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Was this book necessary? Hillary Clinton’s anguished, angry memoir of her presidential campaign, “What Happened,” will be unveiled this week, complete with television appearances and a 15-city lecture tour.

Other Democrats have been dreading this moment for months.

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Doyle McManus | Los Angeles Times

“I love Hillary,” Al Franken, the senator from Minnesota, said a few weeks ago. “I think she has a right to analyze what happened. But we do have to move on.”

A backward-looking slog through the disappointments of last year’s campaign is not what most Democratic politicians want to dominate the news this fall.

And that, judging from the many excerpts that have leaked, is exactly what Clinton’s book is: a long and dutiful post-mortem on how she lost to an unqualified blowhard who was even less popular than she was.

Clinton doesn’t spare herself from blame. She admits mistakes large and small. “It’s fair to say that I didn’t realize how quickly the ground was shifting under our feet,” she writes. She acknowledges that she never came up with a theme as compelling as Trump’s “Make America Great Again.”

But she doesn’t spare anyone else from blame, either. Her list of the guilty begins with James Comey, Julian Assange and Vladimir Putin, all justifiably. Less justifiably, she also blames Bernie Sanders, and even — in smaller ways — Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Her decision to relitigate her bitter primary battles with Sanders has especially distressed other Democrats because it rolls a grenade into their not-yet-successful efforts to reunify the party.

The independent senator’s attacks on her big-dollar fundraising made it easier for Trump to paint her as “Crooked Hillary,” Clinton complains. “I don’t know if that bothered Bernie or not.”

Sanders — who, as luck would have it, is on a book tour of his own — fired back. “Secretary Clinton ran against the most unpopular candidate in the history of this country and she lost, and she was upset about it and I understand that,” he said last week. “But our job is not to go backward. ... I think it’s a little bit silly to keep talking about 2016.”

This, of course, is a gift to Trump and his conservative allies. They’d like nothing better than to make Clinton the public face of the Democratic Party again — especially since her approval rating in the polls, at 30 percent, is even lower than the president’s. Fox News Channel is giving the book launch lavish coverage, including segments re-examining the controversy over her emails.

Clinton’s excuse: “I had to get this off my chest!” she writes at one point, an explanation that pretty much covers all 512 pages.

But most losing presidential candidates don’t write books about the experience. And the ones who do normally wait a decade or so before ripping the bandages off their wounds.

Mitt Romney didn’t do it after 2012. John McCain didn’t do it after 2008. (As he noted last week, “You’ve got to move on.”) To find a loser who did memorialize his defeat, you have to go back to Richard M. Nixon in 1960 — not a model you might have expected Clinton to emulate. There’s a reason for that. Airing grievances, even when they’re justified, rarely shows anyone’s most appealing side. For losing candidates, even in arguably stolen elections, the tradition has been stoic silence.

It would be one thing if Clinton’s book delivered new insights about what went wrong. But it doesn’t. Every one of her explanations has been hashed out already.

Here’s the pity: She could have written a different book — a book that briskly summarized the lessons of her loss and suggested a path forward for the causes she loves. It wouldn’t have been a bestseller, but it might have been more useful. Needless to say, the relatively brief, forward-looking part of Clinton’s message has been swamped in media coverage by all the juicy score-settling.

Clinton appears to intend her book to be a vehicle for her re-emergence onto the public stage. “There were plenty of people hoping that I, too, would just disappear,” she writes. “But here I am.”

She has set up a new fundraising organization to support progressive causes and serve as her platform. (It’s called “Onward Together,” a name even less inspiring than her campaign slogan, “Stronger Together.”)

But after all her reflection, she still hasn’t quite figured out what went wrong.

“What makes me such a lightning rod for fury?” she writes. “I’m really asking. I’m at a loss.”

With that question unanswered, she might have been better off stowing “What Happened” in a desk drawer. The lesson she’s learning is a harsh one: After a disastrous election, even the supporters of a defeated candidate may not be eager to have her around.

Los Angles Times columnist Doyle McManus can be reached at at doyle.mcmanus@latimes.com.

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Hey19

Nearly four days, and no reply from oldhomey...

Hey19

Three days and counting and oldhomey can't own up to the falsehoods he's been called out on. He's hoping this silently fades into the archives, as he cowardly refuses to address them whilst hiding in the weeds...

Meanwhile, although he won't address this thread, he's off posting in other threads, ready to pounce whenever he sees my name, so he can distort my comments yet again...

you da man, old dude, stuffed full of crow...

Hey19

48 hours and oldhomey still in the weeds.

Hey19

Well, folks, it's been at least 24 hours since oldhomey - he a self-proclaimed bastion of the truth - was confronted with two falsehoods he posted here in this thread regarding US Presidents/military service and 17 intelligence agencies/Russia...

But he has yet to acknowledge them, has silently disappeared into the weeds to continue to nibble on his large helping of crow... No comment from the blowhard when he's proven to be factually wrong. And he has the audacity to boast "when caught, I have had to eat crow, admit my mistake, apologize, retract my remarks and move on." Too funny, old dude.

I guess oldhomey, when caught, prefers to pretend this thread doesn't exist and that it gets lost in the shuffle, hoping no one realizes he be dodging, dodging and dodging, just moving on, all right.

nibble on, oldhomey, nibble on...

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,crow,FF.html

oldhomey

Whew! I would imagine that this column and its endless string of comments, mostly between me and the poor, benighted Hey19, is about to age out. Before it does, I would like to publicly note here that in his latest example of kicking my "arse", Hey19 offers up a link to a column originally running on July 11. He begins to kick my "arse", it appears to me, however, in comments he made under the July 11 column that he wrote and posted in August and September, long after the original column stopped showing up on the online website of the Tribune, so he was having at me without my knowledge, crowing joyously about how afraid I was to answer him. A bravura performance, indeed, in his own mind. To answer the question here that he raised in that string was that the report from U.S. intelligence that there was serious evidence and concern uncovered about Russian interference in the 2016 election was issued by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the 17 federal intelligence gathering agencies. Yes, Donald Trump, there ARE that many intelligence agencies in your government. Just thought the president should know.

The 17 agencies did not individually release that opinion. In fact, not all were directly involved in reaching that opinion, but saw fit that the report be issued with their concurrence. The four agencies (apparently wobbly operations all, in Hey19's extremely considered, well-informed opinion) that did most of the work and raised the issue of Russian interference based on their intelligence we're CIA, FBI, NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which is an umbrella agency that oversees all 17 organizations.

So, gosh, Hey19, I really see your point now. No need at all to be concerned about Russian interference when the evidence is so thin and the source of it so questionable.

Hey19

Actually, those comments in the July 11 lowry column (the one where you had your arse kicked and are still lying about) were placed within that July 11 column in August and September to prove that it does, indeed, exist. They were usually added after you whined in other non-related threads about the July 11 column not existing. But you were never able to man up and find your way back to comment in that July 11 column, dude, where I was taunting your dodging and lying little arse all along...

re: 17 intelligence agencies = It's apparent oldhomey disagrees with the NY Times, which buried a correction regarding that number late June, or the weekend before July 4.

And director Clapper testified in May (I believe) to this matter. He said it wasn't 17; the number was, indeed, as I have factually and correctly stated elsewhere.

Here is the exchange between Clapper and Franken:
Franken: The intelligence communities have concluded, all 17 of them, that Russia interfered with this election. And we all know how that’s right.

Clapper: Senator, as I pointed out in my statement, Senator Franken, it was- there were only three agencies that directly involved in this assessment plus my office.

Franken: But all 17 signed on to that?

Clapper: Well, we didn’t go through that process. This was a special situation because of the time limits and […] the sensitivity of the information, we decided – it was a conscious judgment – to restrict it to those three. I’m not aware of anyone who dissented, or disagreed when it came out.

So, old dude, I have corrected your factually-incorrect statement twice now. And it's apparent you still do not see my point. That's to be expected from you however; you've eaten, but not admitted to doing so, a lot of crow this week.

carry on, dude...

gore/oldhomey 2020*
*all whewed out, and probably sick of the taste of crow...

Hey19

apparently you still can't read, and, once again, distort my comments...
the "wobbly" was what you used on used to label and try to discredit my sources.
Those" wobbly" sources, as you characterized them, regarding the 17 intelligence agencies, were NOT the CIA, FBI, NSA and Office of the Director of NI. (And I never called those organizations wobbly.) They were AP, CNN and NY Times, who all issued corrections... Those were what you called the "wobbly" sources... Comprende? Apparently not...

Hey19

Interesting. oldhomey has time to comment three times after the oldhomey Sep 18, 2017 3:01pm/Hey19 Sep 18, 2017 3:48pm exchange...

But the old dude - Mr. "When caught, I have had to eat crow, admit my mistake, apologize, retract my remarks and move on." - he suddenly has nothing to say, gone to hide in the weeds...

What say you, old dude? Have yet another helping of bird, dude...
Although you're probably getting pretty good in prepping crow for a meal, here are some new recipes for future reference:

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,crow,FF.html

oldhomey

My goodness. What to make of Hey19's 11:04am post. He seems to be saying that I make my feelings known much too often on these forums, particularly, I guess, when it comes to pointing out Hey19's lies and deceits. So, without indicating where this occurred or how he came to this conclusion, Hey19 swaggeringly boasts: "But the old dude - Mr. "When caught, I have had to eat crow, admit my mistake, apologize, retract my remarks and move on." - he suddenly has nothing to say, gone to hide in the weeds..."

