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It seems an inevitability that every year around the Fourth of July, certain media will publish a series of articles reminding people how unremarkable it is to live in America.

This year, The New York Times’ opinion team didn’t disappoint, publishing a video that declared, “we’re just OK,” and explaining to viewers that when compared to other industrialized nations, the U.S. really doesn’t stack up.

The video cites “a whopping 18% poverty rate, closer to Mexico than Western Europe,” lower high school science, reading and math levels compared to other nations, and high rates of obesity that result in far higher health-care costs, to name of few of America’s unforgivable blemishes.

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The video, of course, mockingly mentions the areas in which America excels, including “civilian gun ownership, mass shootings, TV watching, prescription drug abuse, prison population — Oh, and almost No. 1 on environmental damage, edged out by China.”

The narrator suggests that at times, it would be understandable to confuse America for a developing country and ultimately determines that one’s understanding or sense of American greatness is determined by personal wealth and little else.

The narrator’s mocking continues with a quip about American liberty — “But we have freedom in America, and everyone’s jealous ... or something,” reminding viewers that hey, other countries have freedom, too, and we don’t even use ours, since just over half the population participates in national elections. Never mind that (however ill-advised), abstaining from an election is a critical element of freedom.

The video was of course intended to be provocative and to challenge the reflexive notion of some that American exceptionalism is permanent and static — an honor forever justified by long-dead Americans’ collective contributions to the world, (although, it’s worth noting that even the greatness of the nation’s Founders is a point of contention these days).

And here, the video’s creators may have a point, albeit a small one.

The United States’ status as a great nation, secured early and defended courageously during the ensuing centuries, isn’t a guarantee. Every successive generation is charged with living up to the high standards set by those who first envisioned America as a beacon on a hill. That’s a difficult challenge, especially during a modern age where the primacy of the individual has subverted the pursuit of the common good. But I digress. There have been, and will continue to be, notable failures along our nation’s moral course. Still, to borrow a phrase popularized by the great, yet flawed American, Martin Luther King, Jr., its arc will always bend toward justice and freedom. Thanks to the high ideals established when America was still a nascent nation, it always (ultimately) has. Despite The New York Times’ poo-pooing of American freedom as something ordinary or banal, freedom is a hallmark of American greatness. It is what has made many of its other attributes (and failures) possible And over the years, despite arguments to the contrary, freedom in the U.S. has vastly expanded — from women’s rights to race relations and civil rights to gay rights — and it has happened in a remarkably short period of time. There are legitimate reasons for concern over our nation’s direction. Political extremism on both ends of the spectrum, although hardly a U.S.-specific problem, has the potential to limit freedoms in ways the Founders foresaw; and we have the power to prevent.

The images of migrants crossing our nation’s southern border and enduring awful conditions in detention centers for many reasons are difficult to stomach.

Yet they are the starkest reminder that our nation is more than just OK. It is great. People wouldn’t be clamoring to get here if it weren’t.

It’s best we keep that in mind every day.

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Cynthia M. Allen is a columnist for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Readers may send her email at cmallen@star-telegram.com.

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crank

In spite of those who would describe the current state of this country as either amazing or awful based upon whether their party won or lost the most recent presidential election, things in this country are pretty darned great and have been pretty “great” for my entire life

Even growing up relatively poor, I look back and realize things then were still pretty great. I look back at how little money I used to make when I first started out and wonder how I survived. I did survive and I was quite happy looking back at good times I had with friends and family during all of it. It ain’t just about money and the economy. While the usual suspects here complain every day about healthcare, poverty, racism, sexism, facism and loads of other things offered in response to the woman who wrote this (the one who looks stupid according to oldpompous), we live in one of the greatest nations on the planet. Our poor people are among the “richest” poor people on the planet. Access to lifesaving healthcare is a phone call away. Human rights and advocacy of women, minorities, gays, various religions, etc are great when compared to places on this earth where people are literally punished and sometimes executed for saying the wrong thing or loving the wrong person or worshipping the wrong God. You do go on with your silliness about our fascist president, our concentration camps at the border and the terrible intolerance for minorities and members of the LGBT community. No doubt someone will yell that I’ve forgotten a couple of letters by using LGBT which isn’t inclusive enough and is hateful and intolerant on my part. [rolleyes]

oldhomey

No, crank, we know you to be hateful and intolerant by your totally uncalled for behavior on these boards. If you could admit you lied and were totally off base in your attempts to uncover the identities of people on here that you disagree with, you might discover what actual tolerance and forgiveness is. Getting back on here and telling us how great it was that you were able to rise in this society while mocking those who have actual concerns about healthcare, poverty, racism, sexism, rising fascism and so on is not going to give you a pass. Go back to your hole and lick your wounds.

crank

Mocking? Do you feel mocked, oldhomey? You comment as though you’re speaking for a committee of the perpetually aggrieved who have appointed you their spokesman . #kingofkings

