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Gov. Mark Dayton, D-Minnesota, and Gov. Scott Walker, R-Wisconsin

The governors of Wisconsin and Minnesota each presented their versions of new year’s resolutions in various media interviews last week. The comparison paints a stark contrast of where the states are headed in 2015.

Which approach is better? As we enter the new year, Minnesota is clearly winning by a long shot.

First, a little review. Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker were both elected in 2010. They both inherited an economic mess that was the product of a nationwide recession. They took decidedly different paths to deal with large deficits.

Walker — facing a 9.2 percent unemployment rate and a $3.6 billion deficit — and the Republican Legislature made massive spending cuts to public education and required most public employees to pay more for their health care and pensions. Some tax credits for lower income residents were reduced. Business tax incentives were added, and taxes were cut nearly $2 billion through a combination of income and property tax reductions.

Dayton grappled with a $5 billion deficit and after a grueling fight with Republicans that resulted in a government shutdown in 2011, the state balanced its budget in part by borrowing against its commitment to education aid. After the 2012 elections when Democrats took control of the Legislature, taxes were raised on the wealthiest Minnesotans and tobacco taxes were increased.

Walker’s tax plan reduced the highest rate for the wealthiest Wisconsinites from 7.75 to 7.65 percent and brought slight relief to all income levels. Dayton’s plan created a new rate of 9.850 percent for the top 2 percent of Minnesota’s wealthiest. His plan also increased tax credits for renters — the opposite of Wisconsin, where those tax credits were reduced. Dayton also signed a $508 million tax cut in 2014 of which $232 million was aimed at the middle class and $232 million was earmarked for the elimination of some business taxes.

Minnesota has increased its minimum wage to $9.50 an hour and has it indexed to increase with inflation. Walker has said he does not support raising the minimum wage.

Minnesota took Medicaid money and created its own health care marketplace, reducing the number of uninsured residents. Wisconsin rejected federal money, instead tweaking coverage to put some 80,000 people into the federal exchange. That cost the state an estimated $206 million over the past two years and an estimated $460 million through 2020.

The business-friendly policy embraced by Walker has resulted in private-sector job growth that continues to lag behind the national average. The latest 12-month period numbers that ended in June show Wisconsin 32nd in the nation in job growth. Minnesota was 26th. Minnesota’s jobless rate in November was 3.7 percent. Wisconsin’s was 5.2.

How else do the states compare? Forbes ranks Minnesota as the ninth best state for business, No. 7 in economic climate and No. 2 in quality of life. Wisconsin is ranked 32nd, 27 and 17 on the same measures. The cost of doing business in Minnesota is 0.2 percent below the national average. Wisconsin is 1.7 percent above the average. The median household income in Minnesota is about $60,000. It’s just below $52,000 in Wisconsin.

Clearly the ideology of both governors and legislatures steered the course. Walker is one of the nation’s most conservative governors who has eagerly embraced policies and ideas driven by the American Legislative Exchange Council. Wisconsin has become a national laboratory for ALEC policies. Dayton and the DFL have taken a more traditional liberal approach of taxing the rich, but then aimed tax cuts at the middle class as soon as the economy improved.

While Wisconsin faces an estimated $2 billion deficit — including a $750 million deficit in transportation spending — Minnesota has a $1.2 billion surplus. Minnesota has the luxury of being able to invest in its state; Wisconsin faces some challenging spending decisions.

The needs in the states are similar. Both have long-neglected transportation needs. Dayton has a very specific plan of raising gas taxes to pay for transportation. Walker has declined to say whether he would support any tax increases to pay for Wisconsin’s transportation needs.

The governors have vastly different views on funding education. Under Walker, Wisconsin has been a leader in cutting education spending. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities analyzed state school funding from 2008 through 2014 and found that Wisconsin ranked No. 2 in the nation — behind only Alabama — with a $1,038 spending per student decrease. Minnesota was one of a handful of states that actually increases spending during that time — just barely — by $30.

Minnesota will use $246 million of its surplus to pay the last of $2.8 million that was taken from school funding during the recession. That puts the schools back to normal state funding. Walker will not say whether public schools or the UW System — which took a $1.2 billion funding cut during Walker’s first administration — will receive additional money.

