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Overcast skies and north winds seemed appropriate, given the somber impetus of the March for Our Lives.

But voices were strong, words passionate and adrenaline high as almost 1,000 people proceeded through downtown La Crosse on Saturday, joining hundreds of thousands of activists across the country in a march and rally against gun violence.

About 800 marches were scheduled Saturday in all 50 states and on six continents, spurred by the Feb. 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. Seventeen died when a 19-year-old former student entered the school with a semi-automatic AR-15 assault rifle and started firing. Survivors have been vocal about the need for reform, inspiring school walkouts, protests and petitions for change, and helming the mass March for Our Lives in Washington, D.C., that drew half a million participants.

Participants in La Crosse began gathering at noon for a rally, chanting “Enough is a enough” and hoisting signs reading “Thoughts and prayers are not enough” and “Fix this before it’s me texting my dad under a desk,” as they walked down from Burns Park to Cameron Park, where a lineup of 20 speakers addressed the crowd of students and families.

UW-La Crosse education major Dana Krokstrom, and fellow student Lili Sweet, huddled at the center of the crowd, distressed by school massacres in recent years and the lack of action by politicians.

“They need to pay attention to what we’re saying,” Krokstrom said. “I’m hoping politicians will see they need to step up and do their jobs and pass laws that actually protect — we’re hurting, we’re dying, we’re just trying to get help. We could be next. These assault weapons don’t need to be in the hands of everyday citizens.”

“It’s just kind of ridiculous at this point that the NRA is protesting,” said Sweet of the lawsuit filed by the organization to stop legislation from raising the minimum age of gun purchasers to 21 and banning bump stocks. “They’re not seeing it from the perspective of the people who lost their lives.”

Both were adamant that proposals to arm school officials are a step backwards, an opinion shared by many at the rally.

“I think its immoral,” said recent Westby High School graduate Austin Johnson, wearing a #Never Again T-shirt. “Teachers don’t want to carry guns. If we arm them, there are going to be more casualties. It doesn’t make people safer to have more guns — more guns cause confusion ... and chaos.”

Aprajita Singh, a UW-L student, called fighting violence with violence “stupid,” and expressed dismay some citizens and politicians seem to care more about gun rights than the lives of their children.

“It’s just not OK,” Singh said as speakers lined up to take the podium.

The Rev. Ben Morris addressed the crowd with an impassioned argument against the National Rifle Association, citing the money and political power the organization wields. Politico reported the NRA contributed nearly $6 million to Republican candidates during the 2016 election cycle, with the organization and its affiliates putting $50 million in political advertisements that year, $14.5 million of it to promote Republican supporters of the NRA, and $34.5 million to target Democrats in favor of stricter gun laws.

Morris, who is a hunter and gun owner, declared “the NRA does not speak for me,” and argued against using of the Second Amendment’s wording about “a well regulated Militia” to support the NRA’s objectives.

“There is nothing well regulated about being able to buy a gun in 15 minutes ... or being able to buy bump stocks,” Morris said as the crowd clapped and shouted in agreement. “Guns have one purpose: killing. We need meaningful gun reform in this country, and we need it yesterday.”

Mayor Tim Kabat followed, reading a proclamation and imploring citizens to continue “the incredible legacy in La Crosse of activism and action.”

Cheryl Hancock, executive director of Coulee Council on Addictions, spoke against arming educators, a view echoed by Central High School teacher John Havlicek. Teaching major Betsy Riling read a poem about her fears for her future students and herself, and the Rev. Brian Konopa discussed gun violence in the context of the Catholic teaching.

State Sen. Jennifer Shilling and La Crosse County Board chair Tara Johnson were among several officials who spoke, as did five religious figures, the organizer of Moms Demand Action, mental health professionals and professors. Central High School student Marley Richmond declared “I go to school to learn, not to be shot at,” and Logan High School student Libby Miller pleaded to keep guns out of schools.

Dr. Bob Freedland, an opthamologist, discussed guns and public health, calling for advanced research and education on the topic. Freedland said $600 million dollars a year is spent treating gun-related injuries.

“We need to research gun injuries as an epidemic or a disease,” Freedland said.

Wisconsin Assembly Rep. Jill Billings elaborated on Democratic proposals for gun safety in the Wisconsin Legislature, citing her disappointment in a package introduced by state Republican officials, calling it “anemic and weak.” The Democratic package, Billings said, includes universal background checks, banning bump stocks and funding for school safety measures and counseling.

