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Some Republican lawmakers have criticized Gov. Tony Evers for flying the rainbow gay pride flag at the State Capitol in honor of pride month in Wisconsin. 

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Uncle Harry

Has the POW-MIA flag ever flown at the Capitol? If so, did Republicans freak out then?

DMoney

That's not a cultural/religious issue that offends millions of people.

Uncle Harry

Right, it's not like scripture, the 10 commandments, or other tokens to the mythical sky king that reinforce religious supremacy of one religion over all others. Those should be removed from every public building, space, and school immediately.

DMoney

I'm pretty sure they are, in quick fashion.

Cassandra2

D-Bag, our country was founded on the notion that religion has no place in our government. You are free to practice whatever mythology you choose, but you are not allowed to use the power of government to force others to practice your preferred flavor of witchcraft.

DMoney

C-bag, the country wasn't founded on being gay, either. Being gay has no place in our government. You are free to practice whatever sexual orientation you choose, but you are not allowed to use the power of government to force others to practice your preferred flavor of sexuality.

PhysicsIsFun

Our government certainly should not use its power to force people to practice a certain form of sexuality. Unfortunately in the past our government did just that. It not only allowed gay and lesbians to be discriminated against it actively did so itself, and to some extent continues to do so. The flag merely represents the acceptance of these shortcomings and a desire to make our society better and more accepting of people who have lead lives of desperation and unhappiness. It is a symbol of a more enlightened attitude towards our family members, friends, and neighbors.

DMoney

You are right. The fact that they weren't allowed to marry was ridiculous. I don't see how the government discriminates against them anymore. Of course that doesn't mean private citizens never do. I get the motive behind the flag. Obviously best intentions. But it doesn't justify alienating other people who have unjustified biases but equal rights nonetheless. As this cartoon title says, people are "triggered". It isn't the place of government to trigger it's constituents.

PhysicsIsFun

I am not certain but I believe it is still acceptable to fire a person, because they are a transsexual. I admit to be somewhat uncomfortable with transsexual people. It is not part of my experience. I was once uncomfortable with gay people. I am 71 years old and in my younger days it was met with much scorn and prejudice . My life experience and open mindedness have shown that there is nothing to be concerned about, and I am comfortable and know numerous people who are gay or lesbian. I have learned and grown. I hope the same can be said about transsexuals. I do have a friend whose son (now daughter) changed sexes. I am not even sure exactly how to phrase it without sounding uninformed. I know that this friend had struggled with this child for years in an attempt to help. It is certainly a complex situation that no one would do unless they were compelled to.

DMoney

I can answer with absolute certainty that it's completely illegal to terminate someone for being transgender, gay, etc. I can also say with as much certainty that people DO get fired for these things, only never for that reason. I've never done so and never participated in that process--and I've faced scrutiny because of it. It's sad and terrible but it's the way corporate America works. I personally don't even think twice when I come across someone possibly gay or transgender. It's the norm now and there's nothing terrible (or special) about it. I would think that's how they would want it, hence my confusion about this flag.

Cassandra2

D-Bag lies again. "...discrimination based on gender identity is not included in Wisconsin's anti-discrimination laws, nor is it covered in the state's hate crime law." And, in fact, in a MAJORITY of states it is still, shockingly, legal to fire a person for being Gay. Why is it that wingnuts like the D-Bag are always lying to try to prove their point? Google search is such an easy way to disprove their nonsense, yet they will continue to spread these lies. It's shameful.

DMoney

Well C-bag, I didn't lie but I was wrong. I'm in good company, as 80% of the population believes it is illegal to fire someone for being gay. It's absolutely shocking that it's still technically legal in many states.

Cassandra2

I challenge the D-Bag to provide ONE verifiable example of anyone trying convert others to homosexuality.

Cassandra2

And yes, D-Bag, you DID lie. You deliberately made a false claim and were called out for it.

DMoney

Oh, I DELIBERATELY told false info C-bag? And you know this how? Pretty ignorant. And I've never claimed anyone has tried to convert someone to homosexuality. Just that to the government has no more power to do so than to try and convert someone to a particular religion. But I'm not calling you a liar, just wrong. Which is ok, you are human.

mocha1

dmoney is right on the money, the government should not be entering into picking sides in a cultural issue. Libs have no problem because the rainbow flag supports one of their liberal sacraments. If Walker had flown the Tea party flag, libs would have burnt down much of Madison.

PhysicsIsFun

Come on ClimateDope don't let Dman beat you to the punch. Own your hatred and ignorance. Let your nasty comments fly.

DMoney

How can you honestly view anything I've written on the topic as "hate and ignorance"? You are demonizing me because I politely disagree with a subject. That's pretty small of you.

PhysicsIsFun

I was referring to ClimateDope's hate and ignorance. The comment was directed at him. Work on your reading comprehension.

DMoney

You inferred that I beat Climate to hateful and ignorant comments. You can question a lot of things about me, but I would certainly hope my reading comprehension is not one of them.

PhysicsIsFun

Once again I was not referring to you as full of hate and ignorance. It was ClimateDope I was referencing.

Cassandra2

So it's not hate and ignorance that leads you to spread lies and misinformation? What is your motivation then?

DMoney

I've been quite clear on my motivation on this subject.

DMoney

It's not the government's job to pick sides on a social subject. Nowhere in the state or federal constitution does it allow for or enable the government to endorse one cause over another. It's overreach and will cause as much harm as it does good.

PhysicsIsFun

They are not picking sides. This is not a contest. They are merely recognizing a group that has been marginalized in the past. Don't try to high road your baloney. You're nearly as bad as ClimateDope.

DMoney

I've said nothing hurtful. I even said on the article that I am personally ok with the flag and what it symbolizes. I know some gay people, and have always viewed them as no different than anyone. But this isn't about my opinion. This is about government remaining neutral. Each state politician is paid by taxpayers. These tax payers have a wide range of views and beliefs. Religious people's views and rights, however opposite of mine and yours, count just the same. The government shouldn't side with any group if it offends another groups beliefs. How would you feel if they flew the tea party flag next? The yellow one with the snake.

WuTang

Fly your yellow snake flag, as long as you're not treading on me or my body and you stay neutral. Just wondering your thoughts on the States pressing to over turn Roe v Wade? Doesn't seem neutral to me, but then again what do I know?

DMoney

Completely against overturning roe vs. Wade. That's a standard I can tolerate. I think current laws enforcing extreme pro life are just political whiplash in response to the extreme pro choice laws passed over the winter. Case in point--extremism invites extremism.

DMoney

And it's not MY yellow snake flag. I'm not a member of the tea party.

PhysicsIsFun

Once again the government is not "siding" with a group. This is not about o opposing points of view. This is about a marginalized group finally not being hurt by society. It is not opinion. It is equal protection.

DMoney

If the government is now in the business of remedying cultural marginalization, they better then fly a Christian or catholic flag next. Because I'm pretty sure people with traditional religious views (as backwards as they are) are feeling pretty hurt right now.

Cassandra2

So, D-Bag, you agree then that the government has no business limiting the right of Gay people to adopt children and no business limiting Gay marriage rights. Good to know.

DMoney

Agree completely, C-bag.

Cassandra2

It's amazing to me how many people clearly don't understand the meaning of the Constitution or how it has been applied over the centuries to favor one group over another. And once they see any group they don't like getting a little bit of equality they want to kick and scream and throw their food. It's pathetic.

DMoney

Where did the Constitution come into this? It's about a flag and the ethics of a supposedly equally representative government supporting one cultural topic over another. Really, homosexuality has nothing to do with it either. Subject matter is pointless, it's the role of government for all being advocates.

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