Minnesota certainly benefits from the economic catalyst of the Twin Cities, while Wisconsin has to drag along the economically challenged Milwaukee. Conservatives also will say that Walker has made progress on turning around a state with a tax-hell reputation and would have made even more progress without the uncertainty of a recall election. And they will say there will be longer-term consequences for Minnesota’s tax increases.

But what about jobs? An analysis done by Menzie Chinn, a University of Wisconsin economist, measured private nonfarm job growth in four states — California, Wisconsin, Kansas and Minnesota — that elected new governors in 2010. Wisconsin and Kansas are ALEC-friendly. Minnesota and California are not. Minnesota was ranked 46th and California ranked 47th on an ALEC-economic index that measures taxes, public employees per capita, minimum wage and right-to-work law — among others. Yet those states grew more jobs than Kansas (ranked 15th) and Wisconsin (ranked 17th).

Chinn compared ALEC rankings to all 50 states and found the same correlation. States that received a higher ALEC ranking on how it was expected to perform economically based on 15 policy areas had worse economic growth when it comes to creating jobs.

Which state is in better shape as we head in 2015? Economic measures of income and employment clearly favor Minnesota. At least Wisconsin has the Packers.

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teddyj

I'd rather see Walker asking someone, "Would you like fries with that?"

That's one of those high paying jobs he created there.

teddyj

It's obvious he would devalue education. Walkers's got that wonderful high school diploma to help him make all those wonderful decisions. Now he's got a Nation to ruin so Wisconsin's budget isn't really at the top of his priorities right now. Say where's the surplus we were going to have? It's in the same place as his "jobs created" promise.

TheWoodMan

If you go to The Dept of Numbers http://www.deptofnumbers.com/employment/states/
you will see that Minnesota added 6,600 jobs in 2014, while Wisconsin added 20,900 jobs in 2014. Let's get all the facts and get them straight!!

AirForce Retired

Do you honestly believe there is such a actual thing as department of numbers? It's just another site made up by someone who wants to pretend to be relevant. It's nonsense. Why the phony Department nomenclature. To pretend to be government? Nonsense and the people who believe it are full of nonsense as well.

RemoteEmployee

George Orwell would be so proud. The Dept of Numbers? You have got to be kidding. For a reality check, read this site: http://mn.gov/deed/newscenter/press-releases/newsdetail.jsp?id=466-136407

Comment deleted.
jharrimjr

blah blah blah blah. spew your propaganda from your thuglican sources elsewhere, snow blow.

Clarification

"Department of Numbers is a repository for real-time social, economic and financial data relevant to the broad public. We take data from government, agency and web sources and provide simple, contextual analysis at multiple geographic levels (e.g. national, state and metro).

Department of Numbers is maintained by Ben Engebreth.... No warranty or guarantee of accuracy is offered or implied."

Source: Dept of numbers, better known as just some guy.

TheWoodMan

What ever happened to responsible journalism? The article states that Wisconsin faces a $2billion deficit, a figure often used in the Burke campaign. Politifact disproved this lie and labeled it "Pants on Fire" for 2014. The author obviously subscribes to the Liberal philosophy that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. Please fact check before publishing and don't just pull "facts" off of the Internet.

Report from the Wisconsin Department of Administration breaks down the deficit. http://doa.wi.gov/Documents/DEBF/Budget/Biennial%20Budget/November20Report.pdf

Redwall

From the report cited:

"Wisconsin continues to manage its budget within the means of the taxpayers."
"While this [projected $2 million deficit] represents the traditional method for such calculations, such figures are derived from the assumption that ALL agency budget requests will be funded in their entireties. This is a flawed assumption."

In other words, this report compares a revenue projection against a wish list of spending from all the state bureaucrats and arrives at the surprising conclusion that if everyone got everything they asked for the State would go broke. Shocking. In reality, the wish list is managed and reduced to a lesser, affordable, total. If the total were not managed, then the result would be Illinois-like, a scenario Walker is not going to allow.

The Tribune neglected to mention the Wisconsin Retirement System (very important to public employees) is funded better than any other state's pension, including, by far, Minnesota (Morningstar).

