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Protesters gather at Burns Park to listen to speakers during the Families Belong Together protest Saturday.

Children in cage-like structures, wrapped in foil blankets. Toddlers clinging to whomever they can find. Infants with tears streaming down their cheeks. The images splashed across the news are heartbreaking, but the sounds are what haunt Karen Sherman at night.

“The soundtrack from the children crying was enough to make me go to bed crying and wondering, ‘How can we do this to our children?’” Sherman said.

Wearing an American flag print T-shirt and “Familias Unidas” floral crown, Sherman clutched a sign protesting President Donald Trump’s immigration policies. She was one of about 450 people who marched from City Hall to Burns Park on Saturday at part of the nationwide Families Belong Together Rally. Simultaneous protests of family separation and detention, the travel ban against several predominantly Muslim countries and zero tolerance immigration practices were held across the nation, with an estimated 630 cities participating and the main march occurring in Washington, D.C.

Organized by MoveOn.org and NextGen Wisconsin, the La Crosse rally was one of six held in the state and featured several speakers from local organizations, including the La Crosse Immigration Task Force, Cia Siab and the YWCA. Richelle Zimmerman of the Wisconsin Child Welfare Professional Development System and Gundersen Health System pediatrician Mark Neumann discussed the effects of parental separation on child emotional development, and Chuck Berendes, coordinator of migrant, immigrant and refugee assistance for Catholic Charities gave a brief synopsis of immigration law, saying, “What we’re currently seeing is a kind of a recurring theme of embarrassment.”

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Yer Xiong speaks to the protesters at City Hall during the Families Belong Together rally Saturday.

Encouraging attendees to take their concerns to the ballot box, NextGen representatives helped register voters for the November elections, and MoveON.org circulated petitions, and marchers hoisted signs reading “GOP: Greed Over People” and “No one is illegal on stolen land.”

Planned before the June 20 reversal of U.S. policy to separate immigrant parents from their children — around 2,340 minors have been separated from their mothers and fathers since May — the rally decried the lack of procedures in place to reunite those families and the damage those separations have caused.

“Reversing the policy means it was put in place — we already created these traumatic experiences,” said New Horizons employee Andrew, who asked his last name not be used. “It’s going to continue to cycle, but each small victory in response to the hate that spreads, we get smarter.”

Formerly involved in Centro Latino, Andrew spoke of his experiences with local undocumented immigrants, who at times are scared to go to work for fear of ICE investigations or who must look for factory or farming jobs outside the city. The immigration debate is founded on money and racism, he contended, targeting “black and brown” individuals and letting undocumented caucasian individuals enter the country without consequence.

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Protesters march from City Hall to Burns Park during the Families Belong Together protest Saturday.

Ahmad Jandal, 17, whose parents were born in Saudi Arabia and Palestine, was joined by his father, brother, uncle and young cousins at the rally. Jandal said the La Crosse community has been “tremendous” in supporting his family and other Muslim community members but felt strongly about the injustice of the Muslim travel ban and the consequent cultural misconceptions and prejudices. The policy to prosecute all illegal immigrants, including those fleeing violence or seeking asylum, saddened him.

“People are being completely denied and left to die,” Jandal said.

The Rev. Laura Gentry of Our Savior’s Lutheran Church in Lansing, Iowa, says her church practices inclusivity, welcoming all because “God welcomes all,” and attended the rally in support of immigrants. Noting the division of Christians on the issue, she said she is respectful of her congregation members who disagree but refuses to be silent, calling it a matter of justice.

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Ali Jandal speaks at the Families Belong Together protest in Burns Park Saturday.

“We’re concerned about the biblical impact,” Gentry said.

UW-La Crosse students Andrew Jarrett and Matlyn Farber expressed horror over a news segment showing a teen begging not to be deported, having fled gang violence in his native country. Jarrett called out Trump for using stereotypes to justify policy, and Farber said Trump was acting out of self-interest in ending the separation of families at the border.

“Just the way he talked about the issue is very egocentric,” Farber said. “He acted like he was a hero for doing this mandate even though it was his (policy) in the first place.”

