

That started happening, I believe, in the 1970s. That is when the arms industry got a hold of the NRA and changed it from a hunters' gun safety group into a right-wing rubbish factory that created a new American gun mythology of gun rights that went beyond anything it had been in history, selling the gullible on the idea of guns, masculinity and so-called rugged individualism that is instead a gigantic and almost robotic cult of obedient followers. It meshed neatly with Trump, who adopted the cult. Do you recall pre-1970s? Were there weekly mass shootings? Did the criminal youth gangs in big cities spray gunfire that made the Al Capone era seem peaceful by comparison? Did people collect truly dangerous weapons of war and then long to try it out in a revolt, as so many right wing groups do today? What went wrong with America? I can tell you one name that helped take it down the wrong path. Wayne LaPierre.

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