AirForce Retired

But walker us using a 2.5 billion deficit himself so I guess he's a liar as well.

ChopChop

And there are the facts, folks! Democracy is creating jobs and a thriving economy in Minnesota. While here in Wisconsin, things continue to get worse as Walker turns the state into a Plutocracy. The new Wisconsin state motto: "Winning the race to the bottom."

looneytune

That is some convoluted logic. Those republicans live in a snow-globe of horse poop. Shake it now and then and send the horse poop flying all over again.

looneytune

That is some convoluted logic. Those repubs live in a snow-globe of horseshit. Shake it now and then and send the horseshit flying all over again.

Ben Burnt

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Reading these comments I am reminded of my 1st & 2nd grade school days more than 60 years ago. Why enrage each other; that solves nothing? The tax payers and citizens need to join together to solve the problems and they are many. Whether you are Democrat or Republican (or something else), makes no difference. The biggest problem that must be solved is that we as citizen have let "Big Corporate America" take over the running of this country. We did this in spite of President Eisenhower's warning to be vigilant of the "Military-Industrial Complex.

Please put your efforts into solving the problem of "Big Corporate America".

Ben Burnt

MinnesotaNice

Take Madison out of Wisconsin's economy and your State doesn't look that great. Why is Madison doing so well? Education. I would hate to see Wisconsin become a clone of the typical Southern Red State, poor education, poor economy, high unemployment, high federal government assistance and low regard for the environment. I see the path forward under Walker policies to make Wisconsin more like West Virginia than Minnesota. Lower taxes, dumb down the public and rape the land. Minnesota path is to hold the line on taxes, support education, protect and be responsible with our natural resources and environment. Wisconsin has a big brother to look up to and will eventually see the light as more results and comparisons point to the clear path to success that Minnesota takes. Maybe we can learn a little about football in exchange for some ideas about responsible job growth?

lostinparadize

Wow! Where to begin? Last time I checked, Mn had active ore mines and evidently were raping the land and destroying the environment. Did your governor not recently raise taxes on the upper brackets? Income levels aside, it is still a tax increase, no? Why did the dems, DFLers or whatever the name just lose control of the house in your state legislature last fall if the folks were all warm and fuzzy with the way things have been going under Dayton? And finally, there is not enough time left in the world to teach you Minnesotans what needs to be learned about football! Go Pack! Go Walker !

Deadwood subscriber

Almost there, @lostinpardize. Now defend Gov Walker's actions regarding education.

lostinparadize

Deadwood, has WI slipped dramatically since Walkers actions ? Time will tell. Please come back with your jabs and blather when you have definitive proof. I'm neither defending nor condemning Walkers action on education, merely rebutting some statements about MN.

Redwall

Well, well, this IS progress from the Tribune. Usually the writers cherry-pick numbers they have little understanding of, combine them with their innate biases, and print the mess as "news". Here they at least printed same on the editorial page. Good Job! Who says you don't know your way around a newspaper!

Of course, the unread masses (that is, those relying on the Tribune for their daily dose of propaganda and bitterness) lap this stuff up like a dog lapping up beer.

TeapartiesR4L'ilGirls

Redwall--like most of your comments, you avoid specifically identifying the issue you disagree with and providing evidence to support your position. This is basic junior high level writing. There is nothing specific from this editorial you have discussed.
Many of the familiar informal fallacies are fallacies of relevance, for example:
Personal attacks (arguments ad hominem) attempt to discredit a point of view by discrediting the person that holds it. The character of the person that holds a view, though, entails nothing about the truth of that view. Such arguments therefore commit a fallacy of relevance.

Redwall

"Many of the familiar informal fallacies are fallacies of relevance.."

Wow, you prove a thesaurus can be a dangerous tool in the wrong hangs.

I generally have little interest is sparring with the knotheads on this site. I would rather take the Tribune to task for its literary malpractice. Its so much easier.

Deadwood subscriber

"...lap this stuff up like a dog lapping up beer."

Most dogs don't enjoy beer. The bitterness from the hops and alcohol burn is off-putting to them. If dogs do deign to drink beer, it is usually darker, maltier stuff.