A federal court on Tuesday forbid the Department of Homeland Security from continuing to separate families, and requiring reunification of those already affected within 14 to 30 days, depending on the age of the minors, with communication between parents and children established within 10 days. Rally participants called for further steps ending family detention and policies that criminally prosecute families for bringing their children to safety.

Sherman was cautious about the reversal of the administration’s family separation policy, noting the lack of of a solid plan to reunite families, especially in the midst of chaos at the border and in detention facilities across the country. However, she was encouraged by the number of people standing up both locally and at rallies nationwide.

“We can be patriotic and not agree with policy,” Sherman said. “We are all human, and we should all be treated equal, no matter race, age, creed or religion. We don’t need to build walls. We need to tear them down.”

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(73) comments

johnnybragatti

Cowchip MaNure, whose middle name is "Runoff", doesn"t love his country.
Separating families and the massive subsequent protests across the U.S.A.,
has these highly mentally challenged ,society misfits upset and "jacked up, by it,
especially when it comes to their own backyard.
There be no wall built.
Alcohol ain"t the only answer.
Think about it.

Buggs Raplin

johnny, do you also post as the Mouse?

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capedcrusader

You are not a fan of the Koch Brothers?!

Buggs Raplin

Again, this 'news' article by Emily is just Tribune propaganda in favor of open borders. Emily, listen up here. A real journalist would have spoken to a person like Bill Feehan to get the Republican response to this demonstration. It's called 'balance', Emily. But your editors are either too stupid to realize it, or have given up journalism altogether in their subservience to the propaganda machine.-Chip DeNure

oldhomey

If Mr. Feehan or anybody else wanted to critique the opinions of the marchers, they should have presented themselves at the march, Buggs. This was a story about the march , not an opinion piece. The people who marched wanted to have their say, and they did. Should those who are in favor of sending asylum seekers away from our borders, seizing and taking their children away as a means of getting the adults to forgo what the laws of our nation afford them -- a hearing -- then they should come out and march to tell their compelling side of the story. I am sure the Tribune will be there to cover it. There might, however, also be others who disagree on the scene, which would necessitate the Tribune quoting that side, too. THAT is journalistic balance. Can we count on you to be marching with Mr. Feehan next week?

Buggs Raplin

The 'news' stories you read in the Tribune from local and national reporters are little more than propaganda to advance the elite agenda of open borders, gun control, and the carbon tax, in relation to the global warming hoax. Emily's article here is an example. Others in the past have come Tighe and Vian, with their publisher's approval., where they interject their opinions into news stories-again all with approval of the Tribune's publisher. My friends, the Tribune is, part and parcel of the propaganda media, your enemy. It is the enemy of our Constitution, and our freedoms. The Tribune is the big friend of illegal immigration; the big friend of efforts to destroy the 2nd Amendment; a big friend of the scourge of political correctness; the big friend of the global warming hoax for which there is no evidence, just opinion of scientists who manipulate data to conform with their theory, a big friend of Big Pharma causing autism in our children. Folks, do not trust the La Crosse Tribune on anything pertinent to your lives. They are a cog in a propaganda enterprise designed for elite purposes to destroy this country and our Constitution, and our freedom.-Chip DeNure

ou812

No passport no entry, period.

Grand Dad's Bluff

This will not end well for all of us.

oldhomey

Amen.

madmen60

The new policy is to detain the entire family together, presumably in jail, and for greater than 20 days. Equally harmful.

oldhomey

Amen.

Grand Dad's Bluff

Lots of immigrants have served and are serving the US Armed Forces. Their hope is to gain citizenship. Must be humiliating for them to submit to a jackboot ICE agents detention actions. It happens. If you are not concerned about our immigration policy, you live under a rock.

Buggs Raplin

ILLEGAL immigrants, of course, are not allowed to serve in the military.

The Mouse of Death

[angry]It would behoove us to thank the Donald and his boss, the Vladimir, for leading the fight against toddler terrorists from Mexico. North Korea just got caught building secret nuke sites which proves that the toddler terrorists have been sneaking over the US and A border before Hernando Cortez sneaked in with smallpox to wipe out the Incas. We are indeed bemezzled by Stormy Daniels, Paul Manafort, Karen McDougal, MeToo, Bill O'Reilly, Charlottesville which is in the heart of the Mexico where ISIS colludes with the Moscow.