I know Hey19 thinks I am soft in the head, but, sweet pea, I ain't THAT soft in the head. You unconvincingly spluttered and spouted here without saying a single thing that stands up to scrutiny.

Hey19

No, you again infer incorrectly, old dude. Not surprising, though. You are, indeed still soft in the head...

And you still can't read, because my "swaggering boast" was clearly made right after the comments you blew right past and dodged, the oldhomey Sep 18, 2017 3:01pm/Hey19 Sep 18, 2017 3:48pm exchange...

It's not a matter of you bloviating too much on these forums, but rather pointing out you had the time to post three other times after ignoring that exchange, dude.

Read that exchange down below three or four more times until it sinks in. Where's your response to your falsehoods about presidential military service, dodger? (Or would you prefer liar?)

Then tell me how the crow you are eating tastes. You must have perfected several recipes by now. Although with you I'm beginning to think you have an acquired taste for crow...

carry on, lying dude...

pst. Although it took you two posts today to totally dodge your falsehoods regarding the presidents, you've got to be getting pretty close the +/300 words I predicted it would take you to respond with...

Buggs Raplin

I see the collusion between POO and the Tribune continues.

Hey19

Re: oldhomey Sep 17, 2017 8:58pm

You: oldhomey Sep 17, 2017 8:58pm

Me: http://lacrossetribune.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/rich-lowry-trump-is-winning-the-immigration-debate/article_532bd869-a9cf-583d-a323-08ee74baa9ee.html?mode=comments

How does your crow taste, old dude? Would you like a little salt and pepper to go with it? Oh, and save some for your minion kingman10.

oldhomey's arse was and is kicked, and you two liars have been check mated...

We now return you all to the regularly-scheduled kingman10 and oldhomey lying babblefest...

oldhomey

Well, Hey19, now that you are desperate, you finally throw a Lowry column on the table and claim this is the one in which you kicked my "arse". Why didn't you provide it months ago? Still, the question you claim I went running away from in terror, refusing to discuss because it brought me to my knees, paralyzed without an answer to it, is the very same rhetorical question that I have answered several times for you in several ways. Every murder is one murder that should not have happened, but as I explained to you ad infinitum in this exchange way back in July, the law under discussion, Kate's Law, is a red herring concocted by right wing Congressmen trying to look tough on immigration, even though the law would do nothing to improve the laws already on the books. It is a grandstanding piece of useless legislation. Since you are once again crowing that you kicked my behind in this exchange, I will lay it out exactly as it appeared in July:

Hey19 Jul 11, 2017 8:37pm
Do you think it is OK to harbor illegals who have committed serious crimes, oldhomey?

How many people have to die at the hands of illegal, deported, immigrants for you to be concerned, oldhomey?

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capedcrusader
capedcrusader Jul 12, 2017 9:57am
How many people have to die from the hands of irresponsible gun users before you become concerned? And were you just as concerned about illegal immigration when Ronald Reagan was President?

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Hey19 Jul 12, 2017 6:24pm
caped - I don't ever recall expressing my views here about gun ownership, perhaps I have, so I'm not sure how you draw your erroneous conclusion about me. Nice try, but your premise is wrong that I don't care about irresponsible gun use...
(I do support concealed carry, for people to be able to defend themselves from those who use guns irresponsibly... And if I am to die by from gun shot wound, I'd rather it be from friendly fire from someone who was trying to protect me, rather than at the hands of someone who was trying to kill me. So I guess at least one death at the hands of an irresponsible gun user concerns me, eh dude?)

I'm all for immigration, if those who come here do so properly... But I became concerned about illegal immigration - read: protecting our borders - during the Carter administration, when the Cuban refugees began arriving at Fort McCoy after Castro emptied prisons and let them flee...

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oldhomey Jul 12, 2017 2:49pm
Hey19, I think anybody who "harbors" a deranged, sociopathic killer, as was the case in this murder, should be arrested and prosecuted. Who did that in this case? This is a law playing to the peanut gallery, a showboat, empty performance. The fact of the matter is that illegal aliens commit far fewer crimes than U.S. citizens on a per capita basis. They are prone to not wanting to bring attention to themselves by law enforcement. Now that you are on your soapbox, angrily snarling at me, perhaps you could explain to all of us how "Kate's Law" is going to make us safer. The killer was a sociopath. Do you think sociopaths of any stripe give any consideration for laws and societal rules? Do you think spending $25 billion or more on a senseless wall is going to stop somebody like him from coming into our country? Do you think once here that any city would knowingly "harbor" psychopaths? What laws do you think will effectively stop a determined psychopath to re-enter the country if he or she is determined to do so. Do you seriously think "Kate's Law" will do the trick?

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Hey19 Jul 12, 2017 6:45pm
Why so defensive, oldhomey? Is it because we now know it takes more than one death at the hands of an illegal alien, five times deported, for you to become concerned?

And way to twist the Steinle case around, dude. (But that's because you apparently have not read the law, like I have.) This is not about illegal aliens committing fewer crimes than US citizens - it is specifically about illegals who've been deported continuously, who still return to our country - to safe haven sanctuary cities like SF - and then commit additional crimes, all because the federal immigration enforcement that would have kept them out of the country after their first deportation is not happening...

So yes, I think Kate's Law will help in preventing this from happening again. Do I think it "will do the trick?" entirely? I'm not sure, but at least I think one death is too many, unlike you...

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oldhomey Jul 13, 2017 5:57pm
In other words, Hey19, you in fact cannot offer any reasonable evidence that Kate's Law, which you assure us you have read thoroughly and understand completely, will offer more protection than we already have from sociopathic illegal aliens returning to this country after expulsion.

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Hey19 Jul 13, 2017 10:55pm
ah, oldhomey?
You just tee it up with your hanging curveball and I just keep knocking it out of the park, as usual... Bring in someone from the bullpen who actually knows what he's talking about, will you?

If you'd have bothered to read Kate's Law {I apologize to everyone for being a broken record in scolding oldhomey, but oldhomey - he who claims he knows the intent and fine points of the law - has yet again failed to do his homework}, you, oldhomey, would have realized those illegal aliens who have been deported and re-enter the country face imprisonment.

(That's a rather simple concept - prisons, in part, are built to protect us - but one you apparently can't comprehend.)

Your pomposity and ignorance never cease to amaze me, dude...

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oldhomey Jul 14, 2017 5:29pm
Well, Hey19, I certainly should not go up against a home run hitter like you. I wouldn't want you to strike out at a curveball, but as I read the laws as they stand regarding this problem, we already sentence repeat offenders who re-enter this country illegally to federal prison time. I am not sure what those sentences are, something like 18 to 30 months, I believe, while, if I am not mistaken, Kate's Law would call for 60 months. Hmm. Tell me, Hey19, since I am so dimwitted and rendered speechless in the presence of your awesome fund of knowledge, how simply putting a longer sentence on these repeat offenders is going to stop an expelled but determined sociopathic illegal alien from re-entering the country illegally. You like to paint me as being a person who has no sympathy for the tragic death of the woman whose name is so crassly attached to this political showboat piece of legislation. But this so-called Kate's Law actually is yet another rightwing distraction designed to keep people's attention off the real problems and solutions we should be pursuing for illegal immigration. Show me how I am wrong, Hey19.

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Hey19 Jul 14, 2017 8:47pm
Re: oldhomey: Jul 14, 2017 5:29pm
"Show me how I am wrong, Hey19."

Let me count the ways.... but sorry, dude, I really don't have the amount of time needed to do such, especially for someone who finally agrees with me on something - that he is, indeed so dimwitted and rendered speechless in the presence of my awesome fund of knowledge....

And yes, I do paint you as one who has no sympathy for the likes of Kate Steinle; your flippant and cavalier responses to this issue is evidence of if, in your words, not mine...

but carry on, dude....

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oldhomey Jul 14, 2017 10:11pm
Okay, let it be noted, then. Hey19 simply can't find the words to defend how Kate's Law is a good piece of legislation. He can't find the words because he realizes the idea actually is just a window dressing piece of legislation that will change nothing. Or perhaps I give him too much credit, and he doesn't even realize that. Nonetheless, you will see no defense of Kate's Law from him. He officially is now in the weeds with Buggs, hiding out.

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Hey19 Jul 15, 2017 3:23pm
oldhomey? Why should I continue wasting time with someone who admits he hasn't even read the law, and therefore continues to show his ignorance of its basic tenets, which are the basis of my defense of the legislation?

I'll reiterate that my statement about your flippant and cavalier attitude regarding this legislation pretty much sums up your pathetic, sad existence as a poster on this topic... But hey, if it, and your ignorance, makes you, in your obvious insecurity, feel superior, so be it...

I've already wasted too much time on you today as it is, so carry on, oldhomey, ye of 100 posts daily*

* He floods the boards here so he can tag half of his comments with his signature shtick line of "hiding in the weeds." Thus, when others don't have time to continue talking past an obtuse poster such as oldhomey, or overlooks the 35 he tagged with his lame mantra, oldhomey can brag about what a wonderful debater he is...

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oldhomey Jul 16, 2017 5:37pm
Hey19 refuses to go into the weeds. He thinks he makes his case by standing there babbling while not answering the argument. He STILL has not made a case of how Kate's Law will have any meaningful change other than to be a ruse of right-wing politicians to sound like they are tough. Have you read the laws, Hey19 that were already on the books before this piece of grandstanding legislation was proposed? Did those laws let repeat offenders off scott free? Did they have prison time attached to them? How do they compare with Kate's Law? Now you may go hide in the weeds with Buggs, as I know you are bereft of an honest answer.

