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At least with Sandy Hook, they waited a nanosecond before weighing in with the divisive sniping. Maybe it was the fact that children had been executed two weeks before Christmas, and their upturned faces and expectant eyes were etched in our memory, like Cindy Lou Who’s innocence confronting the reality of the Grinch; we could not find it in our hearts to start fighting.

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There was a brief, ephemeral moment of suspended grace before the onslaught of recrimination. Or maybe I have a faulty memory, and the partisan sides were already drawn before the blood of innocents had been mopped up from the schoolroom floors.

But there is nothing faulty in my observational skills, when another massacre stole the oxygen from the room and sent us reeling, this time over unnatural evil instead of natural disaster.

Part of the script was predictable and I made a mental calculation — 3, 2, 1 — of the minutes it would take before someone raised the issue of gun control.

I didn’t even make it to 3.

The calls for legislation curtailing access to guns began even before we knew the name of the shooter, his identity, his history. It began while the bullet casings were being scraped up off the ground on the Las Vegas Strip, and families were being notified of their great losses. I have no problem with that, because you cannot look at a massacre of these dimensions and ignore the manner of its execution. If Stephen Paddock didn’t have those weapons, 58 people, as of this writing, would still be alive. It’s a simple calculation, and even someone like me who almost failed algebra can figure it out.

But while I almost failed algebra, I got a very good grade in logic, and I’m not blind to how people are using this tragedy to advance their political agendas. It started when Sen. Chris Murphy, who as a congressman represented the district where Sandy Hook occurred, took to the floor of Congress and attacked his colleagues for observing a “moment of silence” for the victims. He was careful to package his anger as frustration against the NRA, but anyone could see he was aiming his salvos at Republicans, who are much more likely to oppose gun control legislation than his fellow Democrats.

But even more repellent than the thought that politicians were going to try to gain some tactical advantage at the ballot box was the idea that praying for the souls of the departed was a shallow, calculated show. I couldn’t believe it when people started criticizing those of us who would “take a knee” to show solidarity with the dead and their loved ones.

Some of these same self-righteous arbiters of morality were the first to defend Colin Kaepernick’s right to symbolic protest on the sideline, but were intolerant of grieving Americans who chose to do the same thing to honor the massacre victims. One of my friends explained that the attacks were not really against the mourners but, rather, a commentary on the emptiness of prayerful gestures as the easy way out for a Congress that consistently fails to enact stronger gun laws. Perhaps, but it doesn’t answer the question as to why gestures are good enough to protest racism, but not good enough to show respect to the suffering.

But even worse than the reflexive one-upmanship on gun legislation and the “Prayer Is Useless” preaching was the injection of identity politics into the mix. Some people wondered out loud whether we would have reacted differently if the shooter was not a white, wealthy man. People are hooked up to life support, their families don’t know whether they will be planning funerals, and we still have time to ask what would have happened if the guy on the 32nd floor wasn’t a white millionaire but an immigrant from South Asia or a black guy from Chicago.

It might come as a surprise to some people, but we are not all tuned into the Race Channel 24/7.

I am not a fan of guns. In fact, I am not a fan of the NRA, and while I think that the Second Amendment deserves as much respect as the other protections in the Bill of Rights, I have a hard time understanding how limiting the number of guns a citizen can own, depriving the mentally ill of access to dangerous firearms, mandating laborious background checks, and keeping semi-automatics out of the hands of civilians is controversial.

When Charlton Heston said they’d have to pry that gun out of his cold, dead hands, I thought, “Moses, you stepped down from Mount Sinai and went around the bend.”

But, my God, people, we can do better than this pathetic performance of political posturing, finger-pointing and race-baiting. Can’t we?

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Cassandra

The conspiracy theorist Chip DeNure is, once again, making ridiculous claims about many hotels along the Vegas Strip being shot up. But he refuses (and is unable) to provide links to videos or photographic evidence to back up his claims.

The one "eyewitness" video he refers to comes from a woman who is calmly walking through the lobby of the Bellagio as people ("victims" of a massive terrorist attack in Chip DeNure's mind) sit around waiting for the lockdown to end. There is no panic or sense of urgency even from Chip's alleged "witness". There is no sign of any damage to the building.

And yet Chip DeNure continues to make unsubstantiated and patently ridiculous claims about this being a mass attack by ISIS.

Please, if you know anyone in Chip Denure's family, urge them to seek mental health care for him before he causes damage to himself or others. The man is in a mental health crisis and needs professional help.

oldhomey

This is for Buggs, who I am sure inadvertently failed to reply to one of Cassie's comments on this string, even though it had a "+Add Reply" option under it. I will repeat it here for you Buggs, as I am always watching your back. I don't want people unfairly accusing you of ducking them, so I know you will have an answer for Cassie:

Cassandra Oct 15, 2017 12:04pm

Videos I see from the Bellagio see people sitting around on the floor in the front lobby, waiting for the lockdown to end. No broken glass, no one in a panic because the hotel had been "raked by gunfire," no panic. Just a bunch of people waiting.

oldhomey

It looks like Buggs is back in the weeds, not willing to face up to Cassandra on this.

Buggs Raplin

More reports today from the independent media that gag orders have been issued to the cops in Las Vegas, as well as Jesus Campos. Obviously to shut them up as to multiple gunmen, so the cover-up of a 'lone wolf' multi-millionaire with no motive can be advanced. Jesus H. Christ, if you go to Rense, Infowars, What Really Happened, and Natural News web sites, videos of eyewitnesses telling of attacks from multiple gunmen at the concert site, and many other hotels are available. Then there's all the changes and changes to the 'official' version, the FBI expects you to accept with no scrutiny. Just like JFK, the FBI immediately confirms a lone nut, ignores the multitude of witnesses saying shots came from the grassy knoll; ignores the 59 witnesses who said the limo came to a stop or near stop AFTER the shooting began, confiscated Beverly Oliver's film, and intimidated and threatened eyewitnesses. The FBI is totally corrupt at the higher levels. Totally corrupt. They lied about JFK, 9/11, and now they're lying and covering up the ISIS attack on Vegas.-Chip DeNure

Cassandra

Again, Chippy, video from your alleged "eyewitness" shows a rather relaxed scene of people hanging out in the lobby of the Bellagio, waiting for the lockdown to end. Even the woman whom you claim is the witness to the shootup of the Bellagio is calm as she describes the scene of people sitting around. There is no broken glass, no panic and no sign of any damage.

You are the one making these ridiculous claims, so YOU need to provide evidence. Provide links to the videos that allegedly exist showing the broken glass and bullet holes in the front of these hotels.

You won't, because the images don't exist except in the fevered minds of yourself and your fellow conspiracy theorists.

Buggs Raplin

The Tribune is now colluding with Cassie with only 'Report' following many of her latest comments.

Cassandra

You keep repeating that lie, Chippy. You know perfectly well how to comment below each sub-thread, as we've witnessed in other forums. You just want to make this another conspiracy against you. How pathetic you are.