Buggs Raplin

Are you related to johnny braggati?

Bill Payer

Don't break the law, and you won't be separated from your family. Problem solved.

Cassandra2

Being a refugee seeking asylum is not a crime.

Buggs Raplin

Crossing the border illegally is a crime. There are venues for seeking legitimate asylum.

oldhomey

I think the law prescribes that people seeking asylum can appear at the border and apply for asylum, which many, many thousands are doing.

lostinparadize

Cassie, if they came from Central American and traveled thru Mexico, they have no real legal standing to seek asylum in the USA. International law states you seek asylum in the first stable country you come to. (Mexico in this case) Now we may not agree that Mexico is all that stable, but apparently according to current international standards they are. Why are these folks showing up at our southern border not seeking asylum when they enter Mexico from the south?

tower

Buggs, let's see, you think all news not put out by government sources is fake, you could be a Nazi. If you like tax cuts for the rich and businesses, you could be a Nazi. You believe the country needs to wall it's self off, you could be a Nazi. You think others are less human than you, you could be a Nazi. If you think only a strong man can fix it all, you may be a Nazi. Believe in all of them then you are a Nazi. Just call them as they are my man.

Buggs Raplin

The 'news' is mostly put out by private corporations who are in service to the global elite. On all matters crucial to the elite, truth plays no role if that truth is contrary to the elite agenda. Instead illusions or fake news is fed to the people to keep them obedient and in line. I don't favor tax cuts for the rich. I favor them for small businesses who employ American citizens, not illegals. The country desperately needs the Wall to end the illegals from entering this country, where American taxpayers have to support them in education, health care, and housing. At the same time, the illegals take jobs from Americans and dumb down wages, of American citizens. Either you have a country or you don't, and a secure border must be obtained to preserve our sovereignty. I don't think anyone is less human than me. Your implication that I do is ridiculous. Wanting to end ILLEGAL immigration does not make one superior to anyone. I believe in the Constitution of the United States where liberals are trying to erode the first and second amendments. But, hey, if you want to call me a Nazi, go ahead. I don't care because I have no respect for you, and you know why.

Cassandra2

Chippy's president just called for lowering wages, yet he'll ignore that. And he'll fail to see the hypocrisy in claiming that liberals want to erode the First Amendment while his president open calls journalists "enemies of the people" and his acolytes openly call for journalists to be gunned down. #clueless

Buggs Raplin

The MSM are enemies of the people. Trump is not shutting them down. He's ridiculing their fake news. Good for him. His acolytes are for gunning down journalists? Give me some examples of that. We already know some on the left want to kidnap the president's son. I believe that was Peter Fonda. And then there's slapsy Maxie, a lunatic. A certifiable lunatic.

oldhomey

illegals take jobs from Americans and dumb down wages, of American citizens. Either Buggs, you have provided some key phrases in your 8:57pm post that explain a great deal about you:

1. " . . . truth plays no role if that truth is contrary . . . " True, and you prove that with your oddball contention that small businesses do not employ illegal immigrants. Small business probably account for the largest amount of employment of illegals.

2. "American taxpayers have to support them (illegals) in education, health care, and housing." Every economic study I have ever seen says that illegals aren't heavy users of social services, and that they provide for themselves, lest exposing themselves to authorities as illegals.

3. "I don't think anyone is less human than me." You don't often get things right or speak the truth, Buggs, but in this case you score correctly in both regards.

johnnybragatti

The only separation the United States of America should allow and compel,
is Trump from the White House.
No amount ,whatsoever, of propaganda Hannity pukes on a daily basis, with Fox "news",
is going to change the fact he must be abolished.
Most all Repubicks will tell you that, Libs too, Commies ,Socialists,Greens, ect.,ect
All will agree.