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Hey19 Jul 16, 2017 9:56pm
Considering I'm always a step ahead of you on research - seeings you haven't even bothered to read the actual legislation (Kate's Law) we're talking about - you know in your heart the answer to the question you asked = that I have, indeed, knowledge of what laws are currently on the books...

Sorry, dude. But you'll have to continue to remain in the dark on this issue, for I have led you to the water, but like the stubborn, pigheaded, a** - er donkey is your party's symbol, right? - you refuse to drink...

Thus, as I babbled on earlier, I really don't feel a need to waste my time making a case to and educating someone who isn't even up to speed on the discussion...

PS. Your record player is stuck on stupid, er, I mean skipping. You said "hide in the weeds" yet again, skippy. Good one! But I spotted it. (It's like a game to me, playing Where's Waldo?)

But carry on, dude. Carry on.

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oldhomey Jul 17, 2017 10:53pm
Wow, Hey19, I think I HAVE given you too much credit in the past if you actually think anybody will buy into your explanation why you will not tell us how Kate's Law is anything but a worthless piece of grandstanding legislation that will solve no problems. You are truly an empty vessel.

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Hey19 Jul 18, 2017 12:29pm
Re: oldhomey: Jul 17, 2017 10:53pm
Time to bring the discussion full circle, and ask oldhomey the question he has repeatedly dodged, and the only one that really matters:

How many people have to die at the hands of illegal, deported, immigrants for you to be concerned, oldhomey?

Call me an empty vessel all you want; words, however, cannot express the shallow, callous, ignorant (I could go on with the adjectives, but a hat trick here will suffice) attitude you've displayed in this thread....

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Hey19 Jul 18, 2017 10:43pm
oldhomey be hiding in weeds up to armpits...

Hey19

How does your crow taste, old dude? Would you like a little salt and pepper to go with it? Oh, and save some for your minion kingman10.

oldhomey's arse was and is kicked, and you two liars have been check mated...

Hey19

And, since i don't like kicking a dead crow in your mouth, my final response to your cut and paste job here is, indeed, in the lowry column (linked above, for those who are scoring at home and want the full context of this matter) in which your arse was, indeed, kicked... But your head is so far up your arse, i'll forgive you for the concussion you sustained that day...

carry on, dude, and just keep spinning around like a lizard brain chasing its tail...

oldhomey

Ir is nice to see that your limited imagination is intact, Hey19. It me that cut and paste the exchange in which you love to boast that you booted my behind so thoroughly. I re-posted it to make it clear that you must have suffered a spate of St. Vitus' Dance disease at that time, leaving you with the impression that your jumping, swinging leg was propelled to my backside. I am sorry for your distress, but it never happened, as you can see by the cut and paste exchange. I have, in fact, willingly eaten crow before on these posts. You ought to try it. It is a liberating thing for your soul, and certainly you have mounds and mounds of dark feathered birdies piled at your feet, awaiting your toothless bite.

oldhomey

Sorry, "It was me who cut and pasted the exchange . . . "

oldhomey

Now that Hey19 has finally tucked his tail between his legs and crept off in shame, having to acknowledge he lost his argument about his lies, it is time to ring the dinner bell here for two others caught in this string lying. new2, the posts in which you claimed to have been hurt financially by rising Obama prices while losing your doctor have been recovered and published here, showing that your denial of having said these things is another of your lies. Let's hear you tell us you were wrong here. Ditto for Melowese, who loudly chortled that Ted Cruz did not as a senator oppose federal hurricane recovery funding for the victims of Hurricane Sandy in the northeast. Silly you. By the time the bill came up, he had been seated as a senator and was a very loud and nasty opponent to the whole idea of the federal government extending a helping hand, far from what he is saying now that tens of thousands in his own state of Texas have been flattened by hurricanes. Do you care to acknowledge your "mistake", Melo?

Hey19

It's apparent that oldhomey will continue to dodge, distort and lie about my comments here regarding the Lowry column in question, so I'm taking high road - something he has yet to step foot on regarding this matter.

For as someone old and wise once suggested to me: "Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it." If this all has validated your sense of self worth, old dude, I'll slop you some grub and let you consider your behavior the last two months as a moral victory, dude. But the truth is and always has been on my side regarding your petty squabbles regarding the butt-whipping you experienced and have dodged, and the truth shall one day set you free from the pain and turmoil you have felt for two months now...

My thruths and your lies are all there in black and white throughout these forums regarding this matter. As Casey Stengel once said, "You can look it up."

So, old dude, I'm done talking past a liar and wrestling with a pig. You can keep wrestling solo, though - wrestling with the pangs of guilt you feel about the lies you have spread about me here in these forums...

Carry on, old dude. And take the last word, as you undoubtedly will (+/- 400 word response). Make it a good one. No apologies needed; you are forgiven for showing your true colors for over two months now. Perhaps some day you'll man up...

Oh, and yep, call me a lizard brain again, or hiding in the weeds, or whatever trite expression that comes to mind when you feel the "power" to denigrate someone else in these forums. I'm sure it makes you feel so good. But this lizard brain is finally going to scamper away with his head held high regarding this matter. For he has far better things to do than to feed a lying troll named oldhomey...

over and out, old dude.

Buggs Raplin

It appears you've realized what a liar and complete phony old POO is and no longer want to debate him. Good for you. It's an obvious waste of your time. There has to be a certain amount of respect for one's opponent in a political discussion, but POO has proven himself over and over and over again, he's not worthy of such respect. I'll continue replying to his lies whenever his ally, the Tribune allows, with an 'add reply.' It's so much fun to belittle him, this intelligence operative posing as a bleeding heart liberal, when he's actually using that brand to advance the elite agenda. There's nothing liberal or conservative about POO. He's just a propagandist for the elite. If the elite want liberalism, he'll support it. If the elite want conservatism, he'll support it. Right now the elite are trying to imprint liberalism upon the people, so naturally, POO is now a liberal. POO has no beliefs of his own, except his obedience to power.

oldhomey

Isn’t Buggs a treasure? Here he has Hey19’s lies very meticulously laid out and accounted for, using Hey19’s own words to prove his dishonesty, and Buggs, who has been caught in the same fashion on these posts numerous times, comes rushing in to defend Hey19. It is a striking example of honor and loyalty among those sharing preponderantly reptilian brain functions in their daily life, which would be Buggs and Hey19. Buggs here, realizing that Hey19 has been caught dead to rights, applauds how Hey19 responded by running away. Two lizards hiding in the grass, Buggs and Hey19. A discussion, Buggs, presumes the participants exchanging views are doing so in good faith, using information to form their opinions that they believe to be factual and supported by reality. In this case, Hey19 was caught using information that he knew did not exist. You have been shown to use falsely manufactured information constantly on these posts to support your insupportable positions, so naturally you will feel an affinity with Hey19. You are no better than the company you keep.

Buggs Raplin

POO, you are the biggest liar on this web site. Your accusations are laughable.

oldhomey

ANOTHER stinging rebuke from Buggs Raplin! My he certainly knows how to take apart an opponent's post, break it down piece by piece, to show how wrong his opponent is, showing the obvious falseness of his opponent's lies. But it is easier for Buggs to cry Liar! CIA! Building 7! Sandy Hook! States' Rights! All of them, curiously, favorite lies of Bugg's.

kingman10

good riddance Hey19. that old post that YOU bring up about a lowry column on aug 20 has always been a joke on your part. I looked it up and you never even posted an opinion on that column, so yes that makes you a liar. Why you constantly brought up a column from the past that you claim to kick arse on was to boost your ego, which has taken a beating numerous times. Some of us called you out on your lies and so you continually bring up that one past lowry column. As if that is proof positive of your superiority. What a sorry state to be in. Perhaps you should hang out with people gullible enough to believe your trash.

Hey19

hey kingman10... i see you're still demonstrating that you can't read or comprehend what you've read... and thanks for the repeated falsehoods about the aug. 20 lowry column, dude, for you exposed yourself as a liar, too, and oldhomey was gullible enough to fall for your lie.

kingman10 if you want to run with the big dogs here, you best learn to life your leg a little higher near the fire hydrant instead of just squatting...right now you're really just a courtyard jester....

pst. my ego is just fine, dude. takes more than inferiors such as yourself and oldhomey to damage it...
pst... go ahead, make my day. what lies have you caught me in again?

carry on, dude.

oldhomey

Instead of lashing out, Hey19, you might consider telling us what "falsehoods" kingman issued about the August 20 Lowry column. None, that I can see. You never even posted to it until three days ago, even though you insisted for weeks that you had published a "link" to the fantasy column in which you say you kicked my buttocks severely. Kingman is no dog, so why would he want to run with the likes of you? Surely you jest as you try to buttress your debilitated and obviously impaired ego. I hope I have helped make this an inferior day for you.

Hey19

Why am I calling out the liar, kingman? Because he lied. duh!
In the column by John M. Crisp: Not every monument is divisive, dated Sep 6, 2017, he claimed as follows:
"here is that Lowry column hey 19 likes to brag about from aug. 20th. http://lacrossetribune.com/opinion/columnists/rich-lowry-echoes-from-the-breitbart-presidency/article_0ddb7d3f-db55-5a2a-96df-fc1478d69b70.html
read it and luagh, hey19 didn't even post anything on that column. He sure kicked arse."