“It’s a more extensive package that addresses people’s concerns,” said Billings, who said she has received an influx of calls, emails and letters from constituents clamoring for reform.

“They are tired of waiting,” Billings said. “They want action, and they should .... I think schools and students have done their jobs, and it’s time for elected officials to do their jobs and have a backbone and be bold on this issue.”

Many of those in attendance had young children with them, including pediatrician Mark Neuman, who said school shootings are causing anxiety in children, who fear for themselves and mourn their peers. As a parent, Neuman shared the sentiment of mothers and fathers in the crowd who are desperate to have a safe future for their children.

“My biggest fear, one I can’t even contemplate, is that my child would die before they are out of school,” Neuman said. “It would be the greatest anguish.”

“They need to pay attention to what we’re saying.” Dana Krokstrom, UW-L education major

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(90) comments

awol2009

Mocha is a delusional idiot that knows nothing about Planned Parenthood. The Hyde Amendment of 1977 does not allow any federal funding to pay for abortion. State Medicaid funding does, but only in cases of incest, rape, or if pregnancy endangers the life of the mother. 3% of PP services involve abortion with the bulk of their services going to men and women's reproductive health, birth control, STD's and counseling. No federal funding to PP pays for abortion, period. Here's a fact check, Mocha. https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money

awol2009

"Be a nuisance when it counts. Do your part to inform and stimulate the public to join your action. Be depressed, discouraged, and disappointed at failure and the disheartening effects of ignorance, greed, corruption and bad politics - but never give up." ? Margory Stoneman Douglas

Most of us have absolutely no idea or concept of what these youth have endured in their short life span. They were born after 09/11/2001. Our country has been in corrupt, hostile conflict since then both here, and abroad. School gun violence has escalated since Columbine in 1999. Gun laws are too lax in some states with illegal gun runners traveling to them for purchases to distribute in areas like Chicago, some even done by crooked law enforcement to privately profit.

Who can fault them for taking a stand against Russian funded NRA that backs politicos in power? Politicians have defunded our public schools, mental health care, put more importance on gun lobby money than their own constituency.

I stand with them on this mission to enact more common sense gun laws. I'd propose a major tax on gun purchases and ammunition to help fund securing public schools. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves on how the 2nd Amendment has become ba$tardized by the NRA and mass slaughtering of our children. A well-regulated militia doesn't gun down innocent citizenry.

mocha1

Just locked up my deadly scary automatic,semiautomatic assault rifles with scary pistol grips up for the night. Not one snapped at me, threatened me.. they did like any mechanical device does, only do what the operator does with them. So to all the marchers including the LaCrosse mayor and clergy, maybe you should be focusing on the human operator to solve gun violence instead of a mechanical device.

mocha1

Grandpa, grandpa. Relax, if you are truly a grandpa you have seen this all before. Common sense not raw emotion typically rule the day. The NRA supports the second amendment not necessarily the gun industry. Unlike Planned Parenthood whose only goal is kill as many babies for profit as possible.

kingman10

you are way off on that one moch1. The NRA is for the gun industry, that is a fact. They are used to increase gun sales for the manufacturers, pure and simple. Now they may hide behind the second amendment, or use scare tactics to get gun sales increasing. Nothing is out of bounds for them from perusing their agenda. In the sixties when blacks were rioting their demanding civil rights, the NRA wanted gun restrictions on black people. You are brain washed into thinking the NRA has only a pure, innocent constitutional initiatives. They are all about power, buying off politicians, and love it every time more carnage occurs. Its always good for gun sales.

capedcrusader

That is the most asinine post of the year so far. "The NRA supports the second amendment not necessarily the gun industry". What planet do you live on? "Planned Parenthood whose only goal is kill as many babies for profit as possible". Congratulations on the most asinine post of the year so far.

El Duderino

It’s TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), Mocha.

They didn’t get their way, couldn’t grasp that they lost, and are literally in a state of derangement as a result.

When confronted they melt like the snowflakes they are and resort to the name calling because that’s all they’ve got.
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mocha1

After watching the lunacy of the left in full display at the marches I just extended my NRA to lifetime status. Now according to the left I am officially a racist, bigot,child murderer, and a few words I cannot print here. We have a large portion of this country that believes if they scream and shout loud enough, demonize anyone that disagrees with them , in general throw a hissy fit they do not get their way even if it’s a baseless, uninformed, anti American foundational desire. Thank God we have strong moral based, constitutional supporting American institutions like the NRA to combat this nonsense.