Climatehoax

These parents are criminals, criminals shouldn’t keep their children when they’re being processed. But liberals have as much respect for laws as ISIS does for 9 year old girls. They rape them to death

RNeibuhr

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor. There is no parallel misdemeanors in the rest of the criminal system. If a non-immigrant commits a misdemeanor (let's say a traffic violation) they most often are not held while they await trial. If they are, they have the opportunity to post bail. If they cannot, being permanent residents, there is often another parent or family member that can care for their child. That's substantially different than indefinite detention, where none of these options are available. Also, equating liberals to rapists because they disagree with you is crude and unesscary. Dissageee, fine--but have some decency.

oldhomey

Beautifully stated, Mr. Neibuhr. Buggs, who is a great proponent for repeating the big lie until people begin to think it is true, ignores the truth and presents the lie once again in his 20:59am post. Perhaps he could provide the statutes that classify this as a felony crime.

Cassandra2

Hoaxer, being a refugee seeking asylum is not a crime. So start by admitting that your entire premise is based on a lie.

Buggs Raplin

There are venues for people seeking legitimate asylum. Crossing the border illegally is a crime.

Buggs Raplin

Gullible liberals are being manipulated by the propaganda media to try to achieve a key agenda item of the elite, which desires the end of American sovereignty. The strategy is to flood the country with immigrants who have no loyalty to the United States lessening our cohesion as a nation. The MSM plays on the emotions of the liberals, not reason. And the liberals fall for it. That the education, health care, and housing of these immigrants must be paid for is not a consideration for liberals. That the immigrants will be taking jobs from Americans and reducing wages for Americans is also not considered. Hey, if you want to end the separation of families coming ILLEGALLY across our southern border. Build the wall.

RNeibuhr

Buggs, it's a dark world you live in, indeed. One has to really strain to keep up with your mental leaps. You really think all of the media outlets got together and decided together to push a false narrative with the goal of ending American sovereignty? Where do they have these meetings where thousands of jornalists conspire to end democracy? Perhaps when the La Crosse Center addition is done, it'll be big enough to host one! Net migration is at essentially zero and has been for nearly a decade. Unemployment is low, and the trades are desperate for labor. Your worries aren't based in reality. They seem to come from a place of emotional fear. I continue to live in hope that you'll come out of the darkeness and realize that the country is full of generally nice people who love their country and aren't trying to consipre against you.

Buggs Raplin

It is indeed a dark world. Try reading a little Noam Chomsky on the mainstream media, and you'll understand its basically propaganda in service to the elite especially in terms of American aggression overseas.. The MSM does not provide truth when the truth is contrary to the elite agenda. Again, examine our foreign policies since the end of WW2. Instead it provides illusion, the necessary illusions to keep the people obedient, and in line. Surprisingly, some elite personalities have been honest on their desire to end American sovereignty in favor of a one world government. David Rockefeller and Walter Cronkite come to mind. Obviously this is to be achieved incrementally. Small steps. The first is to flood the nation with immigrants lessening our cohesion. The plan next envisions a North American Union with Mexico and Canada, and then finally a one world authoritarian government. The elite are an evil entity. They could care less about little kids. They are using their servants in the MSM to manufacture selective outrage at Trump on immigration. Obama separated families and kids were kept in cages, but there was no outrage then. The MSM has been gunning for Trump for two years because he's an obstacle to the elite agenda of open borders, gun control, and the carbon tax. Well, it's dark world. It appears it's getting darker. Enjoy today. Tomorrow things will be a little worse.

oldhomey

Buggs, you could brighten your world considerably if you would just read Noam Chomsky's essay taking apart the lunatic conspiracy theory that 9-11 was an insider job carried out by the CIA. That might restore your faith in the system that has served our republic so well for 240 years. It is remarkable that you would have the chutzpah to suggest the ultimate 20th century capitalist, David Rockefeller, would have been campaigning for an elitist leftist one world government. Pray, could you share with us the links that would confirm this for the rest of us? Ditto for Walter Cronkite. If you want to find elites who care nothing about little kids, you would do well to instead take a look into the present occupants of the White House. Or don't u care, either? The media has been chronicling the absurdities of Donald Trump for decades, Buggs, not just the last two years. But apparently you admire absurdities when it comes to leadership.

Cassandra2

Chippy ignores the fact that being a refugee seeking asylum is not a crime. He also ignores the fact that undocumented workers pay billions in taxes and Social Security that they will never be able to reclaim. Facts just don't matter to Chip DeNure because they're inconvenient to his paranoid narrative.