That said, dogs love wort. Homebrewers will share unhopped, alcohol-free wort with their dogs and then regret the ensuing canine sugar rush.

Redwall

My labs love beer. I have to cut them off after two.

Jobaba

Dayton graduated from Yale. Scoot got punked with a fake Koch phone call.

Redwall

And let me guess. You failed to graduate.

Deadwood subscriber

Irrelevant. It's like accusing *you* of failing to graduate.

Try something like, "many politicians, left and right, have been punk'd by prank phone calls. Try again."

Or: keep trolling.

GrandpaS

This article comparing Minnesota's situation to Wisconsin's, and then you can throw in this from a speech by Jennifer Schilling a couple days before Christmas, 2014: "Just a few days ago, a shocking new audit revealed that Wisconsin taxpayers who were trying to access temporary unemployment assistance had their phone calls blocked by Governor Walker’s administration. In fact, 1.7 million phone calls were blocked in the past fiscal year alone."
Any questions about whose side our governor is on?

Redwall

Did silly Jenn tell you the Walker administration implemented a new computer system two months ago to allow these initial claims to now be filed on-line? The calls were "blocked" by the old phone system which couldnt handle the volume of calls during heavy times. This is the same phone system used by the prior Dem administration.

Relying on Jenifer Schilling for your news is almost as bad as relying on the Tribune.

Egad.

GrandpaS

I was on unemployment for a while in 2012, and I did all my filing on line back then. Are you referring to a NEW computer system or an upgrade of the old one? And just so you can sleep at night, I'm working again. Have been since fall of 2012. I know you're convinced most "loony liberals" don't work.

Deadwood subscriber

+1

Redwall

I am delighted for you. May you have a happy and prosperous 2015!

Union Man

yep...that'll be next...the dark side will create a voucher system for the University's

Redwall

Sorry, Its already been done...by the feds...they do not discriminate between public and private universities when doling out the money. Its been that way for decades.

fish37

$2.8 BILLION deficit compare to Minn. SURPLUS Great job wanker

Captain America

I prefer it this way. The government having LESS of our tax dollars than they wanted.

fish37

I guess you didnt know a deficit is bad

Deadwood subscriber

+1

tower

Scooter's minions will try to twist and scape goat this story any which way but they can't change the facts that MN is eating our lunch. We have become another example that the Vienna School of economics doesn't work. All this nonsense that we can conserve our way out of anything is total BS. I understand conservatives are really slow learners but come on man, this is getting a little stupid, even for you guys. What you want is not working and will never work, period. As Dr. Phil always says, past actions are a pretty good indicator of future actions.

Redwall

Dr. Phill huh?...nice way to enhance your credibility.

tower

I think he is better able to determine this than Penn & Tellor the way Mach came up with the other day.

newsreader67

More MKE things not drags on WI: Summerfest, Pride Fest, Arab World Fest, Polish Fest, Festa Italiana, African World Festival, Mexican Fiesta, German Fest, Irish Fest, Bastille Days, State Fair, Lakefront Festival of Arts, many new luxury condo high-rises along Prospect Avenue overlooking Lake Michigan, as well as the Moderne downtown and the Couture about to begin construction on the lakefront.

newsreader67

While I agree that Minnesota is on the right track compared to Wisconsin, I don't agree with the claim that Milwaukee is economically challenged and a drag on WI. I see that the stereotype of Milwaukee is alive and well in La Crosse. GE Healthcare, Rockwell Automation, Johnson Controls, Harley-Davidson, Briggs & Stratton, Northwestern Mutual, Fiserv, MGIC, A.O. Smith, Miller Brewing, Bon-Ton, Milwaukee Tool, Carmex, Master Lock, Kohl's, U.S. Bank, ABB, Siemens, Brady, Quad Graphics, Falk, Sensient, Generac, Astronautics Corp. of America, Joy Global, Robert W. Baird & Co., The Brewers, The Bucks, The Zoo, The Milwaukee Ballet, Florentine Opera, Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra, Milwaukee Art Museum, and Manpower will likely also disagree with you. (Nearby Trek, Kohler, S.C. Johnson, Case, Jockey, Evinrude, Diversey, Mercury Marine, Allen Edmonds, Bemis, Burger Boat Co., Johnsonville, West Bend, Oshkosh, Manitowoc, Kimberly Clark, Fort Howard, Schneider National, and Snap-on Tools, too.)