Buggs Raplin

What I want is to reply directly to each comment by you and POO with an ADD Reply, but the Tribune won't allow it favoring you and POO with just "Report."

oldhomey

You are SO convincing with this dodge, Buggs. Everybody is snowed by this, not realizing that you will do anything to dodge out the back door when caught in your lies. Right.

Cassandra

You want, you want, you want. Get over it, cupcake. As Mick Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime you might find you get what you need."

Buggs Raplin

CIA Headquarters, Langley, Virginia
Director: Jesus Christ. Jesus H. Christ, we've got a big problem with the Vegas thing.
Agent: We know, boss. We know
Director: The fu*cking alternative media is destroying the narrative
Agent: So true
Director: How are our disinformation specialists doing?
Agent: Not well, sir, though Operative oldhomey is doing is best with Buggs Raplin.
Director: Curse that Buggs Raplin
Agent: Agreed. He's laying waste to the official version of a 64 year old multi- millionaire with no motive as the culprit.
Director: I'm so pissed off at all of this. Our agents posing as 'journalists' writing news stories for the AP and others reporting as 'correspondents' on the network news programs have failed us.
Agent: It's that despicable alternative media, sir. They're spreading the truth, and all but the gullibles are buying it.
Director: Well, thank God in heaven for the gullibles.
Agent: Amen. They're our only hope.

Cassandra

Another paranoid fantasy from the fevered mind of Chip DeNure.

Buggs Raplin

CIA Headquarters, Langley Virginia
Director: What's the latest with Buggs Raplin?
Agent: He continues to be persuasive, except for Cassandra
Director: You mean that gal who lied about having a solar home?
Agent: The one and the same
Director: I like her. Any chance we can get her to replace oldhomey?
Agent: I'll make an offer
Director: She's the type we can use around here. Someone who invents her facts, and ignores the real ones. And she's great at calling Buggs all kinds of names.
Agent: For gullibles, name calling is important in the argumentative process.
Director: Hire that woman asap, and let me handle the termination of oldhomey.
Agent: Yes, sir.

oldhomey

So it comes to this, for Buggs. Every one of his patently false, transparently silly accusations surrounding the tragic insanity in Las Vegas has been declared dead and buried. Unable to persuade anybody, Buggs resorts to fantasy to make himself feel victorious. D'ya figure your silliness will make you feel good enough that you'll get to sleep tonight without the aid of knockout martinis and doobies, Buggs? A pathetic man reaching for a pathetic pat on the head for a pathetically false narrative.

Cassandra

Doobies? Is Chip DeNure a pothead?

Buggs Raplin

I am not a pothead. I'm into martinis.

oldhomey

Why does the Tribune only put a "Report" option under your comments, Buggs? Of course you are a pothead. Why else would you have been so desperately in love with Bernie Sanders in 2016 -- the only major presidential candidate openly campaigning for legalization of pot. You, self confessed ultra rightwinger and supporter of Donald Trump, why did you continually bring it up back in the campaign that you liked Sanders for his position on pot?

I never was much for pot, not that I am against anybody else using it. Back in the day, I tried it a few times here, in Nam and once in Paris. It never worked on me like it did on my friends. I didn't mellow out, I got paranoid. So after a few bad experiences I stuck with beer or wine for the rest of my life as my drugs of choice.

With you, however, being that paranoia seems to be your natural state of mind, I could imagine that pot might mellow you out. To each his own, I always say. And I might suggest when you are deep in your doobies, that's no window your looking out, and that is no squirrel you're seeing. You're looking into your mirror.

Buggs Raplin

I don't smoke marijuana. I have one martini a day as I watch the birds and squirrels outside my window. Cheap entertainment. And, you, of course, are the biggest liar on these boards.

Cassandra

Chip Denure is a liar. He is clearly a drug addict and probably has a large growing operation in his basement. SWAT should raid his home. Maybe then he'd get the mental health intervention he needs. (See, Chippy. This is what baseless claims look like.)

oldhomey

Since Buggs declined to answer this earlier, I will re-post it, urging him to respond:

oldhomey Oct 13, 2017 8:56pm

I'll tell you how gun nuts are connected to the Mandalay Bay Hotel shootings, Buggs. The shooting is committed by a very sick gun nut who wants to emblazon his name on the history books by killing more people in one mass shooting than anybody in history. Then other gun nuts rush in and declare that it was not a lone shooter, an angry older white American male, but it was a pack of ISIS terrorists who the FBI anti-terrorist squad decides to give it a pass and covers up for them. How is that for being nuts, Buggs?

Buggs Raplin

Your 'handlers' back at CIA are incredulous at your comment. As am I. Jesus, POO, I think your job may be in jeopardy. I'm thinking they'll ask you to retire. And then replace you with someone who's an intellectual challenge to Buggs Raplin. You aren't. You've failed miserably, like the Washington Nationals, who've failed and failed and failed to win a post season playoff. Same with you oldhomey. You've failed and failed and failed with arguments with Buggs Raplin. And, by God, this latest effort wouldn't convince a 3rd grader of anything.

oldhomey

My, it looks like I have Buggs so upset he is reverting to fantasy in order to convince himself that he hasn't written himself into a corner he can't escape from. Instead of mooning around in fantasies, Buggs, what have you got to say about the lack of photos of the shot out windows at the Bellagio? What have you got to say about the lack of photos of gunfire from other rooms at the Mandalay Bay? What have you got to say about the lack of evidence of any other shootings in any of the other hotels that you allege there was shooting? Other than the claims by ISIS (we KNOW you are gullible enough to believe everything it says) what about some proof that this was an ISIS attack? Has ONE witness come forward and said they even saw a suspicious person of Mideastern appearance being in the vicinity? Why would the FBI find it necessary to cover up for ISIS? You are so full of sh*t, Buggs, the rear end of your pants are dragging on the ground. AND you smell like it. But just keep believing that you're getting the best of me. It's what sickos do.

Cassandra

I have a question for you, Homey, and it's more important than any of the BS being spewed by Chip DeNure. How do you get your comments to display in paragraphs? I can use the enter key multiple times and even use the space bar to try to break my comments into more easily readable chunks, but the Tribune site always squishes it back into a single run-on paragraph. Is it my browser?

Buggs Raplin

I will brook no criticism of the Tribune from anyone else but me. I'm guessing it's your browser, but they're on sale right now at Kwik Trip.

oldhomey

Cassie, you have asked the wrong person. I am totally without knowledge or skills when it comes to computers and cell phones, which I can barely figure out how to answer and use mainly to call my wife from the supermarket to ask what she needs. I can manage to log on to my computer and do a little email, have mastered (because I used it a lot at work) how to track down information, which of course is what makes Buggs and the other BS artists on these strings miserable. But I have to call my neighbor every time my computer acts up, because I am clueless.

As for making paragraphs, I hit the return (enter) key twice to put a space between the last sentence and the next one.

Hope that works for you, too. And thanks for staying on Buggs' case as well as those of the other usual suspects on here. As you know, it doesn't take much to call them on their BS, but to do it cleverly and persistently as you do is a welcome thing to see.

Cassandra

Let me try that.

Hitting it twice.

Cassandra

Got it. I was previously only hitting Enter once.