“Go back to your hole and lick your wounds.” [ohmy]. Oh my.! You do believe yourself to be quite something, don’t you? #getoffmyboards #NPD

oldhomey

No, as you are well aware, crank, I speak only for myself on these boards. I find others on here consistently speak out with more purpose and meaning than I can manage, so I doubt anybody would appoint me as their spokesperson. I do believe that I have a right to my opinions, if that is what you are asking, and a right to my privacy, the same as you seem to expect for yourself. Why don't you respect that in others? Are your wounds forming scabs yet? They're going to leave horrible, disfiguring scars on your reputation, no matter what you do.

crank

Quoting you, old pompous one... (with emphasis added): ”No, crank, WE know you to be hateful and...” etc and so on.

If you are one person speaking only for yourself, why use a first person pronoun? Either you’re so accustomed to using multiple screen names you’ve started identifying yourself as we or you fancy yourself some sort of spokesperson for a group. Which is it?

crank

The comment should have read ... “a group first person pronoun. “

oldhomey

Well, try this on for size, crank. While you have attacked me, martian and Physics on these boards, pretending to have tracked us with your computer wizardry to learn our true identities while also identifying our computers and our computer accounts, the three of us have been joined by others on these boards condemning you for trying to bully your way with us. So I identify with those others as a collective of people who find you to be disgustingly dishonest and without integrity, and that is the "we" I referred to. You can go back through other posts and find who the others were, too, if you want to try to bully them, too. You won't succeed in bullying them, however, because you are transparently a liar and a sleazeball. We all pretty much have agreed on that.

crank

So you lied earlier... you do actually consider yourself their spokesperson. It makes sense that you also speak for your imaginary friend from mars but isn’t it a bit presumptuous to include Dennis?

Regarding the rest... you’re still completely anonymous and so is Dennis. Martian is you. [whistling][lol]

oldhomey

Well, gosh, crank, you and I have a different definition of what constitutes lying, I guess. But if I was presumptuous in saying I and others on these boards think you are the one who has shown hateful and intolerant behavior, those I have mentioned will get on here and tell me and you and the rest of the world that I am wrong, that I should not speak for them, that they do not believe that about you whatsoever. We shall see if they do or don't. What I think is lying is somebody who tries to convince everybody that he knows how to track down the identities of those who post on here whom he disagrees with, and that he can identify their computers and computer activity. Of course somebody boasting about those capabilities is lying and is only trying to bully his way around. And, when he is asked to prove that he has done this, he lies that all the proof was purged after two weeks and he never thought to save it. That is a liar. And it is also the actions of somebody who has a contemptible lack of ethics. Do you know anybody like this, crank? Don't lie now. Tell the truth. It is always the best policy, you know.

crank

Gosh! [ohmy] Listen to you whining about getting caught doing what you’ve routinely accused others who happen to disagree with you of doing. #enemieslist

First you pretended to be a spokesperson (self-appointed) to speak for the masses using group pronouns as if they’d make you sound more authoritative. #kingofkings #bigegolittlefella When called out for it, you ranted that you spoke only for yourself. Then you reversed yourself again as though you cannot recall the lies you’ve already told. Do you fancy yourself a spokesman for the trib-libs or not? Make up your mind!

oldhomey

Gosh, crank, perhaps I AM guilty of being pompous for using the word "we" in the context that I did. That was not my intent, but perhaps I should follow your example of using using more humble language, as you did in this recent post: "crank Jul 11, 2019 12:49pm We followed their progress through the tournament and watched some of the games." You da man, a guru I should be following for life's examples of honesty and purity of purpose.

crank

Well you’ve been talking out of both sides of your face...first it’s “we”... then it’s just you... then you go back to claiming you speak for the masses... Which is it?

You’re pretty spun up about this! You should try watching some sports on TV with your family. We watched them here at the house. They were good and competitive games, IMO. I was happy for their success! USA!

oldhomey

Am I pretty spun up about this, crank, or is your 6:04pm post an attempted smokescreen on your part to ignore the fact that you made a mountain out of a molehill over the use of "we", then used the plural first person word yourself? Of course you would rather ignore that fact. We expect that out of you.

crank

[yawn]. Why not let Cassandra Speak for herself? No no... these are YOUR boards. #kingofkings #hearmydecree

oldhomey

Excuse me, crank, but I guess I am being slow on the uptake here again. You suggest, "Why not let Cassandra Speak for herself? No no... these are YOUR boards. #kingofkings #hearmydecree" I do not see any connection to this exchange between you and me on the word "we" and Cassandra. Am I blind to something here? Silly me for asking the question. I am sure you will have an answer. Even you brilliant use of emojis seems to have broken down in this instance, but perhaps you can straighten me out on that, too.

oldhomey

crank? Nothing more to say? That was obvious, because you never had anything of value to say at the outset of this discussion.