tower

While I tend to understand what you say I think we must be honest and say the article is right about Milw. There is no comparison to the Twin Cities. Mostly that has to do with Milw relying on heavy manufacturing while the TC went another way (more high tech).
At one time Milw ranked 7th in heavy manufacturing. Much of the problem comes from the burbs choking Milw and refusing to interact with them. Take a look at the transportation systems in both. In Milw the buses don't go to the burbs while the TC has an advanced system making it easy to get around and go to jobs. Both states have somewhat the same out state attitude of their metro areas but that us vs them is stronger in WI.

newsreader67

The article isn't about the supremacy of Minneapolis over Milwaukee. The one and only comment about Milwaukee is that it is a drag on the economy. That is undeniably false. It was completely short-sighted and foolish to publish that statement. I wish people would stop comparing Milwaukee to Minneapolis. Apples to Oranges.

Deadwood subscriber

1. That MKE is a drag on WI is not "undeniably false." Not saying it is true, just that it's not "undeniably false."

2. If you wish people would stop comparing MKE to MSP, why do *you* continue to do so? E.g., mentioning all the high-tech production in MKE?

3. "...[T]hat Milwaukee is an economic drag then complicates the entire argument..." is hogwash. There is information about education, taxes, deficits, legislation, transportation, and so forth. Even if you are correct about MKE, it doesn't obviate all the other points in the article.

Redwall

Milwstinky is important because it skews the numbers on every facet of the discussion.

For example, WI typically ranks 3rd in secondary education test scores behind MN and Iowa. Take Milstinky scores out of the WI numbers and we are #1.

newsreader67

These companies and many others are producing high tech equipment or services: Fiserv, Rockwell, GE, Johnson Controls, Astronautics, Siemans, Briggs & Stratton, etc. The article contends that a Republican governor's economic strategy is inferior to a Democratic governor's economic strategy. The paper's claim that Milwaukee is an economic drag then complicates the entire argument that the difference between the two States is based on political views.

midcentury

Yes Minnesota and the Twin cities have embraced the progresive walk and it's paying off- Art-Commerce and Transportation Hi Tech etc.
Alec is regressive and needs to be held accountable for what they have done to Wisc and also where does the Eastern side of the state "talk radio " thought control play into this ? Alec's mega phone of talking points

wilbur25

Milwaukee is a drag on the economy, 50 per cent of the City is non-productive, someone has to pick up the tab. Rather than trying to support the Bucks maybe the legislature should try to support MPS.

668 The Neighbor of the Beast


The Medicaid expansion is far less attractive to those states with minimal programs, where already eligible people will likely come out of the woodwork to sign on to the system, driving up the costs for the state itself. This has already been proven true in Minnesota, which expanded its program early. This adds up to a huge chunk of change for states that already have Medicaid programs overburdened thanks to the recession and doctors who cannot see all the patients.
*****
Medicaid numbers spike in Minnesota
Article by: WARREN WOLFE , Star Tribune

The number of Minnesotans on Medicaid is growing faster than in most other states, and so is the cost. The number of Minnesotans on Medicaid shot up at nearly twice the national rate over the past two years, while state costs soared by 40 percent to surpass $4 billion for the first time. In 2014, Minnesota's Medicaid costs are expected to rise by about 10 percent, surpassing $4.4 billion, while the federal share is forecast to soar 23 percent to $5.1 billion with the program's expansion.

In many states, Medicaid is the largest single portion of state spending, at nearly a quarter of state budgets, and some states are struggling to control costs by cutting provider payments, drug costs and other benefits, the report said.

Despite those efforts and the start of economic recovery, it said, "Medicaid will continue to be a significant fiscal challenge to states."

