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Rick Czeczok

When will this worthless political madness stop. How about fixing the economy and getting injections in peoples arms. Something that really matters

oldhomey

Finally! Ricky has seen the light and now realizes the total failure of the Trump administration in handling the pandemic! He understands that Trump ignored the things that really mattered, leaving Joe Biden way behind the schedule the nation should have been by this time in getting people vaccinated. Never again, right Ricky? Let's hope the GOP sees the light and convicts Trump in the upcoming trial, declaring that worthless, incapable nincompoop ineligible to ever run for any public office again in his life. Then let the criminal investigations of him proceed.

Reallygetaclue

When do masks end Mr. Evers ? What is our goal ? Why can't we have something to shoot for ? Wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands, etc... WE GET THAT ! But yet keeping things in lockdown ? Businesses restricted ? Life not resuming to somewhat normal routines for parents and kids ?

oldhomey

Get the rate of transmission down, get the number of vaccinations sped up and you will see a return to normal routines by the end of the year, Really. That has been the stated goal since early last year by responsible health officials battling the virus. It would have helped a great deal if the leader of the nation at that time had adopted it as his goal and urged the American public -- everybody, including you -- to follow the guidelines. We probably would be looking at this summer as the end goal if it had been the case, but now the end of the year seems more feasible.

TalksWithAngels

"We can turn the numbers upside down and inside out, but no matter how we examine them, there is no evidence of masks correlating with reduced spread. If anything, the opposite is true … It's self-evident that the virus does what it does naturally and follows a very mechanical pattern regardless of state policies …

The phony 'fact checkers' will always find ways to show that we can't prove beyond a shadow of doubt that masks will never work. But while they force us to prove 100% that they don't work, mandaters don't have to prove any efficacy at all, even as 2-year-olds are forced to have their faces covered on planes."

crank

RNeibuhr said she had data which proved the mask mandates lowered case rates in a comment under another article. I asked her to cite the source so I could review the data myself. She disappeared without ever providing the source.

If you review the comments below, they're long on political platitudes and short on actual concrete data with proof the governor's order has reduced COVID cases.

That said, when we look around do we see people wearing or not wearing masks based upon the Governor's order or the legislature removing the order? I haven't observed any change in behavior. Everywhere I go, people are still wearing masks where appropriate (appropriate exceptions...e.g. they're eating, in the dentist's chair). The mask mandate has been in place for months. It was struck down in court and voted down in the legislature but it was then re-instated immediately by the Governor; in essence this mask mandate has been left in place for the duration.

Though the legislature maintains the Governor doesn't have the authority to issue the order and extend it, the order has been allowed to remain in place. (Hint: This isn't about masks and Masterpiece Cake Shop vs. Colorado wasn't about a cake.)

Union Man

You go Governor Evers, republicans could loose an arm and swear to God they still had both arms

Mobley

Thank you Governor Evers! Good to know an adult is in charge.

Pamela T

The GOP didn't expect Evers to use the GOP's own tactic, namely simply doing something over, and over, and over, and over.

wakeup

Thank you, Governor Evers. The majority of Wisconsin voters support strong COVID health protection measures.

crank

Yes! Indeed we do!

LocalObserver

Once again I find myself in the unfamiliar position of agreeing completely with the Democrats. Mask mandates are just common sense but our current crop of state Republicans seem to have just one purpose: oppose every single thing the Democrat Governor does whether it makes sense or not.

Gram2jalen

Way to go, Gov Evers! Just continue to issue 60 day emergency mandates, which will show everyone the Republicans for what they are.

crank

How 'bout sharing the details of today's order? When does the order expire?

Has anyone started wearing or stopped wearing masks based upon the actions of either the Governor or the Legislature in recent days?

I predict the legislature will vote again to strike down the Governor's order or challenge the order in court. The vote or ruling against his latest order will be timed to strike down the order just a few days before it is set to expire. The net result is we will still have a mask mandate but maintain as a matter of law and legal precedent the Governor issued the mandate illegally.

This ain't about masks any more than Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission was about cake.

oldhomey

So this is not about masks? I suppose not. It is about the government providing leadership to protect the health and well-being of the general public during a public health emergency. Those trying to oppose it are politicizing the health emergency, thinking they are pleasing their base by framing it as an assault on the liberty of individuals to decide whether or not they will cooperate in conforming to temporary rules of public behavior until the health emergency passes. There is plenty of established precedent for the government to impose temporary rules for the duration of an emergency situation. There are also plenty of louts who think the world revolves only around themselves, having no interest in joining the effort to assure the safety of everybody.

And no, the Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission was not, as you correctly started, about cake. It was about treating all people in our society with dignity and equal rights.

Pamela T

Correct. Masterpiece Cakeshop was another example of right wing cancel culture. I mean, the right wing invented cancel culture, after all. American Cancel Family Association, anyone? The Original Right Wing Cancel Culture Outfit.