Buggs Raplin

Yeah, POO goes to Snopes to 'track down' information. What a laugh.

Buggs Raplin

I see the independent media were banned from the Las Vegas sheriff's most recent press conference. Makes sense only if you're engaging in a cover-up, which is so obvious. Yeah, just let the fake news cover it to keep the truth under wraps. Apparently a gag order may have been placed on Jesus Campos. There are reports of a police car stationed outside his house. I have no doubt the FBI will be wanting Campos to eventually tell the world a version of what happened that will complement their "investigation" such as it is.

Cassandra

"Independent media" AKA conspiracy sites that already have a narrative they are going to publish and who just want to disrupt and cloud the investigation.

Buggs Raplin

Well, of course, Cassie you believe in the mainstream media, who've lied to you time and time again. Poor Cassie, she'll believe anything. Cassie probably believed in WMD in Iraq because the NY Times told her so.

Cassandra

Those lies came from your pals Bush and Cheney who were only interested in the oil. And the republican base bought it hook, line and sinker.

Buggs Raplin

Disrupt and cloud the cover-up 'investigation.' would be more truthful, but I know how you hate the truth-it disturbs your world view.

Buggs Raplin

First, we are told that the security guard, Jesus Campos, was shot 10 minutes AFTER Paddock killed the concert goers. Then the police changed that to six minutes BEFORE the slaughter. Then they changed it again to 40 seconds before the killing began. Jesus Campos had been scheduled to give 5 media interviews this week, but he cancelled them all, and has sort of disappeared. Kind of interesting, huh? But, hey, Cassie, you keep to your comfortable illusion. It was a 64 year old multi millionaire with no military training and no motive who all of a sudden decided to kill a bunch of people by bringing up some 27 weapons, most long rifles, without being observed by the hotel's security cameras. Yeah, all on the up and up here. Nothing to see. Move along. Trust the media. They always dig hard for the truth.

Then they changed it again

Cassandra

22,000 people at the concert. Thousands more at the hotel and on the Strip, Hundreds of hotel employees and first responders on the scene. And Chippy wants to listen to a couple of lunatics being quoted (and then debunked) on a website known for promoting fake news and lunatic conspiracy theories. And he expects people to give his rantings credence?!?! Wow. Please, will the family of Chip DeNure get him checked in for a metal health intervention!!!

Buggs Raplin

There's video of the scene at the Bellagio Hotel, but it would interfere with your illusion of a 64 year old millionaire with no motive killing a bunch of people.

oldhomey

There is a video of a woman wound up tighter than a drum walking down a hotel corridor, complaining about the lockdown, which I suspect all the hotels along the strip must have imposed temporarily as they tried to sort out where the gunfire was from (it was from the Mandalay Bay), and if the gunmen were mobile and moving (they weren't, it was just one gunman). This is classic conspiracy site stuff: grab a random incident in the middle of a sh*tstorm, like an overserved, hysterical woman mouthing off while unsure of what is happening, and using it as God's truth that something happened that in fact did not happen. Do you want me to make a list for you Buggs, of mass killers who killed without any other motive to kill other than to kill? It is quite easy to do so. They were mentally ill.

Buggs Raplin

Where the gunfire was coming from? Well, who shot out the front windows of the Bellagio? Who caused the chaos and the panic? Who caused gunfire in the New York, New York hotel? Multiple gunmen that's who. But, hey, oldhomey, keep up with your bullsh*t; it's what you do after all. Ignore the police scanner and eyewitness reports of multiple gunmen; ignore the shifting stories of just when the security guard was shot; ignore everything contrary to the official version that a 64 multi-millionaire with no motive, and no military experience all of a sudden made elaborate plans to sneak 27 weapons into his hotel room to kill a bunch of people. Any why, POO, are there so few shell casings in that hotel room. Did they all just disappear? Maybe the FBI knows where they went. Yeah, the FBI, so 'worthy' of our trust.

Buggs Raplin

The woman is Rene Downs who said shots were fired through the front door of the Bellagio Hotel some 45 minutes after the shooting at the Mandalay Hotel ended. The hotels are a mile and a half apart. Rene contends that panic and chaos ensued after the shots were fired. I see no reason why this woman would make up such a story. Corroboration of multiple shooters has been established through eyewitness and police scanner reports. A cover-up is underway with the cooperation of the Las Vegas Sheriff's department.

oldhomey

Buggs, why does the Tribune only put "Report" options under your posts? And we know who Rene Downs is now, we have all seen the video. The problem with what she says is not backed up factually in any way, shape, or form. She was upset (perhaps a little tipsy, too), and who wouldn't be during a traumatic situation like the Mandalay Bay shootings down the street? But she apparently was totally confused, too. Did any other residents of the Bellagio come forward with similar accounts? Where are they? Did even ONE person take a picture with a cell phone camera (there must have been hundreds if not thousands of them making snaps in the aftermath) of the windows at the Bellagio shot out by gunmen? You say there is corroboration of multiple shooters? Let's have it. Let's have some pictures of the shot out windows at the Bellagio, too. The one thing Rene contends that seems to be verifiable is that panic and chaos ensued after the shots rained down from the Mandalay Bay. It was what was confusing her.

Cassandra

Videos I see from the Bellagio see people sitting around on the floor in the front lobby, waiting for the lockdown to end. No broken glass, no one in a panic because the hotel had been "raked by gunfire," no panic. Just a bunch of people waiting.

Cassandra

And that video was shot by Rene Downs who is calmly describing the scene and doesn't seem in any hurry to get away.

Cassandra

Please provide a link to the video so we can judge for ourselves. If you're just going to make ridiculous claims that can't be backed up, we'll understand it's just another part of your paranoid fantasy.

Cassandra

I stand by the eyewitness accounts of more than 20,000 people rather than pay heed to your lunatic rantings, Chippy.

Buggs Raplin

Bullsh*t Cassie-there are NO...I repeat NO. 20,000 eyewitnesses at that concert confirming the official 'fairy tale.' Many of those in attendance said there were multiple gunmen. One concert goer said an Hispanic person told her they were all going to die, some 45 minutes before the shooting began. But these 'facts' don't agree with your beliefs, so they are not facts in your troubled mind.

Cassandra

"...NO...I repeat NO. 20,000 eyewitnesses at that concert confirming the official ..." Just more proof of your aversion to facts. Media reports are replete with eyewitness accounts, but you are only interested in listening to what you get from the debunked conspiracy sites. How sad.