I never said the Aug. 20 Lowry column was the one in question; I said I supplied the link to the lowry column in question on Aug. 20, and that the actual lowry column in question ran about two months ago (from the date of kingman's lie). And, indeed, that link was provided, on Aug. 20, linking to the column linked above. Which makes kingman, at best, one who distorted the truth. I prefer to call him what he is in this case - a liar.

Just keep digging the hole, oldhomey. I enjoy seeing you continue to backtrack, cut and paste, spin, distort, and lie...

kingman10

hey19 still a legend in his own mind, whatever is left of it. dodging and squirming about a column long ago hoping to vindicate himself of the constant lies. Is that is what you call big dogs. The bigger the dog the bigger the pile left behind, and you left a heaping mess that you can't clean up or put enough perfume on to cover the stink. Your attempted use of a metaphor using fire hydrants just doesn't cut it. Mine is much better, there I kicked your arse again!

oldhomey

Speaking of digging yourself into holes, Hey19, you might try your explanation of truth telling in this episode: "I never said the Aug. 20 Lowry column was the one in question; I said I supplied the link to the lowry column in question on Aug. 20, and that the actual lowry column in question ran about two months ago (from the date of kingman's lie). And, indeed, that link was provided, on Aug. 20, linking to the column linked above. Which makes kingman, at best, one who distorted the truth. I prefer to call him what he is in this case - a liar."

My, I am glad you cleared that up in your own mind, Hey19. It seems a bit confused and certainly not at all convincing to anybody else, however.

Hey19

re: liar10 - Sep 18, 2017 11:27am
liar10, where again have i lied? You failed to address that issue, as posed previously in this thread...

i realize you were finally rendered tongue-tied because i have, indeed, not lied regarding the lowry columns. you have fallen speechless because there are no lies from me for you to discuss...

now, if you want to talk about your lying regarding this situation, i can do so all day, despite having already proven that you have lied...

and there you have it, folks. kingman10, still on here lying...

pst? so, which do you prefer as your new moniker - liar10, or dodger10? Or would you like my fantastic new creative one - Princesa diez, our lovable the little Chihuahua?

Hey19

re: old dude Sep 18, 2017 2:37pm
it's understandable you are a bit confused; you have shown that all along here, oldhomey, in addition to being a liar...

but the explanation is crystal clear, as was summed up last night in the lowry immigration column in question. you know the one. the one you've been dodging and lying about for two months now.

since your memory and ability to tell the truth are faulty, here's the link, dude, for you and you little minion, kingman10...

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/rich-lowry-trump-is-winning-the-immigration-debate/article_532bd869-a9cf-583d-a323-08ee74baa9ee.html?mode=comments

oldhomey 2020*
punch drunk and panties free

oldhomey

Well much of what I have to say here, Hey19 will be taken up with your own words lifted from your “courageous” post at 10:11am. You can’t argue with your own words, can you?

You: My thruths and your lies are all there in black and white throughout these forums regarding this matter. As Casey Stengel once said, "You can look it up."

Me: I in fact did as Casey Stengel suggested, Hey19. I actually looked up what you said in the posts you directed me to look up, and I discovered your “truths” were astoundingly naked, neon-lit lies, laid out in black in white in words that you wrote and that I simply cut and pasted to expose your dishonesty.

You: If this all has validated your sense of self worth, old dude, I’ll . . . let you consider your behavior the last two months as a moral victory, dude. But the truth is and always has been on my side regarding your petty squabbles regarding the butt-whipping you experienced and have dodged, and the truth shall one day set you free from the pain and turmoil you have felt for two months now...

Me: I agree this exchange over your supposed kicking of my “arse” over a Lowry column of months ago is about as petty and silly a squabble as they come. I have been caught a few times on these posts making assertions I thought to be true that turned out not to be. When caught, I have had to eat crow, admit my mistake, apologize, retract my remarks and move on. It is not fun, but that is the end it. It is instructive, makes me I hope more careful afterward, and there is no shame to it, like the shame you have to feel now that your lies that you have so fiercely tried to defend for months have been exposed. When you first attacked me with this supposed butt whipping, however, you never said what it was over or when and after what column it occurred, so I asked you for specific information. You ducked it and lied about having posted the link to it so many times that it was obvious you were lying about this the whole time. You have never provided a link. Do it now. I am still open to seeing it. I know I never will see it, because it never existed. Moral victory? No. Exposure of your lack of morals? Yes. Definitely.

You: It's apparent that oldhomey will continue to dodge, distort and lie about my comments here regarding the Lowry column in question, so I'm taking high road - something he has yet to step foot on regarding this matter.

Me: You display the primitive impulses of a reptilian brain, reacting to most situations either in the “fight or flight” mode. You thought you could fight me on this, you failed, and you now declare yourself to be in full flight. Sort of like the snake in the grass. Thank you for so graciously giving me the last word on this. If this is to be the last word on it is up to you.

Buggs Raplin

Important Memo
From: Buggs Raplin
To: hey19
Re: POO aka oldhomey

Like you, I've NEVER lied on these boards. POO is just doing his astroturf thing. Accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty.

Buggs Raplin

After Jesse Ventura was elected governor in Minnesota, the CIA asked for a meeting. They wanted his opinion on how he won. There were 4-5 agents at the meeting. All had cover jobs in the Minneapolis area. One CIA agent actually worked in a bureau of state government. Folks, the CIA has agents throughout this country employed in cover jobs in business, academia, science, and especially the media. It's all part of a gigantic thought control operation. oldhomey aka POO is an obvious agent. He has cast innumerable attacks on my personality-you know..I'm need of meds, or I'm off my meds, or I'm a narcissist, a hater, a racist hiding in the weeds, or delusional not worthy of consideration. All this done behind a curtain of anonymity. He launches his attacks on me, Chip DeNure, aka Buggs Raplin, and then retreats behind the curtain like the Wizard of Oz. The Tribune often offers him respite with only 'report' following his comments. He employs astroturf techniques of distortion, exaggeration, half-truths, and outright lies, like any good CIA operative would in the thought control game. My advice to fellow bloggers: Don't argue with him. He's not worth it. It's akin to trying to reason with the devil. Focus instead on ridicule. And be creative. Critics of oldhomey aka POO, the Prince of Obfuscations, let's laugh at him instead of arguing with him. He does not deserve your arguments.

oldhomey

Typical Buggs. He has no answer, so he goes into an elaborate song and dance about the CIA and accuses me of being a CIA agent. Talk about conceit. The CIA is worried about Buggs Raplin. Right. And let's make this clear, too, Buggs. I have rightly called you a liar and proved it on numerous times. I have rightly said they you have run away to hide after you and your lies were exposed, an exercise I have chosen to call "hiding in the weeds". I have called you a narcissist, as you display all the attributes of a narcissist. But I have never accused you of being on medications or off them. I have never accused you of being a hater. I have never accused you of being a racist. Certainly, I HAVE called you delusional, and your 3:12pm post here is proof enough of that. Don't argue with me? You don't have to. But when you lie and pass along misinformation, I will be here to call you on it. Have a good laugh over it.

Buggs Raplin

Tell me again, POO, how the union soldiers marched off to free the slaves, or how the Branch Davidians set fire to themselves, or how Oswald killed JFK, or how Building 7's collapse was caused by fire. I could go on, but the fact is that there's nothing genuine about you. Nothing. You're an intelligence operative totally afraid to admit who you are in your ongoing battle to stamp out the truth. How DO you live with yourself?

oldhomey

Here Buggs is at it again, feeling safe, I expect, that as I answer him, he will be left with only a "report" option under my comment, so that he can pretend that he has no way of answering me. I have asked you Buggs, to assess what I have said about the lies that I caught Hey19, new2 and Melowese making. Tell me I have not nailed them. Tell me that I have somehow twisted things around so that it falsely looks like they're lying, when they're not. I don't see any of the three feeling strong enough right now to come to their own defense, because there is no defense. But you, not able to hide in the weeds in this instance, having no way to defend your indefensible stance, throw up your usual smokescreens of crying foul, old homey is a CIA agent, that is how he is able to best you, Hey19, new2 and Melowese. Then you throw out your old tripe about the Civil War, Branch Davidians, Oswald and JFK, all of which have been discredited for you dozens of time. Tell you again? I won't waste my time marshaling the facts again on these. This is what I mean, however, about you making false assertions, getting caught, then hiding in the weeds until the coast is clear, thinking you can trot back with the same old malarkey, stinking garbage that you try to retail as fresh flowers all over again. I live with myself quite well, and one of the things I most enjoy about my life right now is being able to blow your b.s. out of the water day by day. Thanks for the opportunity.

Hey19

it's real simple, old dude: buggs can't tell you that you that you have nailed me in any lies, because you haven't, and i haven't lied, old dude.

and he certainly doesn't have to say you have twisted things around so that it falsely looks like i am lying - your comments here, and all along, are proof enough of you doing as such.

but lie on and carry on, old dude. just don't let your delusions of grandeur get the best of you...

oldhomey

How is it that you can respond to my posts that have only a "Report" option under them, and your hero and champion, Buggs Raplin, cannot, Hey19? Talk about delusions of grandeur, Buggs keeps telling us that the La Crosse Tribune is in league with me and only puts "Report" options under my posts to keep him from knocking down and disproving the things that I say. As for you, I have carefully laid out your own words, quoted them verbatim through simple cut and paste of your commentaries, which show you to be lying. I don't know that it is out of mistaken ideas of grandeur, but certainly you are delusional thinking that your pained, crudely constructed explanations to contradict the record are proving anything but you being a liar trying to fast talk your way out of another one.