Cassandra2

Ms. Allen's message is that of all the republicans: Ignore facts and reality and focus on the fallacy of American greatness and superiority. And the trump humpers fall in line. So unsurprising.

DMoney

"The fallacy of American greatness and superiority". What fallacy? Can you provide an example that's within context of the definitions of these terms? By every definition, we are great and we are superior. "Perfection" does not relate.

Jobaba

Healthcare.

DMoney

Our healthcare rates in terms of success of care/treatment are near the top.

oldhomey

That is not what the statistics show in the World Health Organization, D. We're not even close to the top. But that is based on data, and we know how much you base your opinions on data. Apparently very little of it is based on data.

martian2

Human rights advocacy

DMoney

Oh please...

oldhomey

There we have it again. D, the humanitarian. We are all SO moved and respectful of you and your better angels, D.

DMoney

We are again near the tip top in forms of human rights. I never said we're the best in ANY category. But we are cumulatively near the top in all, relative to the rest of the world's countries.

oldhomey

Carbon emissions reduction to mitigate for global warming.

DMoney

I'll give you that one

oldhomey

Life expectancy and infant mortality (though these probably fit under the healthcare rubric).

martian2

corrupt and inept foreign policy and border policy.

martian2

gerrymandering and voter suppression laws.

DMoney

Our border policy is far better than most countries facing anywhere near the crisis we do. We are tolerant and accepting compared to most. Our foreign policy is the greatest in world history. Nobody else has had such global reaching superiority in power yet exercised such restraint and diplomacy.

martian2

well D you can say you are proud of our border policy and the way we treat those seeking asylum. But pictures and the reality there paint a picture only a blind and ignorant person would be proud of. Other countries are much more open and welcoming to refuges, others are not. Fact is we should be doing much better humanely and not use "cruelty" as a deterrent to those seeking asylum as Trump is doing. Foreign policy involves a lot more than military power you idiot. It involves things like diplomacy, forming treaties and alliances, advocating peaceful resolutions where possible, keep rogue countries in check, promoting human rights, and spreading democracy around the world, not dictatorships and oligarchies like we are doing now. Man you got a lot to learn.

DMoney

You must not have read my whole comment referring to diplomacy, genius. Nobody has done a better job at any of the foreign policy examples you gave. And I mean nobody, not even close.

oldhomey

Could you provide some more data on how we excel in our border policies, D? And your statement about our foreign policy (as it stands in the Trump administration) is the greatest in world history? Did you read about the British ambassadors unfiltered opinion of Trump and his foreign policy? Did you read the follow-through of discovery that almost every ambassador in Washington shares his opinion? Do you think that means Donald Trump is an able steward of the power and prestige of the U.S. that he inherited when he took office? Do you realize that the prestige we had is crumbling all around us, and with the loss of allies our power will crumble, too? Having the most nukes on the planet and the best weapons systems doesn't mean we can achieve in the world what we want to achieve. You need friends and allies working with you, and he is stripping all of that away from us. But, sheesh, I shouldn't talk. You are the savviest person on these boards when it comes to geopolitics. At least that is what you have told us. I guess I should hold my tongue in your presence.

DMoney

The loss of our allies (we've lost none), the crumbling of world order (no new wars, no new enemies) are a total fantasy of yours.

oldhomey

Well, given your superiority in all things regarding geopolitics, as you so humbly have informed the rest of us posters, I guess we should all be relieved by your assurances that all of our allies are standing four-square with us under the incomparably wise and judicious use of American power by Donald Trump, and the world is at peace, finally. Somehow, I will not join you in those assumptions, however, D.

DMoney

Have we lost an ally? Has there been any new wars? Yes or no. If No, I'm right. If yes, you need a mental wellness check.

Rick Czeczok

Look at all the socialist activist post. These people are always so positive. Bunch of bobble heads always agreeing with each other on all things. No wonder no one reads this garbage anymore. They kraped in their own nest and ruined their own sounding board. Stupid morons.

Jobaba

What's a socialist?

Cassandra2

Still waiting for the great unmasking, Comrade Zerocock. I DARE YOU to tell the world who you claim to know I am. You won't because you can't. Either you are a total chickenshiit or just a liar. Which is it?

crank

Yeah, I agree. At this point there are comments here on a daily basis from only 10 or so screen names spouting the same leap over and over. When you consider the fact that oldhomey is at least two of them and he, in turn, has accused so many others of using multiple accounts, that leaves perhaps 4 or 5 actual real people posting/trolling here. #sockpuppets. It really is a stupid and silly exercise.