The modern right wing hates freedom with a passion. But putting on petty acts like opposing masks gives them a chance to pretend to care about freedom, and sound as if they actually mean it.

crank

Pamela, this statement really strikes me as an example of the “destroy the other side” tactic you claim is only employed by the other guys. Didn’t the left try to ‘cancel’ and destroy the owner of the cake shop? Freedom you say? Cura te ipsum, Pamela.

crank

I don’t view wearing a mask as an assault on liberty. I definitely viewed the Governor’s order to close businesses, forcing some into bankruptcy, to be an assault on liberty. It is a matter of degree. As a matter of law and precedent, the case is not about masks being an assault on liberty. It is an issue of the Governor’s authority, like the Masterpiece cake shop was not about cake but about government’s authority.

RNeibuhr

If it was "not about masks" they would have paired this with their own mandate. And it truth, it's not about masks. It's about scoring points with their idiot base, for whom it is about masks.

oldhomey

Right, big fella. This is not about masks, but you disparage the governor's masking policy because it is responsible for closing businesses? It looks to me that the masking mandate is one that insists J. Q. Citizen where a mask when in public, especially when in businesses like grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations.

We have a plague running through the entire population, and it is evident that it is transmitted airborne when people congregate at close quarters. But should the government act to mitigate the transmission? Should it close down or at least severely limit the numbers of people in establishments like taverns and restaurants until the transmission rate is significantly reduced?

If individual states and municipalities had not acted responsibly and done these things while the Trump administration worked tirelessly to oppose them, do you think the death toll would have been more than what it is, nearly half a million dead in just ten months? Do you think if we had far more deaths and serious illnesses from Covid, clogging up hospitals and interfering with care of normal severe medical emergencies, that businesses would not have suffered even worse than they suffer now, battling with employees too afraid to come into work, patrons too frightened to trust even take-out food? We elect politicians in the hope that they will be capable leaders. We suffered through the monumental failure of Donald Trump, but it looks so far like Biden has a plan and the will to push that plan. Gov. Evers, too. Go eat your cake.

crank

No, read my comment again, stupid.

oldhomey

I re-read your post, crank. My comment stands, except for the typo of "where a mask", which should be "wear a mask". Stupid of me, I guess.

Rick Czeczok

I see this old buzzard hasn't found anything to do all day but look for every news update so he can comment on it. Sad that this is actually the highlight of ones day. Hey someone else ask him about this clowns despicable actions he took during the Vietnam war. In his words he went to collage even though he did not want to so he wouldn't have to go to Nam. Then when he graduated from school he did go to Nam that was still going strong and others his own age were dying. Not to fight in the war but to profit off of the war. Yeah this is a guy you want to listen to. Now he will attack me with some idiotic comments but will not answer one question. What did you do over there? Watch him dodge that question for at least the twentieth time once again. He was already caught and called out on one lie that he tried to explain his actions. Old man has a comment on everything and if you don't agree with him he will with his friends on this board gang up and attack you. That is how they control this board. Just like his democratic leaders do. Old man, "bite me".

oldhomey

Ricky boy, you should go to collage, as you are a piece of work who should be displayed in a gallery as a social commentary about a significant portion of the American electorate in our time in history.

I am SO sorry if I have said untoward things about you, when you are clearly one of the most clear-headed, diplomatic, incredibly civil and non-divisive voices on these boards, sharing your immense font of knowledge and wisdom with the rest of us.

Don't worry about me biting you. Though I have most of my own teeth in my mouth, I simply refuse to bite into something that somehow manages to be both tasteless and rancid at the same time.

Gram2jalen

Of course they did. THIS is exactly the reason why the gerrymandering needs to stop. These guys are only on a power grab, as evidenced by Mr Vos's full protective gear at election time. I have plenty of other things to say about these PEOPLE, but the rest of my comment would be taken down too.

canman

How do such feeble minded chickensheet representatives sleep at night, this is the same type of people that proclaim the world is flat. All politicians should not be eligible for any vaccines or health care caused by the COVID virus until all their constituents are cared for.

Gram2jalen

Amen! And since all these people seem to think it was a hoax...they won't need a vaccine anyway, right?

crank

Curious... Who is proclaiming the world is flat, canman?

Gram2jalen

I'm sure it probably shows up somewhere in the QAnon book of conspiracy theories. ;)

crank

You’re sure it probably...? That’s about a swishy-washy as it gets. Qanon....yes....of course.... ALEC and the Koch brothers used to be your tinfoil boogie men. Now it’s Qanon making the tinfoil for your hats. 🙂

RNeibuhr

Your glib joke about QAnon being the stuff of tinfoil hats would sound less stupid if a bunch of domestic terrorists carrying QAnon signs didn't just attack the US Capitol. It's not a tinfoil hat when they're smashing windows and killing police officers. It's terrorism.

oldhomey

My, my. Now crank, the big fella, disparages somebody disparaging QAnon. I am curious, crank. What do YOU think about QAnon and the messages that it conveys? Do you believe in Jewish-controlled space lasers starting wildfires? Do you believe the rash of school shootings in recent years were "false flag" events, fake news? Ditto for the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center? Do you believe the leading Democrats are all in a satanic cult of child-molesting, cannabalistic kidnappers that Donald Trump, the White Knight of the 21st Century, was about to expose and take down? Do you believe you have any right at all to talk about tin foil hatted people when you seem to want to snark anybody who would say anything negative about QAnon? Even Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green is shedding that QAnon tinfoil hat and attempting to bury it in her backyard as deeply as she can. Too late.

crank

My, my now... oldhomey the little fella responds to yet another of my comments as he always does.