GrandpaS

"We have a large portion of this country that believes if they scream and shout loud enough, demonize anyone that disagrees with them , in general throw a hissy fit they do not get their way even if it’s a baseless, uninformed, anti American foundational desire." You're talking about Fox News and Steve Bannon, right?

El Duderino

Cassandra likes to throw loaded terms like “Nazi” and “terrorist” around and then hide when she’s asked to expound.

Like a petulant child throwing a rock through a window and subsequently running away. It’s her MO.

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Buggs Raplin

The FBI receives word that Nicolas Cruz desires to be a school shooter. The FBI does nothing; doesn't investigate those 49 police contacts involving Cruz. The FBI does nothing. The tragedy then occurs. Two students who were there describe multiple gunmen. One says there were three shooters; the other says she walked alongside Cruz as shots were being fired. A teacher says she saw a gunmen in full military garb. Full military carb? Cruz would not have had the time to change into it according to the 'official version.' At least one sheriff's deputy stood down and did not go to the rescue of the students and teachers. He was a 33 year veteran. All law enforcement from La Crosse to Parkland know it is their duty-it is their calling to go in..in such situations to save lives. That didn't happen. The killing went on. Meanwhile media 'darling' David Hogg is actually taping an anti-NRA video from a closet in the school as the killing goes on. David's father is an ex- FBI agent. We later learn that the Secret Service was at Parkland three weeks prior to the killings for training. The Secret Service? What the hell is that all about? So the death toll becomes known, and the propaganda media focuses not on the FBI, or the stand-down, or the credible eyewitnesses reporting multiple gunmen...no, the propaganda media blame the NRA, and a media inspired, a media manufactured protest movement ensues..and the poor dupes participating in La Crosse's protest yesterday become unwitting components in the whole fraud, thinking themselves solid citizens, when they're being played for fools.-Chip DeNure

truthbknown

When will we see the first Pro-AR15 rally? What are the pro-gun advocates waiting
for? As we know from the NRA spokespeople, owning an AR15 is a right protected by the 2nd amendment.

El Duderino

They’ll change their tune when all they have is a slingshot to defend themselves. They’ll also change their tune when they see their pay stubs and learn about the culture of those milking the system with “crazy checks”.

I’m sure gang-bangers and other $hitbirds are wringing their hands over possible gun control legislation...

The 2nd Amendment has ZERO to do with hunting.

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oldhomey

There was a time, Dude, when the NRA was a hunter's gun safety organization. Then the gun industry hijacked the organization in the 1950s, setting off red herring scare alarms that the government was coming after hunters' guns, misrepresenting the 2d Amendment to the gullibles and constructing the conspiracy fantasy of the deep state and "elites" concocting a violent overthrow of the government to install a world order. You ate it all up, didn't you, Dude? So now we have sick kids every month or two running into schools or movie theaters or churches or concerts with assault rifles, trying to run up the record number of "kills". You know how it is going to end? Look at the photos of millions of kids marching to force Congress and adults to behave like grownups, get rid of assault weapons from private ownership, do background checks on other weapons and start restoring some sanity to our national life. They are marching, and it looks like they are mad enough and energized enough to keep on marching until the will of the NRA is broken and the glamor of every Tom, Dick and Mary in the country being weaponized for war is gone.

LaCrosseTaxPayer

While we’re at it lets ban airplanes seeing it were airplanes that have been used to kill people in mass, lets not forget the cars that kill more people in a week than guns do in a year.
All metal pipes must be stripped out of all building all other uses because people make pipe bombs.Ban Knifes, bats, clubs, any chemical that could kill a person, matches because people start fire with them and light bombs with them. We must ban anything and everything that can kill a person!!!!
Why not just inforce the laws we have instead of feeling sorry for the poor babies. This down ward spin started back in the 50-60s when the snowflakes screamed it was sooooo back to lock up the nut cases in nut houses like lake view was. When you turn criminals, nut cases, drugies, and the snowflakes out on the street bad things are bound to happen.
Capital punishment eliminates repeat offenders, violent criminals, drug dealers, and lifers need to be fried to make room for the other criminals that should be forced to pay for their stay in the crow bar hotel.