Compounding the stupidity of the online bickering, I just found out we’re paying $54.75 each month for this ridiculous publication. I had never seen the bill. The local TV stations provide better local news coverage. Current news (AP) and syndicated content is available elsewhere online. I justified home delivery of the print edition to have something for fish guts and painting projects while the missus likes the store ads. I subscribe to the Wall Street Journal online. I realized I can have it delivered to my house for less than this rag if I really need something to wrap fish guts.

martian2

well gee, crank you biotch about the price of this site and the Tribune but yet you still support it. Need something to wrap fish guts in you say, well its a pretty expensive wrapping for that. Most everything you say is trash anyway, so a perfect place for those fish guts would be for you to wrap your lips around the guts and swallow. That way what comes out of your mouth is the same as what goes in, pure garbage. And hey you can put the extra change in your hip pocket and save it for when the fish aren't biting.

oldhomey

You know what you can do, crank. Put up or shut up. You continually harp that I have more than one account on these boards. You say you have the proof. I know you do not because I am oldhomey and have no other accounts here. All you have to do is provide what you say is the proof that I have more than that identity, and i am gone from here forever. It ain't going to happen because it ain't so. If you can't provide the proof, you can at least admit you lied and moved on. One way or the other, put up or shut up. Your second paragraph perhaps hints that you are, in fact, going to pull the plug and disappear. That is up to you, big fella. You are welcome to prattle all you want here, but you won't be missed if you leave. Sheesh. Why do you go through the agony of these comment boards disgust you so much, anyway? If you subscribe to WSJournal home delivery while canceling the Tribune, your neighbors might be impressed with you finally, seeing you wrap your fish guts in one of the nation's premier newspapers. You could get on the Journal's comment boards, too, and deposit your b.s. there, instead of here. Go for it.

crank

I spoke of silly and stupid in an earlier comment. Note that both Silly and his sock puppet, Stupid, have now replied.

Speaking of hinting around at things...Only the mind of a pathetic narcissist like you would consider subscribing to the WSJ as a way to impress your neighbors. You’ve just revealed a great deal about yourself in your silly attempt to insult me and get me off ‘your’ boards, oldhomey. You believe, somehow, that your neighbors are watching/taking notice of your very important status based upon what you put in your trash. #kingofkings #getoffmyboards #enemieslist

crank

I already have the WSJ online. You described it as “one of the nation's premier newspapers”. I agree...

You did your best to miss the point just so you could troll. That point is....The sh¡tty little La Crosse Tribune charges more money per month for home delivery than “one of the nation's premier newspapers”. Silly, isn’t it?

martian2

cowardly crank can't put up any proof, cause there aint any to be shown. He's a liar, a coward, a wanna be bully, and just plain ignorant. kindly just pass by his posts as he has nothing but insults to offer to those he disagrees with. Typical of the right wingers here on these boards. Cowards of the highest degree.

oldhomey

Well, gosh, crank, I don't subscribe to the WSJournal myself. It is a great paper, and it should be the paper of choice for Republicans, as it trends very right-wing, but it does so in a way that does not affect its excellent news coverage. That and the fact that it still has an economic base that allows worldwide and deep coverage, like the New York Times and the Washington Post, is why it is an excellent newspaper. But to read a home-delivered newspaper incurs significantly higher costs than delivering online. First there is the cost of newsprint and ink, then there is paying for somebody to deliver, then there is the considerabl overhead costs of staffing and operating presses in an expensive piece of real estate, plus associated costs of paying for ad salesmen, designers and so on. So that might be why your WSJournal online subscription is more than your home delivered and still excellent value La Crosse Tribune, where, as you suggest, your wife can still get her grocery ads, you get far more news than you can get online, such as organizational meeting dates, anniversaries and all the humdrum but necessary news of the life of a community. I prefer it to reading online, but that is my preference, not necessarily that of anybody else. I hear your outrage that I am so narcissistic that I strut around believing I am impressing my neighbors by virtue of the names of newspapers that I read. That is SUCH an effective argument on your part. Perhaps you should go back to threatening to use your computer wizardry to strip away my anonymity and reveal my actual identity. That was SO effective, too. It effectively defined you as a sick sleazeball who cannot stand to lose an argument.

crank

Yes, all excellent points to consider, printing presses, newsprint, ink, expensive real estate,...

A home delivered subscription of the WSJ, printed on newsprint with ink applied by presses located on expensive real estate costs LESS than the La Crosse Tribune. Will you now reverse yourself and continue arguing, old pompous?

oldhomey

You'd have to prove that before I would believe it, crank. I believe you as much as I believe our president.

crank

Another tactic....Oldhomey covers his ears and says, “nuh uh! You’re lying!” [rolleyes]

https://store.wsj.com

“Get all the coverage you need with our print & digital package:

6-day home delivery and WSJ. Magazine Unlimited access to WSJ.com WSJ mobile and tablet apps Informative podcasts, featuring interviews with WSJ editors and notable influencers WSJ+ Premium Benefits Program, with complimentary access to an unmatched selection of events, offers and experiences”.