I pay no attention to the Qanon as it is the stuff of tinfoil hats, according to you people who literally gobble it up. I literally do not read or follow what Qanon puts out and neither should you. If you're reading it and reacting to it as though it reflects reality...any reality...and is a worthy topic of serious discussion, you deserve to be put down and ridiculed just as we'd look upon any raving lunatic (left or right wing) who consumes such crazy nonsense and allows it to enter his discourse.

Now you're asking me questions about Qanon as though I have given it or their conspiracies thoughtful study. I have not ever. Dipshíts like you like to imagine anyone who dares to disagree with you must treat Qanon like their cult. The truth is people like you who read it, freak out about it and have formed your own nutty conspiracies as a result. If you believe any of it is worth discussing, as you are here, you must be wearing the tin foil. Get serious, trolls

RNeibuhr

Crank, when QAnon followers stop attacking the capitol, placing pipe bombs, plotting to kidnap governors, showing up at pizza places with assualt rifles, etc--I'll stop taking them seriously. In the meantime they are not only looney-tunes, but also a domestic terrorist threat to the country. I take terrorism seriously. Apparently you'd rather be dismissive of it, so the crazies don't make you look bad. That ship has sailed.

crank

And the ANTIFA and BLM rioters? Are they making you look bad or do you as a Democrat disavow any connection to either organization? Do you classify extremism as being the party's mainstream only when it's the 'other side's' extremists who are doing bad things, Ms. Neibuhr? We hear these things often enough to make my case for a tinfoil wardrobe worn by those saying it (unless they're simply trolls)...KKK, Qanon, White supremacists, various militias, Nazis, fascism and so on are the Republican mainstream?

If you're routinely and seriously discussing the articles you read in the National Enquirer or the latest conspiracy from Qanon, it's difficult to believe you ain't wearing tinfoil.

crank

I'll consider all this talk about Qanon and other bullshít not related to the Governor's mask mandate as an indication the issue isn't about masks. [wink]

Ms. Neibuhr, can you please provide the data you say you have which clearly proves the mask mandate has resulted in lower COVID case rates? I'd like to review it. I've asked several times.

oldhomey

crank, I am like you. I have never in my life read a QAnon report, nor would I even know how to go look for one on the internet. I just read what the QAnon cult followers are saying that they are learning from the mysterious "Q". And, unlike you, none of my political beliefs that I am aware of is informed by QAnon, while you are on these board constantly throwing your support behind the nutty political views of QAnoners, beginning with Donald J. Trump, who thinks QAnon people are dedicated Americans.

I am not aware of any official of the Democratic Party or, for that matter, any Democratic politician or office holder ever endorsing Antifa. Perhaps you could provide me with some information that would clear that up for me.

Black Lives Matters is not a political organization, as such, nor does it seem to even have an actual spokesperson who can reliably inform the public about the organization and its stances. Much of what it does is admirable, and both Democratic and Republican figures have publicly sympathized with its actions, but not when people in the name of Black Lives Matter have resorted to criminal activity to make a point.

If a Black Lives Matter or a Antifa mob of tens of thousands ever broke into the United States Capitol building and tried to abort a Congressional vote while calling for the hanging of the Vice President and threatening the lives of senators and congressmen while killing a capitol policeman, I would like to think the Democrats would demand the arrest and conviction of those louts.

And if it was a Democratic president who had urged this mob to this action for weeks with repeated lies and pep talks, I would like to think the same Democratic senators and congressional delegates would call for the impeachment and conviction of the Democratic president. Not the sort of spineless GOP behavior we are witnessing right now.

What is this persistence you insist on with this "Ms. Neibuh" thing, big fella? Do you think it enhances your position? Does it make you laugh to yourself as you pleasure yourself, making you feel like you are the Masterdebater?

crank

I'll consider all this talk about Qanon and other bullshít (now even more of it from old whiny here) unrelated to the Governor's mask mandate as an indication the issue isn't about masks at all. [whistling]

oldhomey

No, it is not about masks, per se. It is about what QAnon and right-wingers are doing to politicize a health emergency. People like crank and QAnon do not really care about a community effort to minimize the spread of the virus while we await widespread vaccinations to defeat the virus. They would rather rally the ignorant around a false premise that mandating masks and social distancing land suspension of public gatherings as some sort of wild-eyed conspiracy to make the country into a liberal dictatorship. They are pushing for the establishment of a Donald Trumpian extremsit dictatorship, instead. Through gerrymandering, the Wisconsin GOP is a long way toward their Trumpian style dictatorship already. That is what this mask argument is about. QAnon.

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