Buggs Raplin

"Many of those in attendance had young children with them," writes Ms. Pyrek. Oh, isn't that something? Putting your children out there in the cold for three or so hours. What great parents to do that to their kids-to use them as fodder for 'journalists' like Ms Pyrek and those others at the Tribune as they fulfill their propaganda role in not reporting the truth about Parkland. One wonders how they live with themselves.-Chip DeNure

oldhomey

Oh, gosh, Buggs, it is SO heartening to see your deep, deep concern for the little ones. It's just awful what parents will do these days, as you point out, to garner press attention to their young ones. I haven't seen you so angry about the crass exploitation of children since the gunman killed all those first graders at the Sandy Hook massacre. Why don't parents just shut their traps, arm their teachers, lock down their schools and put their children in fortresses like normal people all around the world do and have always done? American exceptionalism. Bah, right Buggs?

Tim Russell

What would you know about raising children?

Redwall

When & where is the rally for pushing drug dealers out of town?

Oh, yes, I forgot, not part of the Democrat or Fibune script.

GrandpaS

Ever read a story in the Fibune about how La Crosse cops have busted drug dealers? There was a significant one just a week or two ago. Is it lonely on your planet?

Cassandra2

Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout?????
Ignore or mock these kids at your own peril.

Buggs Raplin

Ignore these kids "at my peril." Cassie have you lost your mind? At my peril? At my peril? Oh, you poor pathetic creature. What, in God's name, are you implying? You, are a brainless idiot, and have reached a new low, though I thought that impossible from your other nonsense in the past few years. Better call oldhomey to buck up your spirits as you're now a designated loon.

kingman10

buggs is wondering if someone has lost their mind. How funny! The local wacko is making accusations without having a full deck himself. With all the conspiracy lunatics out there, buggs definitely takes the prize for the most gullible. INfo wars could say the moon is made up of swiss cheese and he would take that as truth, all the way to his grave. Thank God there are enough people in this world who see the world as it really is, and insist it change for the better, for all people. Gun whores, who care nothing of all the gun violence happening in this country , think everyone should think like them. And if they don't well then ridicule and name calling is their weapon. They worry about the second amendment rights, but when others are exercising their constitutional rights like freedom of speech or assembly, then they get all uppity and want to tear that part of the constitution apart.
The young people, the clergy, true humanitarians can see through all that NRA hate filled b.s.. And thank goodness they will not stop till their government starts looking out for the good of society, despite the attempts of the right wing nuts to thwart their constitutional rights to life and liberty.

capedcrusader

BS

HonestAbe

All these demonstrators ... and for what? To show off their balled up little fists and tears?
Now politicians are backing it and are going to lose votes, as I vote on issues, not party lines. This type of stuff, when politicians back it, is just laughable and very damaging to their image. All this effort for nothing other than getting some press, a cause the bleeding hearts get to go on a walk for while holding up $.10 signs. Do you realize how huge the NRA is & how many members make them up? Millions.
Well, this is good for a laugh, and lets us know where our representatives stand ... in Wisconsin, we're a hunting state .... most have guns, thus, your numbers are a joke. (as well as your marching, although, most look like they could use the exercise.)

GrandpaS

"All these demonstrators ... and for what? To show off their balled up little fists and tears?" No, you heartless and brainless lump. They're doing it to fight the constant wave of mass shootings we've gotten used to in this country. How in the world can you miss that? Should somebody call a crane to get your head out of you-know-where? If you and Buggs and others can sit there and post these totally fictional, non-sensical remarks, than I quit. You are freading hopeless.

Buggs Raplin

Poor Gramps. He's just a pathetic victim of the propaganda media, immune to the evidence that Parkland was a false flag black operation. Again, witness the two people who were there. One said she saw three gunmen; the other said she was walking alongside Nicholas Cruz when gunfire erupted in another part of the building. A false flag is the determination for rational minds, but Gramps is not a rational person, he's an emotional person, and therein lies his weakness in any and all political debates.

GrandpaS

Kids are in a high school being shot at, and in their panicked running, some observe/perceive things differently. It could happen. And watching the countless hours of coverage of this event, it would be rationally impossible to say that it was a rigged "black flag" event. Like I said, I quit.

oldhomey

Grandpa, I hope you don't quit out frustration. You have Buggs on the run. He is going crazy posting on this string, trying to stanch the flow of the truth that is coming from these young marchers. He is desperate, the NRA is desperate, but the die is cast for the future. Then upcoming generation of voters overwhelmingly is going to fight for a sane gun policy, and we shall have it.