$22.50/month

The Fibune charges $54.75/month while moving operations out of La Crosse to Madison piece by piece.

crank

I see that after oldhomey’s bluster where he simply claims “nuh-uh! You’re lying!”, when presented with facts he squirts ink into the water like a slime little squid and flees rather than admit his error. (Into the weeds?)

oldhomey

Oh, gosh! I guess crank really caught me by the short hairs here because I did not see his reply and promptly answer it. I will, if he will permit me, answer it forthwith. The WSJournal subscription price he quotes is clearly marked as a special, introductory offer, and those taking the deal will have to pay more when it concludes. I don't know what the regular subscription price will be, but I expect it would be in the neighborhood of the La Crosse Tribune, or higher. Here is the fine print of the Journal offer: " Introductory pricing is only available to households or customers at a business address who have not been subscribers to The Wall Street Journal within the last 180 days. If you respond to this offer but do not qualify for introductory pricing, we reserve the right to reject your order or prorate your subscription term to reflect current subscriber pricing. This offer is only available in the contiguous U.S. and may be withdrawn at any time. Sales tax may apply. Please note that your subscription will renew automatically unless you cancel prior to renewal. Our secure server software encrypts information to protect your transaction."

crank

After analyzing and again claiming “Nuh uh, it’s discounted!”, you hope to hide the fact the price offered there is 50% off for a year! AND... if you need help with the math, even at FULL price, the cost of the WSJ is STILL less than the price of the La Crosse Tribune.

Perhaps you might simply admit you were wrong? I know...not your style. #bickerbickerbicker

C’mon dummy, just admit you’re wrong in spite of your in-depth knowledge of newspaper operations and the cost of newsprint, ink and ad sales staffing costs.

oldhomey

Being an old pal of yours, crank, I thought I should also give you a little heads up on your consideration of getting this bargain-basement subscription for the Wall Street Journal. That introductory rate is available to non-subscribers, and you already have an on-line subscription, so you do not qualify. If you want to pay the full subscription price for home delivery, go ahead. I just wanted to alert you to the reality of the offer, in case you would rather save a few bucks and just read it online. You don't have to thank me. I am just doing it as a friend.

crank

Yup! Asked and answered already, stupid! Since the last time I explained it, I can only conclude your latest post saying “Nuh uh!” is another way for you to avoid admitting you were wrong. $45 is full price, still less than $54.75.

oldhomey

The Wall Street Journal is only delivered six days a week, crank, skipping Sunday, which is a much more expensive newspaper than the other six days. Haven't you noticed? So it probably comes out fairly close to even when you factor that in vis a vis the cost of the La Crosse paper vs. WSJournal. But you don't get the local news coverage in the Journal. That is a big, big difference, despite your snotty opinions about it. You didn't ask, but is that an acceptable answer, nonetheless?

Jobaba

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/07/05/trump-is-falling-almost-1-million-jobs-short-vs-obama/#19f706818caa Not opinion. Obama saved the economy and it finally took of on a great track. Trump is not continuing the track. For his supporters, just look at the pictures of charts.

johnnybragatti

trump"s orgasmic love and devotion for the World's dictators and killers, should be nothing less than a major league embarrassment and humiliation, for ALL Americans. trump can be the ultimate coward, but not ALL Americans are into it. Besides that ....it is not OK.

oldhomey

I need to edit my posts before hitting the post button. "we tells us" should be "she tells us".

oldhomey

This woman seems as dim as her photo portrait portrays her to be. She acknowledges that everything in the Times video is essentially true, but without making argument for why we should do so, we tells us we should forget all that and cling to jingoistic sentiment that we are the greatest, anyway. We are great, no doubt about it. Other nations are, too. But we won't remain great and other nations will not remain great if we adhere to jingoism and complacently let the rot that all societies are prone to and must constantly clean up and remove before it spreads to far and deeply, damaging the structure of what actually makes us great. Trumpism in this country and the phony populism rising in other nations are just the sort of rot we need to flush out and sterilize.

new2Lax

Electing Trump had to happen and in the nick of time, say what you want, America is in for a shock going forward with what will be uncovered. There is not a doubt in my mind, this corruption being exposed now with not only the Clinton campaign, DNC, FBI, DOJ, State Department and the media will prove to be the biggest political scandal in American history. The reason it happened was the 92% chance Hillary would be elected and not a thing would have been said, they took the chance and it backfired like nothing you have ever seen before. The election was in the bag and if you could not show your blind allegiance to the Clintons, you would pay dearly. These investigation’s going on now will be something to see and will be unbelievably harsh on the participants. This needs to be flushed out and sterilized but it will be shocking.

oldhomey

Gosh, new2, you certainly live in exciting times in your own head. I am SO glad I am not in there with you.