Buggs Raplin

The front of the Bellagio Hotel was raked by automatic weapons; glass was blown out; chaos ensued; the hotel was locked down. This has not been reported by the fake news mainstream media. Muzzle flashes were seen on the 4th and 5th floors of the Mandolay Hotel. This has not been reported by the fake news mainstream media. Gunfire occurred at the New York, New York Hotel. This has not been reported by the fake news mainstream media. Gunfire at the Tropicana has not been reported by the fakes news mainstream media. First we were told the security guard was shot after the slaughter was over; then we were told the security guard was killed 6 minutes before the slaughter. Since that opened a Pandora's box of questions, they have now revised it to 40 seconds before the slaughter. But, hey gullibles, don't let this information bother you. It was a multi-millionaire with no motive, a 'lone wolf' with no military experience, who just decided to kill a bunch of people. Right?

oldhomey

Buggs, we live in the era of nearly every American carrying a camera 24/7 with their cell phones. How many tens of thousands of people were in the hotel district the night of the shooting? All of them were awake and milling around, worrying about the mass shooting coming out of the 32d floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel. Hundreds if not thousands would have been in or near the hotels Bellagio, New York and Tropicana. There would have been hundreds if not thousands of photos up the wazoo online and social media of the shootings at each and the blown out windows at the Bellagio. Your beloved "deep state" conspiratorial government could not have suppressed those photos no matter how it tried. Have you seen a single such photo? I haven't, either. Ergo, you and your lunatic conspiracy sites are lying once again about them.

The timeline confusion is just that. Confusion because of the quickness of the crime and its enormity. There is nothing devious in it, and nothing that I can see in any of the three timelines that have been provided that would help in covering up the ridiculous conspiracy that you are alleging. So I don't let that information bother you. There are a lot of crazy people in this world, and we deal daily with them on these very comment strings. You're a pretty good candidate yourself in that category.

Buggs Raplin

I know you write your stuff with the intent of deception. As I told true believer Cassie, there's video of the scene at the Bellagio. I think there is no better example of the corruption of the fake news mainstream media projecting a fairy tale upon the public than their reporting on this tragedy.

Cassandra

Provide the link to the video that shows gunfire or damage at the Bellagio. Put up or shut up. We'll wait.

oldhomey

Buggs, I have seen the video from the Bellagio. It is a very confused, possibly over-served woman in a state of panic because she didn't know or understand what was going on. She was hysterical. She "thinks" the Bellagio was shot up, too. It was not. Do you see any evidence other than her blathering on the video that it was shot up, Buggs? Do you see others in the video frantically trying to get away? Or are they sitting in place while the hotel tries to figure out if what is going on at the Mandalay Bay might come its way, too? Do you see pictures of bullet holes and scattered glass from the front windows of the Bellagio being shot out? I didn't, either, because they don't exist. It didn't happen. Stop spreading such BS. You are a total, lunatic fraud.

Buggs Raplin

No, Rene Downs was not hysterical. This is an astroturf trick of yours. All witnesses whose testimony conflicts with the official narrative are nuts, looney toons or hysterical. Rene Downs is a rational human being saying gunfire came through the entrance of the Bellagio some 45 minutes after shooting ceased at them Mandolay. She has no reason to lie, and her story corroborates with eyewitness and police scanner reports of multiple gunmen.

oldhomey

Why does your comment only have a "report" option under it, Buggs? There were no doubt hundreds if not thousands of other people staying at the Bellagio, Buggs. Surely if this woman's testimony was accurate, dozens and scores of others would be on the Internet seconding her testimony. Where is it? Hundreds if not thousands of people were snapping photos with their cell phones in the aftermath. Where is there even ONE photo of windows shot out at the Bellagio? Journalists from every stripe of the political spectrum were crawling over Las Vegas in the aftermath. Where is there ONE report about attacks on other hotels? Why don't you load up your BS and pack it away in your basement, Buggs? It isn't floating here. It is sinking and it is stinking.

Cassandra

Were you there? No. I have friends who were and more who live there. Your lies are just that--lies. What is your game, Chippy? Who do you think your lies benefit?

Buggs Raplin

I find it rather ironic that you would accuse me of lying.

Cassandra

Answer the questions. Were you there? How are you benfiting by spreading your lies?

oldhomey

Your use of "ironic" in this case is hilarious, coming from you, Buggs.

Cassandra

Tens of thousands of people are on the Vegas Strip every day. Nearly every one of them carries a camera phone. And yet social media shows no sign of damage at any of the hotels mentioned. Facts just don't matter to Chippy.

Buggs Raplin

Cassie, there's plenty of video out there decimating the official version, which changes day to day to day. If that's not good enough, go to the eyewitness accounts of multiple shooters at the concert site, and reports of gunfire at other hotels. Or you can believe a multi-millionaire just decided to kill a bunch of people with no motive or military experience. Cassie, you are one stupid sheep in the pen being herded this way or that way, whichever way the elite determines should be the way.

Cassandra

I don't have time for your nonsense any more. I'm too busy searching high and low for photos of these hotels that were "raked" by gunfire. Haven't found any yet on any legitimate news sites or social media sites. Government agents by the thousands must be keeping busy scrubbing the "truth" from the Internet.

Cassandra

Show us the videos. Provide the links showing the gunfire and the damage at those other Strip properties. Put up or shut up.

Buggs Raplin

oldhomey (POO) below tries again to obfuscate the testimony of Breanna Hendricks, the woman who, on video, says she was told by an Hispanic woman they we're all going to die. POO cites Snopes that Brianna has recanted in terms of the meaning of the threat, indicating the Hispanic woman was just addressing the threat to a small group in the crowd AFTER Brianna was later being told there was just one shooter. Well, if you're a true believer, this all makes sense. But if you're not a true believer, one realizes that Snopes is NOT to be trusted on anything. Two, it's been established beyond a reasonable doubt there were multiple gunmen, and three, eyewitnesses with stories that don't conform to the official version are often threatened by the FBI to make changes to their original testimony. POO adds here the insinuation that there was possible racism by Brianna for identifying the woman making the threat as Hispanic. What nonsense. Look, I'm sure POO's fans buy his version. Yeah, it was just a woman yelling at a small group in the crowd that they we're all going to die meaning just that small group, and the fact that 45 minutes later a slaughter occurred was just a coincidence. Just a coincidence, right POO?

oldhomey

Buggs, it started out with you and your lunatic conspiracy websites quoting an anonymous woman hysterically telling the world that a woman 45 minutes prior to the shootings announcing to the gathered 22,000 fans they were all going to die. It was Snopes, the unideological, neutral fact checking service that tracked down the television video interview of her, then tracked her down, naming her, and reporting that she on further reflection no longer thought the woman in question was announcing the impending disaster, she was a drunk who was angrily yelling about some other personal tussle that she had been engaged in. WHO is the true believer in this case? You base your accusation on guns being fired from lower floors of the hotel, but the videos more convincingly show that they are reflections bouncing off the mirrored windows of the gunfire from above. As for true believing, it is you who bravely says "it's been established beyond a reasonable doubt there were multiple gunmen" when no such evidence exists. And pray tell how the FBI in a matter of hours is going to track down and intimidate 22,000 eye witnesses from telling the world what they saw, particularly when we live in an era of irrepressible, multi-platform instantaneous social media. Yes, Buggs, it was just a coincidence that an angry drunk 45 minutes before the shooting began told some people they were going to die. Yes, it was. And if you shared part of the anatomy of a northbound horse, you would occupy its southernmost portion, the part under the tail.