Cassandra2

You are advocating for terrorism. Nice.
But you're wrong. These kids are organized and they are registering to vote. The NRA's time is done. These kids are the future leaders of the US.

Buggs Raplin

Dream on Cassie. Plenty of young people don't buy your chickenshit opinions.

GrandpaS

Wrong, Buggs. A huge number of young people, and their parents and grandparents, buy Cassie's opinions. Did you not watch the news yesterday about the almost 800 events IN ONE DAY? Did you not see the nearly 500,000 people assembled in DC?

johnnybragatti

God Bless the young folks of this great country of ours and well into : "the greatest generation".
Seeing a 16 year old "punk", as the old Geezers call "em, back down a U.S. Senator AND the NRA, was a helluva rush, by anyone"s standards.
Hope they come back every weekend !!!
God Bless the Youth,
think young...you"ll feel better and may even look better.

HonestAbe

They're just marching for -some- cause ... cuz their influences told them how they marched when they were younger. Nothing changes.
Your god comment make me chuckle ... god is the main reason we have wars. oye

random annoying bozo

ahhhh, nothing like a contrived and scripted, made for tv 'news', protest to get the lefties all puffed up with mock caring about someone or something besides themselves.

I especially like the so called 'celebrities' that live behind walls, have armed security personel protecting them and 'star' in shoot em up bang bang movies, telling us common folks we don't need, and shouldn't have, guns.

Buggs Raplin

A superb commentary; thank you

Cassandra2

What, Chippy, no conspiracy-laden rants today? No easily debunked claims about "fals flag" operations? What a pathetic loser.

Cassandra2

Bozo, you may not like the fact that the demonstrations dwarfed ANYTHING from the wingnut crowd, but get used to it. These kids are the new leaders of the country.

Buggs Raplin

Chickenshit. What absolute chickenshit.

oldhomey

A superb commentary? Right, Buggs. History is marching in direct opposition to the efforts of the NRA, as evil and corrupt an organization now as man has ever devised. Its day is about to be over. Bye bye, Wayne LaPierre.

joebadaxxe

There are just a few here making calm and rational comments. For the rest, climate change, school shootings and Russian collusion are just hoaxes put out by Soros and the liberal media. And trump loves the working man! He's going to MAGA! As per usual in the comment section, the empty barrel makes the most noise.

Redwall

At the time of this writing, a word search shows your comment to be the only one, out of 23 comments, to mention Trump. Do you make a fool out of yourself much?

Buggs Raplin

And you're a bullsh*t artist plying his trade. All comments below criticizing this media generated event have been calm and rational. You're just trying to claim anyone criticizing this event is wrong and irrational and over-heated.. And you, sir, are totally wrong in that. God, how much the propaganda media must love it, when they see comments like yours. A fool's interpretation of a tragedy.

Redwall

Why is a parent whose young children are experiencing anxiety, bring them to a rally "where voices were strong, words passionate and adrenaline high" to quote the Tribune.

How about a rally for common sense.

HonestAbe

Where's the fight in that? lol
All these walkers with signs are really bent in the head to believe they're making some sort of impact. Good they're getting some fresh air though.

oldhomey

It is good to see Redwall lay out his argument so carefully, unaware that it is making the exact point he is arguing against. But that is just Redwall. Clueless.

Redwall

Just the usual cast of Dems ginning up their base.

The Tribune crowd estimate at 1000 is ridiculous. 500 is probably a stretch.

Why no photos of the crowd?


oldhomey

Oh? Were you there, Redwall? What do you base YOUR estimate on?

mocha1

You can tell this is a liberal ideology driven agenda by the constant themes. It all comes down to banning guns especially the demonized ar15. Which if you were at all driven by data results in less deaths in the US than fists, hammers baseball bats and other blunt instruments. The other theme you see is demonizing the NRA and Republicans that take their support. Contrast this to democrats. They take millions from the abortion industry to continue the slaughter of millions of babies. Democrats actually take money from the baby killers. Republicans take money from a group that supports the whole constitution, not just the parts it likes. This organization has not killed anyone nor has its members been involved in any of the school shootings. Yet this has no no bearing on the arguments of a liberal ideology.

mocha1

More emotional nonsensical rhetoric from the left. These kids and the leftists that support them that are so afraid of not surviving school are again just showing the mania of liberalism. They have a much higher chance of being killed in a car accident, but they keep texting and drinking. Why are they not demonstrating against this demonstrated killer of thousands of students. When liberals are pushing their ideologies common sense has to be martyred.