new2Lax

God and so am I. These are exciting times and moving forward even more exciting. You know what’s coming, the ultimate downfall of the left along with the their coconspirators, the media. Ya, so for us it’s like springtime in the Rockies a breath of fresh air. The upcoming fiasco will be embarrassing for all of us but the American people need to know what has transpired, even if this great country of ours takes a hit and we will survive. The IG report will be delayed some because two of the folks interviewed want to recant on their prior testimony since John Durham was appointed to look into the mess and lying to him means jail time. They could lie to the IG and that is what appears to have happened. These witnesses figured they were going to be thrown under the bus and decided to come clean. Another outside the DOJ and the DOJ also has turned into a cooperations witness. When all is said and done, the spying will have been started by the Obama Administration but I don’t think this is much of a shock to most people. Tell me the things you think I’m wrong on regarding all this spying, dossier business and if you think there was no spying or anything illegal done here, Fusion GPS, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Christopher Steele, FBI, DOJ, State Departments Kathleen Kavelec, James Clapper, John Brennan, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, James Comey, Jim BakerFBI lawyer, Andrew McCabe. Comment on any or all of these folks if you think there is nothing there, be a specific.

oldhomey

I could go over this ad infinitum with you, new2, but we have covered all this ground many times already. Suffice to say that apparently Michael Horowitz, whose investigation of the DOJ that you so eagerly await, will release his findings in the next few weeks. He is, as I understand, cut from the same cloth as Mr. Mueller, a straight-arrow, incorruptible public servant. Given his reputation, I will accept his findings. Will you?

Cassandra2

Oh, Dear, Newt has been reading Q-Anon again.

DMoney

Wow! What an ugly thing to say. Is this sexism peeping out or are you just being downright mean? Regarding the writer's looks.

Cassandra2

Oh, Homey, my respect for you is diminished by your comment tying Ms. Allen's looks to her stupidity.

oldhomey

Well, Cassie, perhaps you and D are right, and I am being unworthy and mean on commenting on the vacuous expression on Ms. Allen's photo. How she looks in a photo has absolutely nothing to do with her or her stated opinions. I find it absolutely deplorable when Donald Trump says these sorts of things about women he dislikes. Strangely, I don't find it deplorable when he makes similar comments on the appearance of men that he dislikes, which I find reflect badly on on him, showing a measure of his own insecurity. So I should reassess my own sensibilities and sexist tendencies, I guess. Still, I find this particular columnist almost always vacuous and totally unoriginal in her thinking, not because she is a woman, but because she probably is not all that smart. There are other female columnists who are brilliant, including those whose politics I strongly disagree with. But, while I can't take my snarky comment back, I can and do publicly say here that I regret it.

martian2

good job homey, we all slip up, but only a few with the guts to own up to it. I don't care for this columnist either, but the way she looks has nothing to do with the way she thinks. If that were true I would hate to see what some of these twisted right wingers look like that post here. Like crank, if his brains were made of dynamite he would not have enough to blow his nose. But I digress, such childishness is best left up to the right wingers who don't have the skills it takes to understand an issue and debate civilly.

DMoney

"Debate civily" says the hypocrit who literally just called me an idiot, completely unprovoked. You make me laugh.

martian2

well sometimes I digress there D. I should be saying your views are idiotic. You constantly ignore the facts presented to you, brush them off as a non factor and start spewing the right wing fox news garbage. How about your pals Rick and redwall and crank, you never call them up on their vitriolic posts that do nothing but call names and personal insults to no end. That ok with you? Its ok for one side to do it but the other side better not, even a little bit. Is that how you operate?

DMoney

I've been crystal clear that I do not support or participate in any name calling, personal attacks/insults. These people know where I stand. You've never seen me jump in support of such attacks.

oldhomey

D, if the 1930s has a universal lesson for humanity, it would be this: If you support somebody politically, and that politician repeatedly attacks and maligns certain segments of society, if you keep you silence about the attacks and continue to openly support the attacker, you are complicit and will in history's eyes be assessed with the blame of criminal behavior against all mankind.

DMoney

What are your thoughts on 1930s /1940s Switzerland?

oldhomey

What is your point, D? Switzerland and Sweden both declared their neutrality during the war, knowing they would have to accept the world as it would be with whatever outcome resulting from the war. It was not exactly an heroic stand, but both countries did maintain their independence and served useful purposes as islands of safety in the stormy seas of warfare that enveloped Europe, protecting thousands upon thousands of people the fascists were murdering lustily within other borders. I should remind you, D, that the phony right-wing populism that you endorse and is now sweeping across Europe as Trump happily and willfully dismantles all of our post WWII alliances will soon have European nations jealously and perhaps murderously at each others throats again after three quarters of a century of unprecedented peace. Thanks.

crank

Reading this, oldhomey might consider another sock puppet named HennyPenny! [scared]

The "murderous" things happening in Europe are Trump's doing? Hmmmm.... and the crises, violence and unrest that pre-dated Trump's presidency? Which Republican villain from the US would you blame for breaking the unprecedented peace during the Paris terrorist attacks in 2015, war in the Ukraine or the migrant/immigration issues in Europe before Trump was in the White House... that YouTuber Tomi Lahren? Because... you know... a YouTube video DID cause all that Benghazi stuff! [whistling]

So I'm clear on your position, do you consider Sweden's and Switzerland's conduct during WWII to be "criminal behavior against all mankind" or is that characterization reserved only for people who don't vote for Democrats and disagree with you on this web site? It sounds to me like you're speaking out of both sides of your face again, King of Kings!