Buggs Raplin

Snopes fact checked Building 7 didn't they? So much for Snopes. As to the FBI, they concluded it was a lone wolf right off the bat, just like they said Oswald was a lone gunmen right off the bat. So it goes when an agency is corrupted by the powers that be.

oldhomey

Here we go again, Buggs returning to his old stand-by lies to try to bolster his newest ones. Buggs, your whole shtick with Building 7 is that high rise buildings on fire don't collapse into their own footprint. Get on YouTube. There is a high rise fire in Tehran, for one, in which it collapses exactly like Building 7 did.

Buggs Raplin

You lie. No steel structured building has ever collapsed from fire. None. Not in Tehran. Not on 9/11.

oldhomey

Why do your posts alway have only a "Report" option under them, Buggs? If you want to watch a high rise building on fire collapsing in its own footprint, Buggs, Google "Tehran high rise fire building collapse". It goes down just like Building 7 did.

Buggs Raplin

Another day, more information on multiple shooters. Gio Rios was at the concert with his girlfriend. He reports there were multiple gunmen. He and his girlfriend retreated to the Tropicana Hotel, where according Rios, there was gunfire. Video of his testimony can be viewed at the Rense web site. Rense has numerous stories on this tragedy. One involves witness Rocky Palermo, who was a shooting victim. Rocky maintains there were 3-5 shooters, some firing from ground level. Rocky said he contacted the FBI with his story, but got no response from the FBI. These two witness statements are consistent with police scanner reports of multiple gunmen. As I note below there are also eyewitness reports of shooting in the Bellagio Hotel. Also the New York, New York hotel. Mike Adams at the Natural News web site had a story yesterday claiming that acoustic evidence confirms at least two shooters. And, of course, we now know that the security guard was shot 6 minutes before the shooting began. 6 minutes. Even the fake news media is reporting that. Below, oldhomey (POO) tries to obfuscate the video of the woman who stated that she was told some 45 minutes before the shooting that they were all going to die. POO tries to make the case this woman has recanted her statement's meaning, but he provides no source for this, and I could find none with a google search. We also know Paddock's home in Reno was broken into. A clean-up operation by the FBI? Wouldn't surprise me. But if you think this information is all nonsense, you can believe a 64 year old millionaire with no military training and with no motive all of a sudden decided to kill a lot of people so he smuggled an arsenal past security cameras into his hotel room, and opened fire. And that is the current viewpoint of the fake news mainstream media.

oldhomey

If you insist, Buggs, I will give you more information than you and others here will want to dig through. First, however, every source you cite about additional shootings are well-known lunatic conspiracy theory Internet sites that you rely on. There is no way, if after the horrendous gunfire, death and injury that occurred from the Mandalay Bay Hotel, the massed media of every stripe and political spectrum would have ignored later, additional gunfire coming from other hotels. I had the television on that night and watched live as network television was showing what happened from live helicopter broadcast. What sort of stooges do you think the rest of us are to try to retail such drivel?

And you obviously have NO answer to how lower story gunfire from the Mandalay Bay hotel could have come from unbroken windows and that the rooms where such purported additional gunfire originated could have been cleaned up afterward. You lie, as usual, by repeating the lies of your favored lunatic websites.

As for the woman, this is from Snopes. I have not checked to see if this part of the story has appeared elsewhere, but it was just one of hundreds of erroneous "tips" that followed the shooting:

In the aftermath of an October 2017 mass shooting at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival in Las Vegas, which killed 59 people and injured more than 500, reports emerged about an unidentified woman who purportedly warned or threatened crowds that they were “all going to f***ing die” shortly before the shooting rampage began.

On 2 October 2017, the Daily Mail reported:

A woman in the crowd screamed ‘They’re all around…You’re all going to f***ing die today’ just 45 minutes before a gunman opened fire at a Las Vegas music concert killing at least two people and injuring dozens more, DailyMail.com has learned.

The woman, described as Hispanic and in her 50s, made the terrifying outburst before her and a male companion were escorted out of the venue by security. Less than an hour later automatic gunfire peppered the music festival crowd turning it into a bloodbath and sending terrified concert goers diving for cover.

That article is based on the account of one concert-goer, Breanna Hendricks, who described the woman in interviews with both KSNV News 3, a Las Vegas NBC affiliate, and the Daily Mail. In a videotaped interview, Hendricks had this exchange with a KSNV reporter:

Hendricks: There was a lady who pushed her way forward into the concert venue, into the first row, and she started messing with another lady and told us that we were all going to die tonight.
Reporter: Do you know why she was saying that? I mean, was this after the shots were fired?
Hendricks: It was about 45 minutes before the shots were actually fired, but then she was escorted out by security.

Reporter: How does that make you feel?
Hendricks: It makes me feel uncomfortable, especially coming here for my 21st birthday and not even knowing if I’m safe going home tomorrow on an airplane.
…Reporter: And were you thinking ‘Oh my gosh, this woman told us that before we left’?
Hendricks: Yeah, I thought it had a positive correlation to it. Like, obviously she was telling us that either to tell us, to warn us, or to tell us that we were all going to die and she was part of it.

Hendricks was then asked to describe the woman, and replied:

Her and her boyfriend were both Hispanic. They were probably about — shorter five-footers, probably about 5’5″, 5’6″. They just looked like everyday people.

Hendricks went on to tell KSNV that security escorted both individuals away from the venue, “because she had been messing with the lady in front of her and telling her that she was going to die — that we were all going to die.”

So they escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people in front of them, but none of us knew that it was going to be serious.

Speaking to us on 3 October 2017, Hendricks saw events differently and no longer believed the woman’s threats and behavior were related to the shooting.

When it first happened, and it was reported that there were three shooters surrounding the area, I believed that this lady was telling us that there was going to be a shooting. But after finding out that there was only a single shooter, it’s harder to believe that she would have known.

So I don’t believe now, looking at it, that she was telling us that there was going to be a shooting. I think it was just a statement that maybe she felt like she needed to throw out there because this lady would not let her into the front of the concert. [Emphasis added]

The woman had been pushing through the crowd with a male companion, trying to get as close to the front as possible, according to Hendricks. At a certain point, a group of concertgoers would not let them push through any further.

At first she said “You’re going to die,” then she said “They’re surrounding us, we’re all going to die…” She kept saying that her boyfriend couldn’t breathe – “He can’t breathe, I need to get to the front” – and whenever you looked at the boyfriend, he was back there drinking his beer. So it’s hard to think there was actually a problem going on.

Both the woman in question and her male companion looked as if they had been drinking, Hendricks told us. “The guy, you could tell he was way more intoxicated than she was.”

Shawn Hendricks, Breanna’s mother, who accompanied her at the concert, confirmed much of Breanna’s story, though she told us that she had not personally heard the woman in question making threats, but had overheard another man describing the threats.

She told us that, like her daughter, she thinks that the woman’s threats and behavior were directed at a specific group near the front of the stage, rather than toward the entire crowd. She also does not think the woman’s actions were related to the subsequent shooting:

I really feel that that was more of a personal type thing going on with some of the people that were in front of us…I overheard one of the males in the front — he turned around to another male who was behind him – and they were saying that they had said something about ‘they’re all around us’ and we’re all going to die or something to that effect — we’re all going to die, or we’re dead, or something like that. But I think it was more centered just on that group of people…

It seemed like she was more focused on another girl that was up a little bit farther, and that she was really messing with her, and the other people were kind of trying to keep her away from her. So that’s why I thought it was more of a personal type thing.