Buggs Raplin

Undocumented workers? Typical liberal, afraid to say the word 'illegal.' Now as to illegals paying social security taxes, that's a new one to me, Cassie. Don't you have to have a social security number to pay social security taxes? Seriously, are we giving illegals social security numbers these days?

oldhomey

Gosh, Buggs, would you prefer radical Islamic Jahidist terrorists? That would really fit your argument better, wouldn't it? Illegal immigrants seems so mild. You should only hope that the millions of illegals working in this country were given Social Security numbers, which would mean they would be paying into a diminishing fund that supports you and tens of millions of others in retirement.

Buggs Raplin

I would hope all Democrats follow all the ideas of this 28 year old woman in New York who upset a long term incumbent.

oldhomey

I would be a fool to predict the outcome of the November elections, but the vibe I feel in this country is one of rising disgust for the immorality and corruption that reigns in the White House and the Republican ranks. I hope it is even more widespread than I think it already is.

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oldhomey

I repeat, Snow, I dearly hope there is somebody in your household watching over you and your daughter. Your repetitions of statements like the one in your 11:18am post are -- and I am serious, not saying this for sake of argument -- those of a person who is suffering serious delusions. Please take care of yourself, for your daughter's sake.

GrandpaS

Trump keeps blaming the obstructionist Democrats for not rebuilding our immigration policy, reflecting the Loss Of Memory syndrome present in so many Republicans. To a congress with a Dem majority and later to a congress with a GOP majority, Obama said over and over, "Ladies and Gentlemen. We must get to work on our out-dated and ineffective immigration policy." Neither party even gave it a serious shot. They both have dropped the ball on this very, very serious issue.

GrandpaS

3 points: You don't tear kids away from their parents in this situation. Mom and Dad going to jail? Okay, kids go with Grandma or Aunt Maggie or to a local foster home where they're still allowed to see Mom and/or Dad if they want to. Not heartless, ice cold moves like we saw here. 2. I'm sorry that people in 630 American cities have to unite and march against the unbelievable treatment we have dealt out to helpless kids and parents in front of God and the rest of the world. 3. I'm glad the people in those 630 cities did what they did. How much barf can you swallow before you decide to stand up and do your best to shut it off?

tower

Buggs is drinking again. You forgot Bush in your diatribe. Did he simply stop doing it? How about the truth, no President before the Orange Stain seperated children in normal practice. It was rarely done. You Nazis will use any BS to try and approve this.

Buggs Raplin

Yep, typical liberal. If you disagree with them, you're either a racist or a Nazi or both.

Climatehoax

Rarely? BS, you fool. Photos don’t lie, liberals do.

tower

I missed out on that pay check today, momma. Could have used the money too. Maybe Soros was at it again.

mamasboy

If these people are with moveon .org they are PAYED to protest. Where were they bused in from. One has to wonder what level of conviction these people have. You don't have to wonder for long.

RNeibuhr

Mamasboy, do you have any evidence they were paid or bussed in? Of course you don't. But that's easier to believe than some of your neighbors want to be civically engaged and may have a different opinion than you, I suppose.

oz

My wife was "bussed in" on the MTU #4. But that was the only bus I saw all day.

Cassandra2

Please provide EVIDENCE to back up your claim, mamasboy. Not just BS that you've been programmed to repeat from some wingnut site. EVIDENCE.

Climatehoax

So the libs didn’t mind it when Clinton and obama put children in dog kennels, BUT when the same practice continues under Trump, becsuse the liberals didn’t fix the problem, NOW it’s a problem. How do you spell hypocrite? L-i-b-e-r-a-l, as in homey, Cassandra, johnnynobrains and king.

capedcrusader

Hey, Conservatives could have fixed the problem long before Clinton when Reagan was in charge. Give me a break and stop whining like a school girl.