Hey19

re: oldhomey Sep 18, 2017 2:47pm
how is it i can respond to your posts, but buggs can't? because I don't suggest you are part of the cia; that would require intelligence and dealing with intelligence, which you do not have....

and you still be lying about the lowry columns. sad.

oldhomey

It's official. Hey19 now has nothing on the evil knight in the forest in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Just like that knight, he first lost one arm in the sword fight, then the other, then both legs, and as his opponent mounted up on his horse to leave the scene of the battle, the knight and Hey19, rolling helplessly around on the ground with stumps gushing blood in defeat, continued to yell boastfully, "Come back here! I'm not done with you! I'll get you yet!"

kingman10

like your dear leader Trump you are sinking deeper and deeper in to delusional conspiracies relying on info wars and right wing wackos to help make sense of your world. Unfortunately your world is a culmination of a mental state of decline, devoid of reality, lacking logic, absent of truth, and drowning in alcohol and narcissism. Your thought control lunacy is controlled by the alt media and you have swallowed it hook line and sinker! You have been caught lying, deceiving, and exaggerating on so many topics it is laughable. My advice to fellow bloggers: don't argue with mr. manure, he is not worth it. If its not broadcasted on info wars, or Drudge or Limbaugh, it is not reality to manure. You are akin to reasoning with the Lucifer, focus instead on facts and reality. That always trips up the manure man as he will always hide in the weeds when cornered.

oldhomey

I don't want to let Buggs off the hook with his lame excuse of only have a "Report" option under my posting, making it impossible -- so he lies -- to respond to it. So I will start this afresh, using his post from below as a starting point:

Buggs Raplin Sep 16, 2017 6:31am
POO is just astroturfing. If you haven't done it yet, google Sharyl Atkkisson's 11 minute video.

Now, Buggs, I don't exactly know what Astroturfing is, but let me point out something to you. In this string of comments right here, if you care or dare to scroll down, I confronted three liars: Hey19, new2 and Melowese. In confronting them, I reprinted their own words that they used in the act of lying. I then showed what they said was a lie, using their own words again. I used, as you like to say but never do, "evidence-based" reasoning to show that my declaration that these three individuals are liars. I did NOT use the technique you use to try to back up your own lies and false allegation, which is to simply lie again and urge the reader to go look at a lunatic conspiracy theory website that deals only in fantasies, not facts. If doing what I am doing, using truth and facts to expose falsehoods, like in these three examples that I have provided here, is "astroturfing" by Sheryl Atkkisson's reckoning, either she is lying herself, or, as I suspect, you have completely misunderstood what she is saying.

Buggs Raplin

For an understanding of POO, google Sharyl Attkisson's video on astroturfing. Ms. Attkisson won 5 Emmy Awards for investigative journalism, and an Edward R. Murrow award. She left CBS because it was no longer interested in investigative journalism. She's currently suing Obama for spying on her.

oldhomey

Another courageous post from Buggs, taking what I said head on and running in the other direction, because he hasn't got anything credible to say in his own defense. I have no idea who Ms. Attkisson is. It is always SO impressive, however, when you Poo Poo (or Pooh Pooh, as you would have it, though it is your excrement that you are releasing) the "lying mainstream media", but when somebody has all the laurels and accoutrements of the mainstream media, as you list her as having, it makes her an absolute genius and standard bearer and final arbiter of truth when she says something coo coo that you agree with. Let's see how well she does with her lawsuit, even with a stacked deck now running the Supreme Court. Let me call to attention one of your other attributes, Buggs. You are a coward, afraid to answer forthrightly when you have been confronted with your lies and faulty thinking, and this exchange proves it.

Buggs Raplin

I almost always reply to your lies when gtiven 'add reply', but the Tribune frequently gifts you with 'Report'. As you know, I ignore your commentaries then. If you've made a long commentary with only 'Report' I don't even read them.

kingman10

yea don't read them manure brain if homey's comments don't have the right button for you. You wouldn't understand them anyway. Your buffoonery is swallowed up every last bit of reason you may have once possessed. Go hide behind info wars where your world isn't so complicated for you, and you don't have to think for yourself.

oldhomey

So you must freeze up when I write a longish post about you, Buggs, knowing that I have called you out and that I will want you to answer for some dishonesty that you have tried to retail on these posts. Then, when you see there is only a "Report" option under it, you slink to your room to change your panties, thinking you have a perfect excuse not to confront what I have said about you. Good one. But when I am upset with you, you will notice that I try to make sure that you will have a "+ Add Reply" option. In those cases, it leaves you the option to remain hiding in the weeds or to reluctantly get back on here and ignore what I have said while you complain bitterly that I must be a CIA agent sent here to discredit you. Yeah. Right.

oldhomey

Since I made a reply to a Buggs comment earlier in this string that had only a "Report" option under it, the lame excuse Buggs relies on to hide in the weeds because he can't answer it, apparently, I will give him the opportunity here for him to make a reply.
Buggs:
Astroturf from the big POO. Label truth web sites as murky and lunatic. Try to portray Hillary as human when she has never thought of hardly anyone but herself. Congratulations for following the CIA playbook.

REPORT
oldhomey Sep 13, 2017 7:42pm
Gosh, perhaps I should issue a public apology, Buggs. Why don't you list these "truth web sites" that you rely on for your information.

Buggs Raplin

InfoWars, Drudge, Rense, and "What Really Happened"

oldhomey

So there you have them. Should anybody doubt my characterization of Buggs' sources as being lunatic conspiracy theory Internet sites, you only have to open up and read a few items in any of them to confirm my opinion of them.

Buggs Raplin

Truth telling is the new counter revolution

kingman10

you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you twice in the arse and spit in your face and kicked you in the behind manure man. Truth has left that empty space in your cranium long ago.

kingman10

info wars, druge, rense, and what really happened. Well just more proof how off course you are mr. manure. Not just off course but out of you mind. So there you have, an admitted nut case and proud of it.

new2Lax

It was everyone I knew that had their premiums skyrocket because of Obama care I was referring to, not myself. I do not know where you got the idea I was some how on Obama care but I guess only you know that. Like said, the program is an utter failure by any measure with the 200% increase in premiums and they would rise again near 25% next year. I could care less about where people choose to build but should they choose low lying areas, they should bare the responsibility for building there. Just to set the record straight, I did retire after 40 years with a very nice retirement package, I still consult for the company and spend part time in Florida. I am keenly aware who lives in Naples and Marco Island and along the Florida coast, Texas, not so much. I do not lie, I'm more like Mother Theresa, according to my friends.

oldhomey


I will tell you where I got that idea, new2. I got it from you. I guess it means, then, that you were lying last year when, on many occasions, you got on these posts and whined about how much you had suffered personally under Obamacare. Now you are telling us that you were never on it. I can't count the times you said you were on it and lost your doctor, contrary to Obama's promise, suffered huge cost increases and ad infinitum. I don't know that I could locate all the times you said this, but I Googled you and Obamacare and came up with a couple of these claims:

"new2Lax Nov 10, 2016 4:08pm Just wondering, what if it does happen. I see little difference when I didn't see my 2500 dollar savings in my health care premiums, I was told that's what would happen. I lost my health care plan and my doctor, to boot."

"new2Lax Jan 11, 2016 7:06pm Read it, for what. Does not change a thing, I still will not get my 2500 dollar savings and you can't keep your old plan or your Doctor. Those were the reasons given to support it. That didn't happen, end of story. Did I figure this out all by myself? Yes."

There you have it, in your own words, new2. Does that sound like you were referring to all those dear, dear friends of yours who had their premiums skyrocket, or does that sound like you were telling us that you, yourself, personally experienced these hardships?

Is this the new reality that we all have to live with since Trump has made it fashionable to lie and then just ignore the fact that he lied when he is caught in them?

You do not lie? You have just been called out on your lying with your own words. Your friends think of you as Mother Theresa? Is that because of your ethical standards or because you like to dress up like a nun? I am guessing it is the latter, given your proven record as a liar.

oldhomey

Hmm. A day gone by and not a word from new2 on this. I don't want to jump the gun, but I have to wonder if his silence here is an admission that he was caught lying and that he is now hiding in the weeds with Buggs, Hey19 and crank? And I wonder if he is in mufti in the weeds, wearing his Mother Theresa Little Sister of the Poor habit?

Buggs Raplin

Maybe Cassie invited him over to admire her solar-powered home. Where is that gal, anyway?

Buggs Raplin

Poor bitter Hillary as she fumes over her loss, which was everybody's fault but hers. I see Amazon is deleting all the "1" ratings of her fairy tale remembrances of 2016. So that makes it a critical 'hit' but just as dishonest as the creature herself. Maybe she should join her aide Cheryl Mills and sacrifice a chicken to Moloch.

oldhomey

Well, Buggs, every review that I have read about the book talks about how she puts the defeat squarely on her own shoulders. But I know you read book reviews in a rather strange, selective manner, so you might have missed this. Just as you attributed a book on the reasons foot soldiers fought the Civil War as saying it was for states' rights, not slavery, when the book said the very opposite thing. Do you remember that, Buggs? It was just a couple of weeks ago. I think you went into hiding in the weeds when your assertions were shown to be totally false and wrong.