After the shooting started, there were reports and rumors on the ground that the shooting was coming from multiple assailants firing from more than one direction. According to Shawn, this is what caused her and Breanna to think that the woman’s earlier comment that “they’re all around us” might be related to the shooting.

Just in case there was some connection, Shawn and Breanna Hendricks decided they should provide statements to police officers about the earlier threats, which they say they did. We asked the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department if they had received any reports of an incident of this nature during the concert, but we did not receive a response.

Breanna Hendricks has faced criticism and scrutiny on social media for her earlier statements to the media – in particular for identifying the woman in question as “Hispanic.” Hendricks told us that she did not give her account publicly in order to garner attention in the media, that she had reported what she saw to the police, and that she was not motivated by racial or ethnic prejudice.

Tim Russell

I was wondering what the lady in black would follow up on her " get politics out of sports" screed with.
This is about the dumbest opinion I have ever read.

Climatehoax


Climatehoax
Things more likely to happen to you than getting killed in a mass shooting.: Being aborted by your liberal parents Car accident Plane crash Death due to nature Dying in your shower Being killed in an industrial accident Killed by lightning There are 5 times as many murders by knife than by assault rifle Odds of dying in a mass shooting are 1/12,000,000 Heart disease Cancer Stroke Dying from a dog attack According to research by The Washington Post, 869 people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States since August 1, 1966. A mass shooting is 3 or more deaths You have a better chance of dying from stress worrying about mass shooting than actually being shot Drowning Suffocating Bicycle accidents 176 people die each year by having a TV fall on them In other words, mass shootings are an emotionally charged happening, but not really near the top of the list in ways to die. Lots of other things to be worried about

Liberals are so fake concerned about people getting killed, but they don't mind it when an illegal alien, hiding in a sanctuary city kills someone. The liberal mayor of Chicago doesn't want federal help in cleaning up that slaughter house, our last liberal president released over a thousand convicts from prison before they paid their debt to their victims, and yes, some of them were violent gun using felons. So, put away the fake tears, the outrage over the Vegas shooting is fodder to push their anti gun agenda, not concern for the victims, nothing more.

oldhomey

Gosh, Climate, when you put it that way, why, what the heck is the fuss about these occasional mass shootings? Who cares? I am guessing it is a conspiracy by the networks and newspapers to take away all our assault weapons and bump stocks. Where's Chuck Heston's dead hands when we need them?

Buggs Raplin

[angry] So many "Reports" following inanities by my adversaries.

oldhomey

Well here is another one from below for your answering pleasure, Buggs:

oldhomey Oct 12, 2017 10:39pm

You obviously didn't look hard enough, Buggs. It was in Snopes. You practice the classic fallacy of fake news; put out the lie or faulty information, let others pick it up and repeat it, and through its repetitions the lie or the false information by some alchemy becomes true.

Cassandra

Yeah, Chippy, everybody's out to get you.
What a dipshit. You really don't understand how these forums work do you?

oldhomey

Buggs ducked into the weeds on another, older string on this, so I will repeat it here:

Buggs Raplin Oct 10, 2017 7:44am

They didn't need to break the windows; they removed them. It is indisputable based on the evidence, there were multiple shooters. There is a cover-up in place, and the mainstream fake news is promoting it.

Buggs Raplin

You don't need to break a window to shoot out of one. It was an ISIS attack with multiple shooters. Paddock was an intelligence operative working for the US government in a sting operation that went bad. Or you can believe he was just a millionaire who decided to kill a bunch of people for an unknown reason. It's your choice, but if you go with the latter scenario, you're ignoring all the eyewitnesses who said there were multiple shooters; you're ignoring that ISIS has claimed responsibility; you're ignoring the woman POO tried to obfuscate-who said she was told 45 minutes before the shooting began, that they were all going to die. You're also ignoring the gunfire at the Bellagio hotel which occurred long after the shooting from Paddock's room in the Mandolay Hotel stopped. But there are people out there like kingman10 and the liar Cassandra who will believe anything the mainstream media tells them regardless of its absurdity, and good ol' POO is doing is best to encourage them in their fantasies.

oldhomey

So what are you saying, Buggs, that the Mandalay Bay rooms come equipped with sash windows or sliding windows that open from the inside? That doesn't appear to be the case, does it? Why would the shooter have to smash out the windows to shoot if he simply could open them? Your earlier comment said the other shooters "removed" the windows. Did you see those open windows in all the photographs following the shooting? Nobody else did. Or did the shooters politely put the windows back into place after they finished shooting and cleaned up and carried off all their guns and shell casings? I hadn't heard of any evidence of shootings being done from other rooms. This is not small matter for your argument, Buggs. In fact, your entire argument of other shooters from other floors depends on it. Provide the evidence or withdraw the charge.

There were I think 20,000 eye witnesses to the shootings at least. There was noise bouncing all over the place and, on mirrored windows, reflections of gun flashes all over. If you think you can believe every eye witness account, then you would be a gigantic failure as a criminal investigator. You say I am obfuscating about the woman who hysterically talked about another woman warning "everybody was about to get killed" 45 minutes before the shooting. In fact, that woman very prominently, after hearing more about the individual issuing the "killing" warning, sheepishly agreed she was wrong, that it was a woman mindlessly remonstrating about an entirely different issue and was not an omen of the shootings about to happen. She agreed that it had nothing to do with the machine gun killer who opened up on the crowd, but you and the wacko conspiracy theorists will never acknowledge this. Talk is cheap, Buggs, but when the facts are stacked up, it is obvious who is doing the fantasizing about this tragedy, and it is the same sick individual who turns every tragedy into a dark government conspiracy against the people. Look in the mirror, you'll find who I am talking about.

Buggs Raplin

I googled "Las Vegas-You're all going to die" and came up with numerous repetitions and videos of the woman, but no media reports obfuscating (as you have) what she said. It's pretty clear cut. She was told by someone in the crowd that they were all going to die some 45 minutes before the shooting. I believe POO just made up the woman's recantation. He just made it up.

oldhomey

You obviously didn't look hard enough, Buggs. It was in Snopes. You practice the classic fallacy of fake news; put out the lie or faulty information, let others pick it up and repeat it, and through its repetitions the lie or the false information by some alchemy becomes true.

Emerald Fox

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Amendment II U.S. Constitution. Infringe- to break (a law or pact)--- infringe on (or upon) -to encroach on (the rights, etc. of others) Source Webster's New World Dictionary. So how does the government restrict gun ownership, limit ammo supplies, require all guns be registered, etc. without infringing upon the law of the land? Just about everything that the shooter did in Vegas is already illegal but it didn't stop him. What if the shooter had chosen instead to rent a truck and fill it with propane, gasoline, fertilizer, etc.? Would more laws restricting the sale and ownership of said potential explosive materials help? Should the government impose more and more restrictions on our freedoms just because some people abuse them? Some may advocate mandatory gun registration with the government. Yet, what guarantee have we that the government won't someday decide that no private gun ownership will be allowed? Who would want to live in a police state where everyone is considered a potential criminal (by the government) where only the government and real criminals have guns? More government control may seem like the solution yet, man's fallen condition is the cause of his violent acts and no law can ever change that.