668 The Neighbor of the Beast


As Dennis Smith, head of Wisconsin’s Medicaid program, writes here:

Those who support expanding Medicaid insist that a state cannot pass up “free” federal money or that if we don’t expand, the money will go to another state. This is the kind of thinking that got us into the deficit and debt troubles we are in. First, there is no such thing as “free” federal money. The federal government has no money of its own and it gets the money it spends from the same people the state government does. Regardless of who the tax collector is, the impact on the taxpayer is the same. Second, Wisconsin won’t “lose” Medicaid dollars to other states as some argue because each state gets its share of federal Medicaid funding regardless of what happens in another state. Finally, hospitals, doctors, and other health care professionals would receive higher payments under the new tax credits that will be used to purchase private insurance rather than under Medicaid.

drwho

The questionably credible Dennis Smith is the former head of Wis DHFS. Read about his departure here:

http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/state-health-services-head-dennis-smith-resigns-to-take-job/article_b2e2983e-7d0a-11e2-af93-0019bb2963f4.html

tower

What do you expect from Dennis? He was one of the people who decided this. The pure facts are that the states that accepted the money, like Ohio with a conservative governor, are doing way better than WI. Smith's ideas of reforming Medicaid, which we were told was done by Thompson improving it, is to throw people off the system. That is one way to keep the numbers down.

250000 New Jobs

"Smith's resignation comes just days after new developments in an ongoing domestic violence case in which a man who in August allegedly tried to kill his wife, then a DHS employee, has accused her of having an affair with Smith.

In an affidavit filed Tuesday, the husband, Andrew D. Spear, alleges that he saw an email exchange between his wife, Mary, and Smith in which she declared her love for Smith and wondered if he was leaving her."

allcav

My bumper sticker comment: My apples are better than your oranges.

tower

Except that they were comparing apples to apples.

Deadwood subscriber

+1 to @tower.

My reply bumper sticker: I'd rather have your apples than my oranges.

Jay Eagle

What many conservative voters don't realize is that the real consequences of their poor choice in governor and his policies are yet to be realized. It takes years to ruin a school system. The people of Wisconsin won't see how big a mistake they are making for another 10 years. It doesn't happen overnight. So too with the destruction of unions and this push for Right-To-Work (for less). As wages dip, so too will the spending power of the people working, which will lead to recession. And so the downhill spiral gears up. Poor education system combined with low wages makes you think of what part of the country?

foxvalleymale75

Jay PLEASE don't use the phrase "the people of WI" The Republicans realize full well what they are doing. They would love nothing better than to create an environment that privatizes the school systems so the poor get the lesser education and the rich get what is not affordable to the rich IE college educations. At best its control the middle class and poor by ignorance.

Deadwood subscriber

@foxvalleymale, you are correct that the GOP knows what they are doing (and by that I mean they know what they intend to do, not that they have great ideas). But @jayeagle is also correct when s/he talks about "the people of WI."

"the people of WI" do not equal "the Republicans".

Redwall

Gee, I am really dreading the day when we slip from #3 to #4 in secondary education. How terrible.

Matt Davis

Republicans always claim to be the most fiscally responsible, but they are not. Their policies create economic instability. Voters elect them over and over due not to some great advance they've seen personally in their quality of life, but rather because they are told that if just more people would vote Republican, they'd finally have the power to change it for the better. The Democrats missed their biggest opportunity in 2008. They should have just sidelined every candidate and let the Republicans have both houses and the Presidency, forcing them to try to clean up their own economic mess. Yes, the consequences would have been horrible, but at least the argument that Republican economics are valid would be over once and for all, as would the party. Personally, I prefer a system where most people are economically secure or better over one where a tiny majority become insanely wealthy at the expense of the many.

Redwall

The economic polices of both parties on the national lever have been terrible.

RemoteEmployee

Au contraire, my dear:
Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents

Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)

Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents (If you invested $100k for 40 years of Republican administrations you had $126k at the end, if you invested $100k for 40 years of Democrat administrations you had $3.9M at the end)

Republican presidents added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents

The two times the economy steered into the ditch (Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican, laissez faire administrations

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/10/10/want-a-better-economy-history-says-vote-democrat/

668 The Neighbor of the Beast


In 2014, the best school systems in the United States have Minnesota rated at #8 and Wisconsin at #9. But yet Wisconsin has MORE school teachers per capita than Minnesota. How does throwing more money at this improve us when we already have more teachers per capita than Minnesota? The school systems waste our money. The La Crosse school district has secretaries that work for the secretaries! Central High has how many vice principals??