Buggs Raplin

POO up to his usual distortions. But let me reiterate. Union soldiers marching off to free the slaves is nonsense.

oldhomey

Buggs, the impetus to start the Civil War was over the institution of slavery. That is what sent the feet of hundreds of thousands of men, some in blue, some in grey, marching on to the battlefields. That is a truth that you cannot deny. If you want to delve into the psychology of the individual soldier, perhaps the impetus that made them fight was not an intellectual abstraction like defense of slavery or abolition. In war, it never is. They fight to protect each other, their brothers-in-arms. That has been proven in studies of veterans since World War I. But the political and societal will that ultimately pushed them on to the battlefield was the question over slavery, should it exist or be abolished.

kingman10

yes brother in arms, they fight for each other. Wonder how mr. manure got out of the draft during the height of the vietnam war? Did he have heel spurs like his dear leader, or was it the failure to pass a competency mental exam. I suspect the latter.

Hey19

what branch of the service did you serve in, kingman?

oldhomey

Is that important for you to know, Hey19? Apparently it is not important to voters, but, given how dangerous the world is and our reliance of the protection we get from our military, perhaps it should be. Since Jimmy Carter, only one of our presidents served in the military, George H.W. Bush. Reagan didn't, Clinton didn't, Bush II didn't, Obama didn't, and now the absolute clown in the White House that we have today won't even sit still for a detailed military briefing, having told us he "knows more than the generals". Oddly, however, he seems to idolize generals when they are in his presence. I think he loves the idea of strict chain of command when he is not subjected to it, and he probably adores the spiffy uniforms with all the colorful ribbons and shiny medals generals get to sport in public. One wonders if he doesn't long for a "Commander-in-Chief" uniform that he would wear, with shiny buttons and medals. I, for one, would like to see the re-institution of the draft, as it democratizes the military.

Hey19

re: oldhomey Sep 18, 2017 3:01pm
i really don't care if kingman10 served or not. i was just curious, because i have asked him at least twice, about whether he has served, when he has called out others for not doing so. he never responded until today about it... seems a bit hypocritical to rip others for not serving, when he hasn't either. kingman could have volunteered, no?

and, for the record, to correct oldhomey's falsehoods above about military service by us presidents:

Reagan served our country in the army reserve and army air corps. i guess his rank of captain was just a formality, and for show?

W. had stateside service during VietNam as part of the Texas Air National Guard and US Air Force. I guess his rank of First Lieutenant means nothing.

W's father? United States Naval Reserve, a Lieutenant. I guess he got that rank as a participation trophy. no, wait. he couldn't have because, according to oldhomey, he never served in the military. Thus, his receiving a Distinguished Flying Cross honor for being shot down as a navy pilot in World War II (1942–1945) never happened. It's just a figment of his imagination?

way to go, oldhomey! Denigrating three presidents who have served and worn a uniform for our country.

*oldhomey's excuse will be that they didn't see active duty. I guess those in the military who never left this country never served then either, eh old dude? Such a disservice, old dude, to the men and women who have worn the uniform for our country for the right for the likes of him to make such belittling comments....

+/- 300 words for oldhomey to babble on with a response...

Hey19

oldhomey's last three posts tonight, using one of oldhomey's favorite tricks. yep, cutting and pasting -

directed at new2lax : "You lie a lot, though I will grant you that you are so addle-pated that some things you say aren't lies, they are just confused ramblings of a man who doesn't have a very firm grip on reality... THOSE are the facts, but you are too confused to remember which version of which lie you tried to use on here last, so I don't expect you to remember anything that resembles an actual fact. Are you set straight now?"

directed at snowcougar: "you are about as silly as you are a low life...nasty little pieces of work like yourself."

and directed at hey19: "the deceptive, lying p.o.s. that he is, and that is all that I am trying to do with these endless posts, expose liars like him. Our society is going off kilter because of the alt right lies and dishonesty that have gained currency in recent years, and we all have to fight back so that it and jerks like Hey19, crank, Buggs etal. don't win the day and destroy our country as they follow fools and charlatans like Donald Trump and the Koch boys."

having a bad day, old dude?

methinks somebody needs his diapers changed, then maybe a time out or a nap, and perhaps more fibre in his diet...

carry on, dude...

Buggs Raplin

oldhomey is the Prince of Obfuscation (POO) Feel free to use that acronym. It's not copyrighted.

oldhomey

Boo hoo, Buggs! I want it to be Poo Poo!

Buggs Raplin

POO, you're free to refer to yourself in any manner. It's in the Constitution.

oldhomey

I know I have the right to refer to myself in any manner, Buggs, just as I know that it is your Constitutional right to claim there was no airplane debris found at the Pentagon or on the ground in Shanksville after the hijacked airplanes crashed at those two locations on 9 - 11. And I also have the privilege, thanks to the Constitution, of calling you out on your lies and misinformation, providing the actual evidence as opposed to your lunatic meanderings, showing you what a low-life you are. This is what your parents worked toward to see that you got an education? What a legacy you leave in their memory.

Tim Russell

I'm sure you know all about old people needing a diaper changed. In fact I'm sure you are an expert in that subject.

Buggs Raplin

About the only thing you're sure on.

oldhomey

Tim, I am sorry this happened to you. You have been put down scurrilously and brutally by Buggs Raplin and his incredible, slashing rapier wit. I know it is a traumatic event for you, but, with bravery, perseverance and help from loved ones, you will be able to slowly recover from this and go on and still be able to live a fairly productive and normal life. I haven't quite been able to do it myself yet after repeated stompings by Buggs, but, DEAR GOD! I hope I can make it back!

oldhomey

Well, Hey19, it is noble of you to rush to the defense of your colleagues, new2, a proven liar, and snow, an incredibly transparent paid stooge for the Koch brothers. But since you want to attack me on my opinion of you, perhaps you will use this forum now to explain to me why you for weeks insisted that you provided me with a link to a Lowry column in which you thoroughly crushed my behind with your boot and sent me fleeing into the weeds to hide. Then, when I looked up the Lowry column in which you said you had provided the link, it turns out that you not only did NOT provide the link, you in your own words admitted that you had lied. So if you want to continue this silly game, I will continue to provide the proof of your lying. But you seem to be satisfied with carrying on. So be it. But perhaps you could on this occasion man up and explain yourself.

Hey19

oldhomey, the liar...

oldhomey

I know that this is a tiresome exchange for everybody but me, Hey19 and his bigger, tougher brother who always tries and fails to rush in and defend him, crank. But this squabble is the basis of showing how dishonest Hey19 is. He has claimed for months that he forced me into silence because he had kicked my "arse" in some Lowry column response months ago. I insisted that he cite the column in which this occurred for me, but he always ducked citing it, because there never was such a column. Lately, however, he has been insisting that he provided a link to that column in the comments section after another Lowry column published on Aug. 20 this year. So yesterday I finally went and looked at that column and its comment section. As I suspected, not only did Hey19 NOT provide a link, he never even made a comment after the column until two nights ago. I hate to inflict this on others, but these are all the comments after that column. It proves what I have been saying all along, Hey19 is a dishonorable, lying scum:

Hey19 Sep 12, 2017 9:13pm
try again, kingman10 and oldhomey...
but this is not the lowry column in which i kicked oldhomey's arse!

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Tim Russell
Tim Russell Aug 21, 2017 4:35pm
This is part of the deal on what Republicans would be willing to do to give their rich constituents a Tax break. They now own tRump no matter how much they now try to disown him. They are forever one and the same.

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oldhomey Aug 20, 2017 3:19pm
Another refreshing vote of confidence for our embattled president from one of the staunchest archconservative columnists around. Gosh, if you went back through the last few months and collected everything Mr. Lowry has had to say about our orangish, thin-skinned president, you't think Mr. Lowry didn't like him. I think Mr. Lowry looks upon Trump as an opportunity for his side to win everything it wants, by eventually jettisoning the most erratic, least qualified, demonstrably inept president ever so that Lowry et al can install Mike Pence, a man they love but who never could have won a presidential election.

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awol2009
awol2009 Aug 20, 2017 9:15am
Richie finally found (part) of his gonads and his critical thinking skills are finally developing. He is obviously a slow learner, but I'll give him a C-, overall.

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Clarification
Clarification Aug 20, 2017 8:45am
The man-baby has disgraced himself so much that even this clown knows when to jump ship.

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johnnybragatti Aug 20, 2017 8:38am
The vast majority of Lacrosse County has greater moral authority than Trump,
with-out even trying.
With the exception of a few : "whatabouters", always talkin" Caca, about: Byrd, Clinton ect., and thinking it is 1953.
Trump won"t replace us,
nor will the Whatabouters.

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kingman10 Aug 20, 2017 8:25am
Another stinging column on Trump from Lowry, That's two in a row now, He is letting him have it with both barrels, as well he should. I would disagree however with the take that Trump doesn't want his presidency to be considered alt. right. Too late for that. Twitter in chief has clearly defended the alt right. He is one of them. And I suspect manchild Trump will double down again on his comments when he feels the impulse. The alt right is ecstatic about Trump, they feel embolden and promise to hold more and bigger rallies. Don't be surprised if Trump shows up to be their featured speaker and leader when they start marching.