Buggs Raplin

Yeah, except Paddock was an intelligence operative; the slaughter was carried out by multiple ISIS killers. The evidence is conclusive though not acknowledged by the fake news mainstream media, and endorsed by some gullibles on this board.But the left is using it to try to destroy the 2nd Amendment, even though leftist Senator Feinstein has admitted no law could have prevented Las Vegas. No doubt the senator is feeling the wrath of Hillary, who, right off the bat, was politicizing for gun control. Again, Emerald Fox, this was an ISIS operation. Paddock, a millionaire, who worked maybe 12 years of his life to earn his millions, was an intelligence operative involved in a sting operation that went bad. Read the analysis by Yoichi Shimatsu or go to the alternative media for the truth. You won't get it reading the newspaper or watching the evening news. Recommended: Jeff Rense; Infowars; Natural News; and "What Really Happened" web sites.

Emerald Fox

One thing that I have learned about radical Islam is that deception (lying) is considered an honorable practice when waging jihad. So is ISIS really responsible for the massacre? Could it be instead that they are trying to "cash in" on the fear generated by this wanton act of violence? No matter who is responsible I think we all know that it could be only a matter of time before the government uses these acts of violence to eventually outlaw private gun ownership and create a police state via over regulation, legislation or judicial fiat. Who wants to live in a police state?

Cassandra

You'd rather believe a group that you say treats lying as honorable, rather than believe the American officials who say there is no apparent link to ISIS. Wow, how can you even twist your brain in that way to make it seem like a sensible position to hold?

Emerald Fox

@Cassandra, I never said that ISIS was responsible for the massacre just that they were claiming responsibility for it or so I have heard, perhaps in an attempt to take advantage of the fear and panic created by it.

Cassandra

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...." Well, Emerald, you just conveniently ignored the first clause of the Amendment.

Emerald Fox

I quoted the entire amendment. The right to bear arms includes the American people not just the U.S. military, national guard, police and government agents (F.B.I. ,etc.). Had the patriots not possessed guns (both volunteers and continental army) there may not have been a American Revolution.

Cassandra

Chip DeNure was jumping to insane conspiracy theory conclusions before the blood on the street was dry. Pathetic.

Buggs Raplin

No, I wasn't, but Hillary was politicizing the tragedy right from the get-go.

johnnybragatti

10/4 and he"s a definite 10/96,
that"s what large quanities of Ethanol and various other chemicals,
will do to one"s cranium, with the creation of ultra Tall Tales.

Buggs Raplin

As noted by Yoichi Shimatsu in his analysis there was gunfire at other hotels. There's video of a woman named Rene Downs describing gunfire at the Bellagio Hotel, which occurred a considerable time after the gunfire had stopped at Paddock's hotel. And now we know the security guard shot in the leg was shot some 6 minutes BEFORE the shooting began on the concert crowd. The 'official' version is now in tatters. Only gullibles will cling to it. And the fake news mainstream media's reputation for truthfulness has never been lower.

oldhomey

Hmm. This woman is saying the shooting resumed at the Bellagio 45 minutes after Paddock stopped shooting and killed himself at the Mandalay Bay? By then every reporter in town, including network television, was crawling all over the place, and somehow it never got reported? And no other people have stepped forward and told us about this second mass shooting 45 minutes later? Boy, ISIS or your wonderful "deep state" has a really effective news suppression operation, I guess Buggs, covering up a second shooting when an entire city of one million people were on edge and awake to what was going on at the time. Could you and Alex Jones explain this one a little more clearly for us?

oldhomey

And that guy Shimatsu, was he doing his analysis from his base in Hong Kong at the time? That might clarify some things, too, don't you think?

random annoying bozo

the bugs and homely show.....the sequel

Buggs Raplin

You misspelled our names. Try to do better next time.

oldhomey

I resent your implication that I am not one handsome devil, bozo. Let me just say that I often . . . well at least sometimes . . . am able to converse face to face with folks outside my family who manage not to look away from me in distress and embarrassment. So there! But I expect such cruelty from somebody who seems to accurately call himself a bozo.

oldhomey

Buggs, physics and I kindly supported you earlier on this string on your posting about the widely misunderstood conspiracy to kill Lincoln, and you did not thank us or acknowledge us, which may be because there was only a "Report" option under my posting. So I will repeat it here, giving you the opportunity to effusively thank us.

oldhomey Oct 10, 2017 2:39pm

Of course it was a conspiracy, Buggs. Physics is on your side with this, just trying to point out that history and mainstream historians have been trying to cover up who actually did the Lincoln job. It was not John Wilkes Booth, as the gullibles have all been way too willing to accept. It was Union Army intelligence services, probably at the orders of Vice President Johnson and US Grant, who we understand it now had secret contracts for the erection of hundreds of statues of Confederate leaders and soldiers glorifying their part in the Civil War, which Lincoln, we are told, was vehemently opposed to the plan. But I think you already knew all of this and probably much more, right, Buggs?

Buggs Raplin

I don't reply when you collude with the Tribune to get 'Report' following your inanity. Physics said there was no conspiracy to kill Lincoln. I corrected him.

oldhomey

Well here is proof positive that Buggs is totally unfair in his dealings on here. I consistently reply to his endless inanities that he posts, but he won't return the courtesy to me.

oldhomey

And, Buggs, I think you are wrong about what Physics said. I don't see him denying the conspiracy to kill Lincoln: PhysicsIsFun Oct 10, 2017 10:57am

... and John Wilkes Booth was also an agent and did not act alone in the assassination of President Lincoln. Lincoln who slyly started the Civil war with the express purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery. Unfortunately this planned back fired. You can read it all on InfoWars. (Sarcasm!)


hrpufnstuf

Buggs, you are one nut job! Thank god you don't hold an elected position. One DOTARD in American politics is enough.

tower

What gun nuts are really saying is "let's not talk about this at all". Kind of like Bill Maher said. "When Republicans say thoughts and prayers what they really mean is tough sh**".

oldhomey

Agreed.

Buggs Raplin

Gun nuts? What does that have to do with the ISIS attack on Las Vegas?

johnnybragatti

Perfect,excellent, got way,way,way outta here !!!
Nailed it !!!

oldhomey

I'll tell you how gun nuts are connected to the Mandalay Bay Hotel shootings, Buggs. The shooting is committed by a very sick gun nut who wants to emblazon his name on the history books by killing more people in one mass shooting than anybody in history. Then other gun nuts rush in and declare that it was not a lone shooter, an angry older white American male, but it was a pack of ISIS terrorists who the FBI anti-terrorist squad decides to give it a pass and covers up for them. How is that for being nuts, Buggs?

kingman10

We know the 2nd Amendment guarantees a citizen’s right to own a firearm. But the question I am raising is: do we own our firearms, or does the firearms industry own us? The NRA and the firearms industry has convinced many hunters that any effort to regulate assault rifles or handguns is part of some master plan that ultimately leads to the government coming into your home to take away your firearms. “Once a camel gets its nose under the tent. . .” is the failsafe analogy that thwarts every attempt at regulating firearms in a way that makes sense in 2017, not 1789. Again I ask: do we own our firearms, or does the firearms industry own us?