GrandpaS

@ Mocha1: It's not common sense to try to reduce shootings in schools? Um.....yes it is. And Yes, it would also be common sense to struggle harder against texting and drinking while driving. There are campaigns, by the way, to discourage both of those things. All told, it sounds like you're saying that if we fight harder against texting while driving, then it's okay to ignore our mass shootings.

Buggs Raplin

I think any teacher with a conceal/carry license ought to be able to take his weapon into a classroom. But teachers who don't want to arm themselves have that right. The 'arming the teachers' issue misses the point. If you truly want to protect the children, you hire armed guards who are trained for that specific job. Someone quoted in the article reports young children being scared. Well, wouldn't a trained armed guard in the school lessen fear considerably? It is time we as a society realize that the idea of gun-free zones is ridiculous, and increases the danger for those in that zone.

oldhomey

Why was there no need for armed guards in schools when you were a child, Buggs? You know why. The NRA has carefully nurtured a gun culture in this country for the last 40 years, spinning it around red herring campaigns to overheat gullible imaginations such as your own in order to gin up gun sales, allowing the lunatic spread of assault rifles throughout our country. We didn't have mass school shootings before the 1977 hijacking of the NRA. Now they're becoming almost a monthly event. THAT is where we should be directing our political will and effort, to skin back the gun culture, get rid of the automatic weapons, install stiffer controls on all gun sales.

Buggs Raplin

I haven't yet seen any estimates of how many marched in Washington yesterday but I would bet it was a lot less than those who marched there in the early months of 2003 to try to stop our invasion of Iraq. The propaganda media muted their coverage of that protest because the invasion was on the elite agenda. The propaganda media is now falling all over themselves promoting gun control protests because disarming American citizens and destroying the 2nd Amendment is on the elite agenda. And there's nothing humanitarian about it on their part. The elite or Deep State is evil incarnate. It is always using the propaganda media for its purposes. Always. These protesters for gun control are being directly manipulated by the MSM to try to achieve a goal of the Deep State. It's a sad spectacle.

GrandpaS

"The propaganda media is now falling all over themselves promoting gun control protests because disarming American citizens and destroying the 2nd Amendment is on the elite agenda. And there's nothing humanitarian about it on their part. The elite or Deep State is evil incarnate. It is always using the propaganda media for its purposes. Always. These protesters for gun control are being directly manipulated by the MSM to try to achieve a goal of the Deep State. It's a sad spectacle. Buggs: You really buy into that, huh? I mean, really? Man...... I will tell you that I heard from the Deep State Media and it's gun-hating elitists (a couple hundred of them live in my basement) that they estimate about 138 million people were at the DC march yesterday, and that was before the 84,019 4 year-old kids showed up.

Buggs Raplin

Someone get Gramps a sedative.

Cassandra2

You're WRONG again, Chippy. Crowds were estimated to be larger than the Women's March and completely dwarfed Trump's pitiful inauguration crowd. You can rant ad fume and froth at the mouth as much as you like, but this is reality. These kids are the future leaders of the nation. Your time is done.

Buggs Raplin

Cassie, I was comparing the crowd to those protesting the Iraq invasion. Please try and pay attention.

oldhomey

Amen, Cassie.

GrandpaS

The argument is as simple as this, folks: MARCH FOR OUR LIVES. Amen.

GrandpaS

“They are tired of waiting,” (Jill) Billings said. “They want action, and they should .... I think schools and students have done their jobs, and it’s time for elected officials to do their jobs and have a backbone and be bold on this issue.” Precisely. Yes. And these kids and their supporters are pounding home the point that we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. FINALLY, these people are taking over for those who do nothing but make excuses and send "thoughts and prayers" when a whole group of innocent people gets killed. And they are taking on these continued endless, inaccurate and irresponsible excuses being made by so many people who absolutely do not comprehend that it may be their children or grandchildren who are killed next if this problem isn't addressed and alleviated as much as possible. KIDS: God bless you for taking up this vitally important cause. DO NOT BACK DOWN. When people keep making the same stupid excuses on why we shouldn't even try to do anything, leave them behind and continue your work. The number of people out working with you yesterday, in the US and around the world, is the information you need about how most people feel about your work. I cheer you on with my heart and my voice. I cannot imagine a more genuine problem for you to work against, and I - and hundreds of thousands of other people - stand behind you 100%. DO NOT BACK DOWN.