Minnesota has also spent around $1,000 dollars LESS per pupil than Wisconsin.

www.governing.com

drwho

Not sure how much to trust "governing.com", a site (and magazine) apparently owned by the Church of Scientology.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/business/media/23govern.html

foxvalleymale75

Any RAG MAG owned by CHURCH of Scientology is VERY slanted to the Republican point of View as the two go hand in hand.

Deadwood subscriber

+1.

@668 just had his/her argument invalidated.

Teddy Cruz

Just think how much money is wasted on education by the belief that we need to educate girls.

Redwall

Actually, if you look at secondary school test scores, MN #1, Iowa #2, WI #3.

A fraction of a point separates them.

choker

I would bet that Minnesota's wealthy but "heavily taxed" 2% have never been wealthier under their Democratic governor and our Democratic President. To quote somebody, "If you want to live like a Republican vote for a Democrat."

668 The Neighbor of the Beast


State's job growth lags behind Midwest neighbors
StarTribune September 26, 2014

Minnesota ranks last in the Midwest in private sector job growth, according to new federal data that shows employers adding positions much more slowly than in previous years.

The new numbers, from a quarterly census that is considered more reliable than the figures the state releases each month, show Minnesota adding fewer jobs than labor market economists previously thought in almost every industry.

Job gains in 2014 in Minnesota have been tepid so far. The state has added only 12,300 jobs since January 2014, according to monthly figures, and the latest quarterly numbers revise away some of the huge gains in the fall of 2013.

The new figures from March 2014 come from the Department of Labor’s Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages, and they stand in contrast to the monthly reports released over the past 18 months, echoing a controversy that’s reared its head in Wisconsin politics.

It now appears the monthly figures, estimates based on surveys of businesses from the Current Employment Statistics program, have overstated private job growth in Minnesota by double from March 2013 to March 2014.


*Minnesota also leads Wisconsin in state and local government jobs per capita.

restofstory

Excellent post. Thanks for doing the leg work. The discussion needs to continue as to jobs created by government vs. private sector jobs. One is paid for by taxes. Guess which one???

ThomasPaineJefferson

Don Weber and LH1 are paid for by tax dollars too.......

Deadwood subscriber

Both.

Ever head of subsidies? Tax breaks? Pork barrel spending?

Condor Kid

Walker will continue to slice into the pockets and lives of the poor. He will continue to allow his buddies to slice into the crust of Earth; destroying the landscape, polluting soil and water through over-mining. He will create just as many jobs as the people can pay for and will somehow make those numbers look better. He may be relying on a "calling from above" on that last one!

The Veteran

One has to guess at the number of the editorial board members whose names appear on the recall Walker signup list.My guess is most!!!!!!

TeapartiesR4L'ilGirls

Of course a comment by Veteran does not include any discussion about the points made in the editorial. He cannot engage in a meaningful debate on facts.

The Veteran

lil girl How about this fact the state's lower chamber is now republican controlled,one would think if things are so great over there that this would not have happened.But I do not worry about another state when there is still so much to turn around from when the liberal loons were so badly mismanaging this state.At least I can sleep better at night knowing that the majority of voters feel the same as I do.Must be hard trying to defend a rejected point of view repeatedly!!!!

TeapartiesR4L'ilGirls

Wow, Veteran, I didn't imagine that you were even this ignorant to make such an illogical statement. The only thing somewhat correct in your statement is there is a great deal to turn around in this state. It is sad that we are in a worse situation than our neighbor, who had a similar situation in 2010.

Your conclusion that the fact the Minnesota lower house flipped to GOP control is an indication that things are not that great is laughable. It is a basic logical fallacy--type discussed in a junior high basic writing class. Facts that provide evidence on the health of the state include projected deficits, unemployment, etc.

Cassandra

Guessing, speculation, attempted slander without any provision of facts. One could guess that you are a drug dealer and a domestic abuser, but without any facts or proof to back it up that guess carries as much weight as your statement above.

iris

Why don't you look at the petition online and report back.