Is there nothing we can do besides offer “thoughts and prayers” to grieving families? The Bible has some very harsh things to say regarding prayer which is insincere or empty. In the book of Amos God says, “I hate, I despise your festivals, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies.” Today I honestly think God would say, “I hate your thoughts and prayers.”

Clarification

Talk is cheap. Nothing will happen until people stop buying all those guns. Maybe the next generation.

Buggs Raplin

The evidence is conclusive though being censored by the fake news mainstream media. There were multiple shooters. It was an ISIS attack on America, which the left is using to try to destroy the 2nd Amendment. According to an in depth analysis by Yoichi Shimatsu, Paddock was an intelligence operative who faked conversion to Islam to sell weaponry to ISIS in a sting operation similar to Fast and Furious. ISIS discovered this and killed him before the shooting began. ISIS has three times claimed responsibility for Las Vegas, and ISIS does not do that unless they were involved in a terror operation. The 'lone wolf' scenario mirrors the 'lone nut' scenario of Lee Harvey Oswald, another intelligence operative set up by the CIA as the patsy for the JFK assassination. You think I'm off base here? Well, you can accept the official version of a 64 year old millionaire who worked maybe 12 years of his life yet acquired millions; who had no motive; who somehow smuggled all that weaponry, past security cameras into hotel room, and killed a lot of people, and you can ignore all the eyewitness reports of multiple shooters, the police scanner reports and the witness who was told they were all going to die 45 minutes before the shooting began.. To gulliibles and those who 'want to believe' that all makes sense. They prefer the illusion to the truth, and the fake news mainstream media is there to help them as much as they can.

PhysicsIsFun

... and John Wilkes Booth was also an agent and did not act alone in the assassination of President Lincoln. Lincoln who slyly started the Civil war with the express purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery. Unfortunately this planned back fired. You can read it all on InfoWars. (Sarcasm!)

Buggs Raplin

Idiot, the Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy.

oldhomey

Of course it was a conspiracy, Buggs. Physics is on your side with this, just trying to point out that history and mainstream historians have been trying to cover up who actually did the Lincoln job. It was not John Wilkes Booth, as the gullibles have all been way too willing to accept. It was Union Army intelligence services, probably at the orders of Vice President Johnson and US Grant, who we understand it now had secret contracts for the erection of hundreds of statues of Confederate leaders and soldiers glorifying their part in the Civil War, which Lincoln, we are told, was vehemently opposed to the plan. But I think you already knew all of this and probably much more, right, Buggs?

oldhomey

It is amazing how Hong Kong-based conspiracy theorist Yoichi Shimatsu has been SO far ahead of masses of U.S.-based, on-the-scene police and investigators. Why, it was Yoichi who convinced Buggs that much of the Washington establishment was tied up with a child sex ring run out of the basement of a DC pizza parlor, a diabolical scheme apparently headed by no less than Hillary Clinton in the middle of her presidential race for the presidency! How could the rest of us been SO silly, naive and unable to have grasped these truths that Yoichi had so skillfully laid out for us??? Please, American public, don't ignore Hong Kong-based Yoichi's latest work, besting the efforts of Las Vegas, Nevada and national police investigators once again, by showing us that this Mandalay Bay Hotel massacre was yet another ISIS attack on America! And don't you DARE believe that Russia is trying to undermine our faith in our institutions with false information! Listen to Buggs, for Pete's Sake, and we'll all be safely insane.

Buggs Raplin

Yeah, right POO, label someone with actual evidence of a conspiracy as a conspiracy theorist. Typical CIA tactic. So glad you brought up Pizzagate. It's as real as the ISIS attack on Las Vegas. As the late Andrew Breitbart tweeted prior to his mysterious death-John Podesta was a 'cover-upperer' of an underage sex slave operation. Breitbart then died early in the morning of the day he said he would release a video bringing down the Obama administration. Hint: the CIA has weaponry that can kill making it look like a heart attack. And then, wouldn't you know, the guy doing the autopsy on Breitbart died from arsenic poisoning. Just a coincidence, right POO. And let's not forget Podesta's e-mails with coded references to child sexual abuse, like whether he preferred dominos (domination) on cheese (young boys) or pasta (young girls). And then there's that coded 'handkerchief' he left behind at a party. Then there's the owner of Comet Pizza's instagram account with strange pictures of children, and the painting in the bathroom of Comet Pizza with a person ejaculating playing ping pong, with a pornographic slogan. Yeah, all on the up and up. Nothing to see with Pizzagate; nothing to see in Las Vegas. Move along now gullibles, we've got exciting news on Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and other celebrities that's more important.

oldhomey

Well Buggs, you finally said something that I can embrace as the truth: "So glad you brought up Pizzagate. It's as real as the ISIS attack on Las Vegas." You are absolutely right. Both scenarios are absurd, about as real as unicorns or trolls living under the bridge, though you in some respects resemble the latter. It's amazing that you continue to defend Pizzagate even after the man most responsible for publicizing the lie, your hero Alex Jones admitted it was all a lie and apologized for spreading the story. I still think people like you who continue to spread the lie and defame the owner should be liable. I hope the long arm of the law reaches out for you for this outrage.

kingman10

even Brietbart news admitted to making the whole pizza gate thing up. They cower when someone threatens a law suit against their lies. But buggsy still believes it. Proof positive that he is certifiable!

Buggs Raplin

No, Breitbart News did not admit to making up Pizzagate. I don't think they even covered it.

kingman10

oh excuse me, hard to keep track of these wacko sites. I meant to say info wars admitted pizza gate was a lie. NO matter, keep on believing it.

Cassandra

It is completely unsurprising that Chippy will stand by the debunked pizzagate nonsense. But it was infowars that spread this nonsense and Alex Jones who was forced to apologize after one of his crazed listeners decided to shoot up the joint.

Unlike Chippy, I am providing a link: https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/03/24/alex-jones-apologizes-pizzagate-coverage-blames-other-media-outlets/215804

SpiritofThomasPaine

The sheer stupidity of suggesting we not talk of solutions and prevention in the immediate aftermath of ANY CRISIS is embarrassing to the author and anyone subscribing to this unnatural view. It's human nature and our survival gene that has most of us normal folks thinking right away about SOLUTIONS. Our brains are capable of feeling and expressing empathy and sorrow while simultaneously figuring out solutions. What Ms Flowers is really saying is that she is afraid to have gun violence discussions...a loudmouthed coward. But this is what we've come to expect in the 'new normal' (#sad)....a petulant foot stomping right wing freed from reason, science or logic unwilling to face the scrutiny of academic debate.

SpiritofThomasPaine

Christine Flowers is what Rex Tillerson called Trump...... with the "f"

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