Climatehoax

pathetic group, I’ve seen photos of kids about 4 years old holding signs which I’m sure they have no idea the meaning. I’m sure the wretched parents scared the hell out of them with some horror story. A very well respected mental health professional often says ‘don’t put adult problems on kid’s shoulders’ . These protesters should be protesting the 49 times the system failed Cruz. Banning these guns will be the first step in banning all guns. I’m still waiting for the proof that the NRA supports school shootings. The NRA supports our constitution. A gun like this can be in a cabinet for a hundred years and no one will be hurt, no fewer humans will walk the earth because of that gun. How many fewer humans are walking the earth because of abortion? Sanctuary cities? Inaction on inner city killings? Allowing terrorists to come into our country?open boarders? Why do liberals only care about life when a mass shooter does the killing? One reason, GUN CONTROL, Hypocrites.

Tim Russell

Yesterday must have cost Soros a bunch of money!
Lol!

GrandpaS

The system did fail to control Cruz, and yes, that apathy among local authorities needs to be stopped. But the apathy toward those killings as shown by tens of thousands of Americans who absolutely resist the effort to even TRY to help this problem also needs to be addressed, and that's what yesterday's marchers were doing. Again, I can with them nothing but the best, and as I told Buggs, if you don't want to help reduce gun deaths, then don't. But most of us do, and the effort toward a safer country has begun. Join or don't.

Buggs Raplin

According to two students, there were multiple gunmen. It wasn't just Cruz, but you wouldn't know that from the propaganda media where you get your information.

oldhomey

According to more than 3,000 students, teachers and building staff at the high school that day, your two students are wrong, Buggs. They say there was a single gunman. I wonder who to believe, more than 3,000 eye witnesses, or two who think they saw something nobody else saw. Hmm.

GrandpaS

The NRA supports our gun industry.

oldhomey

It seems pretty evident, Climate, that you never had children or raised a child. Did you ever have a girlfriend? Or have guns been the sole object of your sexual desire all your life?

capedcrusader

I'm thinking your last sentence.

Buggs Raplin

These protesters have been duped by the propaganda media that Parkland was the result of a lone nut. It was not. It was a false flag black op with multiple gunmen. One student reported three shooters. Another said she was actually walking with the alleged shooter, Nicholas Cruz, when shots were fired in another part of the building. Gun violence is decreasing nationwide. Most gun deaths are suicides. Most of the rest are gang bangers killing each other over drugs. The people attending this protest were directly manipulated by the propaganda media to try to achieve a major goal of the Deep State-the disarming of the American people, and the destruction of the 2nd Amendment.-Chip DeNure

GrandpaS

Same old same old, Buggs. Over and over and over, innocent people are being killed by mass shooters, and the people of the US have decided "Enough is enough." If you want to sit on your porch and make excuses on why we don't have to reduce those mass shootings or suicides or gang-banger shootings, enjoy your time off. The rest of us are going to work. It's way overdue, but as of now, it's happening. Join or don't.

GrandpaS

And while you're sitting there on your porch, look up what it takes to initiate and pass a US Constitutional amendment. It takes a vote of 2/3's of Congress or 3/4's of the states just to initiate an amendment, and numbers just as big to pass it. Nobody's asking to destroy the 2nd Amendment, and even if they were, the numbers aren't there that would make that happen. All people are asking for is common sense, practical measures that will make it more difficult for people who should not have guns to get them. If the guy who lives next to you has a history of dementia, armed robbery, violent domestic abuse, or whatever, do you want him to be legally entitled to own a gun? Why?

Climatehoax

It wouldn’t matter, in one case I know people who should have done something were notified 49 frikin times and NOTHING was done. By all means let’s pass another law, pat our selves on the back, and let the killing continue.

GrandpaS

@ Climatehoax: I'm fine with enforcing existing laws. Of course we should do that. That's why they were passed. Which existing laws are you referring to?

Tim Russell

Lol!

RNeibuhr

These were your neighbors. They weren't duped by the "deep state." They aren't out to take away all guns. They didn't just decide to be for common-sense regulation because of Parkland. Most of us who are for gun control have been for years. They're people who have seen enough mass shootings to know that a 48 hour waiting period or a ban in high-capacity magazines is not the distruction of the second amendment, and it's not too much if an inconvenience. Your continued dismissal of the deaths of children as a hoax in these comments is beyond the pale. I don't care if you don't agree with many of these folks about gun control. But stop floating the absurd idea that shootings are a hoax and those who support reasonable limits have been duped. As a Christian, I pray that you will have a change of heart and learn to serve and care for others. As a human, I pray that you will get back in touch with reality. God Bless.