Opus

So what....so what if editorial board members names are the list? I would hope it IS most!
Because if most of their names are on the list, it shows that they are paying attention to what is happening in both Wisconsin and Minnesota...it shows that they look at facts rather than party propaganda....it shows that they truly looked at history and saw that both states were in trouble due to nationwide economic conditions....I would also guess that they are also smart enough to realize that the minuscule gains Wisconsin has had are most likely due to a strong nationwide economy - that is the result of "liberal" president's leadership.

midcentury

ditto

tower

Even a fool like you should know that isn't true. If a reporter can be disciplined for donating money to a campaign than I doubt anyone of them signed anything. What a dolt.

restofstory

Right. How do you spell unbiased? I spell it MSNBC...

Redwall

Yes, and whether they are on the list or not, they are obvious Dem. cheerleaders.

The hilarious thing is after all the mud the Fibune threw at Walker, they chickened out when they didnt endorse Burke for gov.

Cassandra

For the die-hard Walker wankers, facts will do nothing to sway them. In the end, it's not about succeeding in providing for the people of the state, it is simply about holding onto power and controlling other peoples' lives.

Redwall

Most of the trended comparisons made in this editorial have their roots in history long before anyone ever heard of Walker or Dayton. History didn't begin with the recession and it won't end today. As an economic evaluation this editorial is really disturbingly shallow and tainted with obvious bias.

I suppose next week the Tribune will treat us with a comparison to our other border state neighbors Illinois and Michigan? Apparently the editorial board's myopic view only allows them to see as far as the Mississippi River.

Whenever the Tribune starts with the reciting of numbers, ones eyes have to roll. La Crosse deserves a better newspaper.

drwho

And Wisconsin deserves a better governor.

Homemade

I'm from Minnesta. Couldn't agree more.

fish37

Then don't read it

Redwall

I cancelled my subscription in 2011.

Tim Russell

This is just typical Redwall. When someone expresses a view point that runs counter to his "agenda", he shouts out that they are either corrupt or incompetent without providing a scintilla of evidence to support his scurrilous claim. At least this editorial provides some evidence to support it's expressed view unlike you.
He really does think he is the smartest person in the world.

GrandpaS

"Whenever the Tribune starts with the reciting of numbers, ones eyes have to roll. La Crosse deserves a better newspaper." I'm not sure, but I think it's only die-hard conservatives who would conclude that citing actual numbers would make your eyes roll and that citing numbers would make the Trib a bad newspaper. Numbers?!? Yeah, who wants to form opinions and make decisions based on numbers? Intelligent, thinking people, that's who.

Redwall

The numbers are cherry-picked and the analysis by the Tribune is woeful. For example MNCare has been a near disaster from the start, while the Tribune only prints the positive aspects.

Anyone that thinks either party has all the answers is a fool.

Tim Russell

Again with a scurrilous claim but nothing to back it up with. Typical Redwall.

Deadwood subscriber

"Most of the trended comparisons made in this editorial have their roots in history long before anyone ever heard of Walker or Dayton."

So, Wisconsin's problems are... Gov Thompson's fault?

Minnesota's success are due to... Gov Ventura?

Also, Wisconsin and Minnesota have much more in common than WI/IL and WI/MI. Certainly you'd agree with that.

Redwall

Yes, Thompson, Ventura, among many others.

TeapartiesR4L'ilGirls

Couldn't be more clear. Maybe even some of the usual conservative fools who chime in will understand.

GrandpaS

Nah, they won't.

fish37

Facts are Facts...

jharrimjr

Gee, no big surprises here. Darth Walker and the Dark Side keep running WI into the ground and leaders who aren't owned by the Koch brothers bring prosperity to the little guy. Recall Walker!

Condor Kid

Soon there will be no ground left to be run into!

restofstory

Why not try again. Let's see, 0 for 3... You are a joke and so is your liberal agenda. Move to Minnesota. Please...

Deadwood subscriber

"...0 for 3..."

Because winning elections = being right.

America has NEVER had a bad elected politician.

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