Hey19

you CAN'T read, dude. you are flat out DISTORTING what i have said, and LYING, to boot.

i NEVER said the lowry column was dated aug. 20; nor did i say that that aug. 20 lowry column had the link to the lowry column in question. I have repeatedly said, however, that aug. 20 was the date i posted the LINK to the lowry column in question. The lowry column in question is a DIFFERENT lowry column, from at least two months now - that being the one in which i kicked your arse...

you've been a whiner and have had your panties in a bundle for nearly another month now, dude, droning about me not providing a link to the column; i did. on aug. 20, 2017. and you missed it. boo hoo, dude. here's a hanky. blow your nose and man up, dude...

your minion, kingman10, is the one who erroneously said the aug. 20 column was the one i was referring to. nope, it wasn't, as was noted in that aug, 20 column (done so, indeed, on Sep 12, 2017, at 9:13pm ) that the idiot led you to.

let me REPEAT this so you get it through your THICK skull: the LINK to the lowry column in question was posted on Aug. 20, 2017, at 7:42 p.m. , to be precise. it WAS NOT the aug. 20 lowry column that is in question, dumba**. and the link was not included in the aug. 20 column. COMPRENDE??? obviously not

keep on calling me a liar, deceptive, p.o.s, dishonest and one on an endless charade... but those are the words that describe you concerning this matter, not me... (if anyone wants to see proof that what i just said about oldhomey is the truth, they can, INDEED, do so by checking all the threads about this matter, and by researching lowry's columns. they'll see that i am, in fact, correct, and am the one telling the truth.

continue on, old dude. but please, please stop exposing yourself for the fool you have made yourself out to be.

gore/oldhomey 2020*
*always dazed and confused
(+/- on his next untruthful screed concerning this matter is 425 words)

oldhomey

Good Lord, Hey19! Are you going to deny that you wrote the following after another column that is still up here on these boards by Mr. Malcom?:

Hey19 Sep 12, 2017 9:28pm
re: old dude Sep 12, 2017 3:24pm

ah, but you still avoid answering the oldest, most accurate accusation, one which you have run away and hidden from. let me reproduce my question from Sep 11, 2017 11:15pm: "oh, and speaking of taking responsibility for words - when are you going to man up and take responsibility for the words you used in the lowry column?"

you know the lowry column i am talking about. it's the one i linked to on aug. 20, the one you've been dodging for about two months now....

carry on, old dude...

I confess to a thick skull, but that slipped in pretty readily. Are you going to deny you wrote this? If you do, you are a liar. If you stand by what you say about it three hours ago, you are a liar. But we all know that, already. You are a liar. I don't think anybody else reading this junk is interested, but certainly I am confident if they do, as you suggest, research what you have been saying, it will all point to the fact that you are a liar.

oldhomey

And I should stress, Hey19, I was quite clear in my earlier statements here that I understood that you were telling me to find a link on the August 20 that would lead to the column that you have so long postulated that you used to kick my "arse". Of course no such column or exchange took place, and that is why you have never provided a link. You are a liar, but you are not as confused as new2, so I know you did not write the following out of confusion. So explain, please, how this gets you off the hook of never, ever supplying this supposed link to this supposed Lowry column:

"let me REPEAT this so you get it through your THICK skull: the LINK to the lowry column in question was posted on Aug. 20, 2017, at 7:42 p.m. , to be precise. it WAS NOT the aug. 20 lowry column that is in question, dumba**. and the link was not included in the aug. 20 column. COMPRENDE??? obviously not"

Yes, I agree, obviously not. That is why you are a liar.

Buggs Raplin

POO is just astroturfing. If you haven't done it yet, google Sharyl Atkkisson's 11 minute video.

Hey19

re: oldhomey: Sep 15, 2017 11:38pm AND Sep 15, 2017 11:45pm
oldhomey quotes me correctly: "you know the lowry column i am talking about. it's the one i linked to on aug. 20, the one you've been dodging for about two months now...."

you, old dude, are getting pretty good at that cutting and pasting. your reading skills are still lacking, though, or else you just like to lie...

where, old dude, does that comment - one i do not deny i posted - say that the link i provided about the lowry column in question (the one in which i kicked your arse, and the one you have been dodging and lying about ever since) was provided in a lowry column from aug. 20? blame your buddy kingman on that lie.

NO WHERE, DUDE! so quit lying about that, dude.

and quit lying about the missing link that i DID, indeed, PROVIDE on aug. 20, 2017 (at 7:42 p.m. to be precise) that will lead you to the lowry column you've been whining and lying about and dodging for two months now.


and how am i off the hook? because i am telling the truth; that link was provided on aug. 20, and the lowry column in question doe exist. those are fact. you could look it up.
your not agreeing with my statements does not make me a liar; it shows you are confused, can not understand what is/has been written, missed the link i provided, and are in so far over your head you have no defense for yourself but to resort to lying.

lying is something i have not done regarding this matter; cut and paste and misinterpret and distort all you want. but the facts and threads and comments prove you are the one who lying about all of this, not me...

and here, again, for you to ignore, is the handy dandy fact sheet that you have obviously not cut and pasted near your computer, so you can finally tell the truth and stop lying about this:

let me REPEAT this so you get it through your THICK skull: the LINK to the lowry column in question was posted on Aug. 20, 2017, at 7:42 p.m. , to be precise. it WAS NOT the aug. 20 lowry column that is in question, dumba**. and the link was not included in the aug. 20 column."

oldhomey

Gosh, it is been a day now since I posted the August 20 Lowry column that for weeks Hey19 urgently asked me to take a look at to settle Hey19's silly argument that he once pounded my posterior to a pulp in a comment section following an earlier Lowry column. Having found the August 20 Lowry column and the comments under it, it turns out, just as I expected, Hey19 lied about the whole thing. I don't want Hey19 have to suffer the slings and arrows of my discontent with him without giving him the opportunity to respond. So on the theory that he may have missed this new development, which was published here in the comments below 24 hours ago, I will republish this for him. It starts, however, with a September 12 accusation that Hey19 made against me, followed with the comments under the August 20 Lowry column. Interestingly, Hey19 didn't respond to that August 20 column until two days ago. So this is proof positive of his dishonesty.

Hey19 Sep 12, 2017 9:28pm
re: old dude Sep 12, 2017 3:24pm

ah, but you still avoid answering the oldest, most accurate accusation, one which you have run away and hidden from. let me reproduce my question from Sep 11, 2017 11:15pm: "oh, and speaking of taking responsibility for words - when are you going to man up and take responsibility for the words you used in the lowry column?"

you know the lowry column i am talking about. it's the one i linked to on aug. 20, the one you've been dodging for about two months now....

carry on, old dude...

COMMENTS UNDER THE AUGUST 20 LOWRY COLUMN:
Hey19 Sep 12, 2017 9:13pm
try again, kingman10 and oldhomey...
but this is not the lowry column in which i kicked oldhomey's arse!

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Tim Russell
Tim Russell Aug 21, 2017 4:35pm
This is part of the deal on what Republicans would be willing to do to give their rich constituents a Tax break. They now own tRump no matter how much they now try to disown him. They are forever one and the same.

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oldhomey Aug 20, 2017 3:19pm
Another refreshing vote of confidence for our embattled president from one of the staunchest archconservative columnists around. Gosh, if you went back through the last few months and collected everything Mr. Lowry has had to say about our orangish, thin-skinned president, you't think Mr. Lowry didn't like him. I think Mr. Lowry looks upon Trump as an opportunity for his side to win everything it wants, by eventually jettisoning the most erratic, least qualified, demonstrably inept president ever so that Lowry et al can install Mike Pence, a man they love but who never could have won a presidential election.

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awol2009
awol2009 Aug 20, 2017 9:15am
Richie finally found (part) of his gonads and his critical thinking skills are finally developing. He is obviously a slow learner, but I'll give him a C-, overall.

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Clarification
Clarification Aug 20, 2017 8:45am
The man-baby has disgraced himself so much that even this clown knows when to jump ship.

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johnnybragatti Aug 20, 2017 8:38am
The vast majority of Lacrosse County has greater moral authority than Trump,
with-out even trying.
With the exception of a few : "whatabouters", always talkin" Caca, about: Byrd, Clinton ect., and thinking it is 1953.
Trump won"t replace us,
nor will the Whatabouters.

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kingman10 Aug 20, 2017 8:25am
Another stinging column on Trump from Lowry, That's two in a row now, He is letting him have it with both barrels, as well he should. I would disagree however with the take that Trump doesn't want his presidency to be considered alt. right. Too late for that. Twitter in chief has clearly defended the alt right. He is one of them. And I suspect manchild Trump will double down again on his comments when he feels the impulse. The alt right is ecstatic about Trump, they feel embolden and promise to hold more and bigger rallies. Don't be surprised if Trump shows up to be their featured speaker and leader when they start marching.

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Hey19

re: old liar: Sep 15, 2017 8:46pm
The only explanation, and the truth regarding this matter, was provided tonight in my comments on Sep 15, 2017 8:21pm, up above.

you want to keep lying about this, and keep on dodging the original lowry column in question, go right ahead. i'll just keep pointing out your blatant lies, distortions and hiding in the weeds, for as long as you want to keep spreading them...

lie on, old dude...

(pst 1... since you're getting so good at cutting and pasting, and backtracking on my posts, go ahead and cut-and-paste the statement where i said the link to the lowry column in question was provided in an aug. 20 lowry column... good luck in doing so, though, because no such comment was ever made by me in these forums/thread...)
(pst 2... you might want to cut and paste for handy reference my response above at Sep 15, 2017 8:21pm... those are the facts you are ignoring and distorting but should have at your fingertips so you don't keep lying about things...)

oldhomey

Answer to (pst 1...) in your own words again:

"ah, but you still avoid answering the oldest, most accurate accusation, one which you have run away and hidden from. let me reproduce my question from Sep 11, 2017 11:15pm: "oh, and speaking of taking responsibility for words - when are you going to man up and take responsibility for the words you used in the lowry column?"