DMoney

My point is, neutrality doesn't automatically result in fault. Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, etc. all remained neutral and all softly supported one side or the other. It makes them neither guilty or heroic. That's the point of neutrality.

martian2

So Cynthia, the images of crowded conditions and inhumane treatment at the southern border reminds us how great our country is? That one is hard to understand. We are a nation of immigrants who came here because the conditions in their home country were unbearable. Same with central American immigrants of today. Yes this country offers certain liberties and opportunities and I think is a great place to live. But not all would agree with that, and that's fine too. We always have more to do as a nation as times change. We need greater equality and a better more responsive government. As long as we keep moving forward, not backward, we can be proud of this country. Lately though, it seems we have been doing the latter.

new2Lax

You actually should have your head examined. The economy which is the number one measurement of a countries success is in great shape as a matter of fact better than ever before and you somehow can not see it. This is what the Democrat strategy will be moving forward, trying talking people into not believing the economy is booming, fat chance but this is going to be their main talking point going forward. Absolutely unbelievable.

PhysicsIsFun

So it's all about the money for you. That explains a lot.

new2Lax

This is always the number one concern going into a Presidential election, it’s the economy stupid, that’s from James Caravelle. Many issues are important but the economy has been number one for as far as I can remember. You not understanding that, explains a lot.

martian2

its all about money and Trump for newt. His babbling and fist pumping cheer leading for his dear leader is way over board and too childish to bother reading anymore.

johnnybragatti

Too funny ...just wait till they yank Dr. Demento"s (aka Exlax-too), SSN Bennies. and cut off the medicare.This poor ,misbegotten, Trump-Humpin" sap, has nary a clue as to what the term: "Federal Deficit" adheres to. He obviously doesn"t know how to look anything up,either ,unless it"s in the Fox Britannica, or it's endorsed by the honorable :Alex Jones.

new2Lax

Well, if you want to get the correct information you better be looking to Fox, they are number one for a reason. Why would you go to an inferior rated outlet. Just makes no sense to me. CNN and MSNBC lost what ratings they had after their bogus Mueller report didn’t pan out. It was a real bummer for them and they just were not smart enough to figure it out.

oldhomey

I guess new2 did not get the message. Trump now says Fox is worse than CNN. Just goes to show you what an insider new2, the hapless pretender, actually is.

Cassandra2

Here's another great example of Newt's gaslighting. He conflates TV ratings (the ability to charge more for advertising based on the number of viewers) with quality of journalism. The two have NO co-relation. Fox's ability to entertain the masses with screaming heads and a steady flow of lies has nothing to do with reality.

PhysicsIsFun

Here is a great article about a typically bad day (7/9/19) on Fox news. The main source for the garbage Newt spews on here daily. On July 9th investigative reporter Michael Isikoff (Yahoo News) wrote how Sean Hannity accepted from Russia and then broadcasted the incorrect information that Seth Rich was murdered because he had leaked DNC emails to WikiLeaks — a claim that, if true, would indicate that the US intelligence community’s conclusions about Russia being behind the hacks of Democratic targets in 2016 were mistaken.. This was followed with a racist attack on Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) by host Tucker Carlson. Then Laura Ingraham and the Federalist senior editor Mollie Hemingway teamed up to sluut-shame Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who came forward late last summer with her statement that then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted her when they were in high school. Hemingway, promoting her new book, sought to discredit with no evidence Ford by describing her as “a heavy drinker who was much more aggressive with boys than we were led to believe” when she was in high school. Earlier in the day on Tuesday, Fox News used the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein — a convicted sex offender with ties to Bill Clinton and Donald Trump — to launch a misinformed attack on President Barack Obama. Afternoon host Harris Faulkner and Campus Reform editor Lawrence Jones III blamed Obama for the sweetheart plea deal Epstein received in 2008 from Alexander Acosta, a former US attorney who now serves as Trump’s secretary of labor — even though Obama wasn’t even inaugurated as president until January 2009. Just a regular day for that "top rated" news network that Newt and other ignorant geezers sit glued to every day. (https://www.vox.com/2019/7/10/20688767/fox-news-hannity-seth-rich-russia-tucker-carlson-ilhan-omar)

martian2

oh but you forgot physics, fox is number one. That means they are better than cnn and msnbc or anyone else. Thanks for the info, I got a chuckle out of it, then I got a little sick to my stomach thinking why would anyone watch that stupid fox news channel.

oldhomey

Physics,, that was an outstanding report. Thank you so very much.

crank

I wonder if you trib-libs realize how desperate you sound dismissing any dissenting opinion as coming directly from FOX News or Limbaugh. The fact that Dennis puts up this article from VOX is telling. VOX sounds like FOX and spends a great deal of time 'explaining' things for liberals the way liberals want to hear them. Not much different than FOX does for conservatives. Yet, Dennis and later oldhomey proudly proclaim VOX as a source of unbiased news while dismissing FOX as completely biased. Ezra Klein would describe Sean Hannity as a rabid ideologue (as would I) but not Paul Krugman or Rachel Maddow.