Climatehoax

Liberals have the corner on whining sewed up. You are still whining about Hil liar y loosing the election.

capedcrusader

I haven't been. Prove it. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. That just eats away at Trump. Too bad Obama couldn't have ran again. He would have Thumped Trump even worse. Liberals don't have the corner. You are worse. Yea but Obama. Yea but Hillary. You are hilarious if not so pathetic. Oh, and why didn't Reagan the "Great Communicator" fix the problem when it was presented to him? Why didn't President Cheney and Bush fix the problem when THEY had the chance? Rethuglicans even had Congress then. Why didn't THEY fix it?

lostinparadize

Reagan took the word of the Dems at that time that if he allowed amnesty for the current illegals they (Dems) would fix the border problem and address new immigration laws. They lied to him . The illegals got amnesty and nothing was done in congress about border security and immigration law.

capedcrusader

Ok, he was lied to according to you. But then in your last sentence you apparently agree with me that the Republicans are as much to blame since they controlled Congress for a longer time ever since. Do I have that right?

johnnybragatti

Buggs was violated when brains and thought process were handed out.
Can ya'll fix stupid???
No way man...not with him.

Buggs Raplin

"How can we do this to 'our' children a protestor asked? Well, they're not 'our' children are they? The villains here are not Obama or Trump, who both separated families. I believe the children under Trump have fared better. In my first comment, I told you children were put in cages under Obama, and that is a fact. No, the villains are the parents of these kids, who brought them illegally into the US. Oh dear, now I've gone and upset the liberals with the use of the word 'illegally.' They hate that word. They do their best to avoid it. Switching topics. Muslim ban? No, it was ban of immigrants from 7 countries, which the Supreme Court has upheld as being legal-an effort by Trump to protect us from radical Islamic terrorism. I wonder if liberals defending Islam know its tenets-it's proclivity to violence (jihad); it's discrimination of women and gays. Well, another propaganda article from the Tribune going after Trump. I'm sure Rusty will have more in the future.

capedcrusader

You must not like Rusty. You have a bone to pick with him?

Buggs Raplin

Yep, but it's none of YOUR business

capedcrusader

Why won't you tell us what it is and why is it your business to know anyone's real name on here if they don't want to tell you? You start losing an argument and then switch to "Care to tell us your real name" mode.

Cassandra2

Ah, Chippy falls right into the fascist mindset of separating people into "us" and "them." His repetition of the wingnut talking points is really getting to be a bore.

Buggs Raplin

Yep, to many liberals I'm either a fascist, a Nazi, or a racist. Typical. They should realize name-calling where is no truth to the accusation makes them look foolish.

Buggs Raplin

Where were these protesters when Obama separated families and put children in cages?

capedcrusader

The Republicans were as silent then as they are now. There's never a wrong time to do the right thing so lets do the right thing and stop whining and pointing fingers.

GrandpaS

Apparently nobody was paying attention. Protests should have been happening then, too.

oldhomey

Very few families were separated during the Obama administration. The pictures you saw of kids behind chainlink fencing during the Obama years was a hiccup, when there was a surge of unaccompanied minor children crossing the border, at first overwhelming authorities as they tried to house them. That soon was alleviated. As for the rest of it, the dealing with families coming across the border, the Obama administration very rarely separated the kids from their parents:

" . . . it was done in 'really limited circumstances' such as suspicion of trafficking or other fraud.

'Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,' Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. 'Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.'”

As usual, Buggs and the other Trump apologists take a Trump organization talking point and run with it, without checking out the whole story.

Climatehoax

A hiccup? So it’s OK to do it to some immigrants? Like it’s slso OK for illegals to kill some innocent Americans? Like it’s OK for Odummy to release some criminal without punishment? Like it’s OK to kill some babies. It should be OK to lock up up some stupid liberals? You’re an idiot. How about I break some of your fingers, would that be OK???

Cassandra2

Hoaxer ignores the fact that immigrants are far less criminal than the average American. FACT. No matter what lies Trump spreads, the facts remain, and yet Hoaxer will continue to base his appalling opinions on belligerent ignorance.

oldhomey

That "hiccup" was a very serious event along the border, a confluence of reasons that impelled families living in very dangerous countries to suddenly push thousands of children to come to the U.S. and cross the border. It was not a sustained event of continuing high numbers, so it was a "hiccup" in the statistical record. What babies did the Obama administration kill, Climate? How about tracking the families trying to escape the mayhem in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, following those turned back from the border? In those cases, you will find babies actually being killed.

capedcrusader

A hiccup. You know, like when a Cop shoots and kills someone and it's found out later that the Cop really didn't have to fear for his life or the life of someone else. Yea, hiccups happen all the time.

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