Buggs Raplin

The evidence shows Parkland a false flag. Believe the illusion if its more comforting.

capedcrusader

By "evidence", do you mean Alex Jones again?

Cassandra2

Please provide some of that alleged "evidence," Chippy. And while you're at it, provide some evidence to back up your claims about the Vegas Strip being "raked by gunfire." You can't do it. You are a pathetic, lying loser.

Buggs Raplin

By the way, I am a long time contributor to the Salvation Army and the Paralyzed Vets group.

RNeibuhr

Those are excellent charities, and I applaud your work there. I have donated to both myself. It doesn't excuse calling the deaths of children and the efforts of your neighbors and fellow Americans a "false flag." You don't seem eager to cite your sources, which is usually a clear indication that they are bogus or biased. So how about some real evidence? The evidence shows that countries with reasonable gun limits have far less mass shootings (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html). The evidence shows that the US has more gun deaths per capita than any industrialized nation (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/). The evidence shows that hunters can hunt just fine with single-shot manual action firearms (http://www.rifleshootermag.com/gun-culture/defending-single-shot-rifle/). The evidence shows that you're more likely to injure yourself with a gun that use it to defend your home (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/). You will probably dismiss the articles and studies above as evidence of a massive "deep state" conspiracy. Meanwhile, the rest of us would like to do something productive (and by the way, most of us don't want to take away guns from law-abiding gun owners). And if you want to live in a world of conspiracy theories, then I can only pray for you and pray that your influence on others is small.

oldhomey

Thank you, Mr. Neibuhr, for being sane, persuasive and absolutely, spot on correct.

Cassandra2

Another fact-free, lunatic rant from our local poster boy for universal mental health care, Chip DeNure. What a pathetic loser.

Buggs Raplin

At least this 'loser' gives his name, while you hide in anonymity, afraid, a chickenshit to tell us who you are.

kingman10

Glad to see people becoming activist and want to reduce gun violence for all. The politicians beholding to the NRA are feeling the heat and squirming in their seats. Hope they keep the pressure on, and in november those politicians get their walking papers.

GrandpaS

Did you hear the one speaker yesterday who said, "For those politicians who refuse to take action on this issue, prepare your resume's. You're going to be job hunting." YESS!!

Climatehoax

You and grandpa, so these guys are going to be voted out. You mean like Hillary was going to win the election? Like Trump would NEVER be elected? Like Walker was FOR SURE going to be recalled? I’d be careful what you wish for, the liberal agenda has been taking a good ol arse kicking lately.im sure the odds are moving toward favoring you, you can’t be wrong 100% of the time forever, but this may nit be the time either.

GrandpaS

You mean like Hillary was going to win the election? Like Trump would NEVER be elected?" No, we mean like how Roy Moore got beat by a Dem. Like how Conner Lamb beat a Republican in an area that has been flame red for decades. Enjoy.

El Duderino

People can’t own “weapons of war”, unless they’re the extremely rare and rich few that jump through tremendous hoops.

What in the hell is an “assault rifle”? Anything scary looking and can hold 10 or more rounds? Is it the capacity you people are worried about? The action of the firearms (e.g. semi-automatic vs. pump)? Do you want everything to be bolt actions and revolvers? Single-shots? What would you like to see happen? Are shotguns okay so I can hunt (which is not the reason for the 2A, by the way)?

The laws in place are NOT being enforced, is that gun-owners’ fault, too?

Not a single person I know has a bump stock, they’re a novelty and a tremendous waste of ammunition. If it’ll appease you people, then ban them—they’re pointless.

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oldhomey

Right. Pointless. Just like the AR-15 is a pointless weapon unless used to point at and eliminate human beings. It does not belong in the public realm, nor do any other semi-automatic assault style weapons. They stir your moviedom fantasies, perhaps, and certainly seem to stir the fantasies of sick young men who think they see themselves writing their names into immortality by using them to kill a maximum number of innocents. Get rid of them. And the message of millions of young people marching in that direction Saturday is that they are determined to make it political suicide to oppose getting rid of them. Three cheers for the young people of this country.

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