This description of Vox seems to capture the essence of the site while helping us understand, in a nutshell, where trib-libs find their arguments and form opinions about anyone who disagrees with them.

"The online news outlet designed for woke millennials with liberal arts degrees. Vox purports to be the source and rendezvous for all things woke and its travelers. If you disagree with Vox it means you're a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, islamaphobe, who wants polar bears to drown and schoolchildren to get shot up. Ezra Klein, it's founder and editor in chief, is so woke and self hating due to his whiteness , at the beginning of each work day he allows his non-white colleagues to flagellate him, peg him, and f a rt into his mouth while he confesses his white sins from yesterday; typically something like attempting to fist bump a brother which is an act of cultural appropriation and white supremacy in Vox land."

From this description, it sounds like Cassandra2 may also be a loyal consumer of news from that site! [smile]

oldhomey

Perhaps you could supply to me and others where you get your information about us, crank, so we can correct your misconceptions about what informs our opinions. I can't vouch for Physics sources, as I don't know the man. But I can tell you this, I am totally unaware of a website called VOX. If I have seen it named in print, it did not register with me enough to investigate what it is, and I have never looked at it in my life, so far as I know. So how is it that you can say that I rely on VOX for my information? I rely on this newspaper, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune and, occasionally, other papers, including your beloved Wall Street Journal. I often use the internet when I find myself weak in some area of discussion, looking for actual, vetted facts to guide me. But let me tell you something I know about you because I actually saw you say these things on these boards, unlike you imagining me quoting VOX. I have seen you say that you track people posting here with whom you disagree, trying to find their actual identities, their computer ip address and computer activity. You obviously lie about that. But you then go on to lie about the identities you say you uncovered. Since you are attacking Physics here, let you and I take him for the example of your lying. You first said you identified him as being Dennis, and I believe you said he lived in Tomah. He laughed at you for your lame and totally false i.d. of him. So you lamely said you must have been mistaken. Now you are back to calling him Dennis. Why? For the same reason you are back to insisting that I use more than one account and screen name on these boards. Because you think if you keep lying, people will believe you, even though you duck every demand to put up some proof or shut up. You are the open aperture of the rear end of a hyena.

crank

Never, oldhomey? Never in your life? How ‘bout July 10-11? [rolleyes]

Perhaps you’ll scroll back in this comment thread to the article Dennis posted. He included the link. You wrote in reply, “Physics,, that was an outstanding report. Thank you so very much.”

It seems your memory and/or ability to discern facts from make believe have become somewhat retarded.

oldhomey

Well, gosh, crank, did I misstate something here?: "I can tell you this, I am totally unaware of a website called VOX. If I have seen it named in print, it did not register with me enough to investigate what it is, and I have never looked at it in my life, so far as I know." Perhaps you could show in this statement how I misrepresent myself, that I in fact am an avid consumer of VOX for information. I read the facts laid out by Physics, and then I saw at the end that he sourced these facts from VOX. I thought it was an outstanding report, and I said so. Perhaps, though, it was not so outstanding. I have not noticed that you have tried to dispute what it is saying, however. Anyway, this is the first time I ever endorsed a VOX report, and only in secondhand fashion, as I was responding to a post by Physics. But, as a person who gets upset with the use of the first person plural noun "we", I can see how somebody with your hyper-sensitivities could get confused by both facts and intent. Don't let it get you down. We all know about this and expect it from you.

oldhomey

By the way crank, your 8:16am post was obviously yet another smokescreen to avoid answering my 10:26pm post. Now that "we" both recognize that, would you please answer the questions I raide in the 10:26pm post?

crank

Yes... you know all about smokescreens, oldhomey. Thank you for that report from Vox, Physics! Gosh it was awesome! [rolleyes]

oldhomey

What a swell comeback, crank. Was that your supposed coup de grace?

Cassandra2

It's all about the money for Newt, who continues to ignore the fact that the economy is NOT great for the millions of people who can't afford to live in this country, despite holding multiple jobs. This isn't a "strategy." But it is a strategy known as gaslighting to make claims that simply aren't true. But facts don't matter to the trumpanzees.

martian2

[thumbup]

DMoney

Their fault!

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