"you know the lowry column i am talking about. it's the one i linked to on aug. 20, the one you've been dodging for about two months now...."

As for (pst 2...) I don't have the slightest idea what it is that you are suggesting or want, so it is impossible for me to help you out here. You're beyond help on this whole thing, anyway. You have been caught lying, You can't wiggle out, it is all there in your own words for God and Country to see. Hey19. Liar.

Hey19

re: old liar, Sep 16, 2017 9:50pm

it's not hard to understand that you can't read and comprehend anything that people writer here... you have shown as such here with flying colors dude...

regarding pst. 1: where again in your response which quoted me did i say the link to the lowry column in question was provided in an aug. 20 lowry column?

regarding pst. 2: i will spell it out for you again. repetition for you, lizard brain. here's all you need to cut and paste for your refrigerator, so you get the facts and truth of the matter correct, and can finally stop lying about this whole situation, which has had your wet panties in a bundle for two months now...

CUT THIS OUT, old liar:
let me REPEAT this so you get it through your THICK skull: the LINK to the lowry column in question was posted on Aug. 20, 2017, at 7:42 p.m. , to be precise. it WAS NOT the aug. 20 lowry column that is in question, dumba**. and the link was not included in the aug. 20 column."

kingman10

my 6;41 post on how buggsy avoided the draft is an honest question. How did he avoid the draft. For me, when I turned 18 there was no draft, it was completely abolished, all volunteer. Its not about what branch of service, just how did he get out of the draft. I am assuming mental incompetency, but lets see what he has to say.

new2Lax

Homey, where did you ever come up with me being dumped and without Medical Insurance. Let me set you straight, I retired after my 40 years and with the best possible retirement package imaginable and I do reside in Florida during the winter months. Are we clear on that. What I said is a fact. The folks living in these right wing palaces are as I said mostly socialites, sports figures and many Hollywood elites, from Marco Island, Naples up to Sarasota. Those are the facts, please remember them.

oldhomey

Let me remind you, new2, that you complained bitterly on these posts toward the end of the Obama administration that your insurance premiums were increasing at a terrible rate. That means one of two things: Either you were not yet on Medicare and had to pay for your own insurance coverage through Obamacare, or you were lying about the hardships that Obamacare was causing you. I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and accept that you got a tremendous benefit package at your retirement, so that means you are simply lying about having suffered at the hands of Obamacare. You lie a lot, though I will grant you that you are so addle-pated that some things you say aren't lies, they are just confused ramblings of a man who doesn't have a very firm grip on reality. Are you seriously proposing that Florida and Texas are overrun with and politically dominated by "socialites, sports figures and many Hollywood elites"? Why do they consistently vote conservative and Republican? And are they the folks who are really hurt the worst by the growing number and the growing intensity of hurricanes in the Atlantic? How about all the people who moved into flimsy prefab homes on swampland drained by dishonest and shady property developers who had free rein because Republican politicians in Florida and Texas make sure there are no real zoning laws or realistic building codes? Those are the people who have lost everything. I don't really have to worry about people living in mansions on Sarasota Bay. They can lose a $2 million mansion and its contents and be living in luxury next week someplace else. But I DO give a fig about people in flimsy houses on swamps in hurricane alley, both because they are going to end up being welfare cases and we, the taxpayers, are going to end up paying through the nose while conservative political lords in Florida and Texas twist arms until they get billions in federal bailouts to rebuild the same slums on the same lowlands to await the next devastating storm. THOSE are the facts, but you are too confused to remember which version of which lie you tried to use on here last, so I don't expect you to remember anything that resembles an actual fact. Are you set straight now?

oldhomey

Snow, you are about as silly as you are a low life, so that makes you sillier than songs like Purple People Eater or I Told the Witchdoctor. But at least they were slightly funny, and you're simply rancid, being the paid lowlife that you are. You cite totally bogus claims about Hillary's "seizures" that even on video are obviously not seizures. She campaigned to exhaustion and nearly passed out leaving one event, and you make it into a monumental incident proving she had perhaps three months to live. Her crazy eyes? These three videos are what you have on Hillary, videos that prove nothing and need your editorial explanation even to pretend that there is a point to them. But you will ignore hundreds upon hundreds of videos seen by most of the world of Donald Trump outright lying, or being a 24-carat jerk, or saying racist things, or (draft dodger that he is) dishonoring true military heroes, or parading abysmal ignorance of history and his responsibility as commander in chief and c.e.o. of a nation, or bragging about sexually assaulting women? Do you want me to cite these actual, undeniable, true as rain videos with (click here) links conveniently provided for your perusal? I don't think I have to, because you have seen them already, and you know where to go to look for them. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, indeed. By whom? Not by the likes of Donald Trump or nasty little pieces of work like yourself.

new2Lax

Homey, how you know the number of and the political leanings of folks living along the Florida coastline amazes me. If you care to tour the coast you will find these areas occupied by many Hollywood elites, TV personalities and many sports figures, as well as many left wing political figures and all or the vast majority left leaning. Where do you come up with this information. Remember I live in Florida.

oldhomey

Well, now, isn't THAT interesting! new2, who claims he was a top HR man for a Fortune 300 company but was dumped by said company after nearly 40 years without an insurance bridge to the time he could go on Medicare. Now, after throwing many snit fit about local coulee region politics, tells us that he doesn't live there but in Florida. With his vast expertise in understanding demographics, he seems to be assuring us here that the millions of people smacked down and swamped in the recent hurricanes -- populating those endless low-lying neighborhoods of ticky tacky houses that we've been watching on television in the aftermath, blown apart or floating away, are populated by "Hollywood elites, TV personalities and many sports figures, as well as many left wing political figures and all or the vast majority left leaning." I guess they had it coming, huh? If only I had lived in Florida, I would have realized that. Score another one for new2.

kingman10

Unfortunately Trump lovers can only remember sound bites and fake news from social media during the election campaign. Because Trump said "crooked Hillary" they believe it, didn't matter what the reason, true or not. Benghazi was investigated more than the 911 attacks by the repubs, trying desperately to find some dirt on her, but they failed in that attempt. Doesn't matter though, they dragged her name across the news channels so long they didn't need to find any proof of wrong doing, just guilt by association. And mr. manure and others likes to blame her for the debacle in Iraq when in fact it was a previouos administration that conjured up the lies that led up to that war. She was not the most talented campaigner, or the warmest personality ever to run for the office, but her experience and God given intelligence more than made up for it. But as we move on to another administration plagued with problems and poor leadership so has the democrats. Future leaders in the party will emerge, a more progressive message and platform will take shape and the country will eventually be better off for it.

Snow Cougar Mary Burke

You are wrong.

Young Americans are realizing the "progressive message" has been a historically false fairy-tale and are waking up to this fact. They are no longer buying the liberal lies you are selling. 'Generation Z' is the most conservative in generations.

America's future looks glorious!

CLICK HERE: Liberals - People are sick of you!

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kingman10

oh how I love snow jobs emoticons! So classy and intelligent. When the conservative agenda falls flat on its face leaving millions without jobs and facing foreclosure again, just like it did nine years ago. Then generation xyz will wake up and see the true lies propagated by the Kochs and you. All we liberals have to do is bide our time, history is on our side.

Climatehoax

If you don't like the Kochs why do u support them? Every dollar in our country comes from a successful business. You are a fool.

kingman10

wow how do I recover from such a whipping from hoaxer. He knows that I support Koch brothers, don't ask me how he knows, he just does. And where does every dollar come from in this country, hmmmm. Well I thought it was from the treasury and the mint where money is made but by golly hoaxer says business creates dollars. I didn't now that either. I guess I learned a couple of new things today. (sarcasm)

Climatehoax

One simple statement by Hillary sums up her disconnect with the people. She actually believes that calling Trump supporters deplorables didn't offend anyone. Hillary, it offended everyone who voted for Trump. So you lost.

hrpufnstuf

And only the brain dead or KGB operative would defend Trump.

oldhomey

I guess my automatic spell check function, which ALWAYS changes Buggs to Biggs for some reason (I hope that doesn't somehow lift Buggs' ego even higher) it wants to change Republic to Republican, but my first sentence should read "in the aftermath of electing the worst, least prepared, least interested, most incompetent and dishonest president in the history of the Republic . . . "

Hey19

no biggie... i didn't catch it the first time through; i fell asleep when i saw you'd cut and pasted again...

oldhomey

Touche, Hey19. I will credit you here with actually coming up with an original and funny comeback. I have never seen you do it before. Let's see more of this side of you.

oldhomey

My, even in the aftermath of electing the worst, least prepared, least interested, most incompetent and dishonest president in the history of the Republican, his supporters hang on to the fiction of how "evil" Hillary is. She was certainly not the most likable candidate in the history of presidential politics, but she came to the contest with more experience and ideas than most any other previous candidate. How much better we would be as a nation now if she had won. But all that is history. People who liked her have every right to be interested in her thoughts about the election. For all the rest of us, this pretend "angst" over her book is just space filler for columnists like this. She is the past, so it is no big deal. As Democrats, let her have her say and move on. It isn't any more complicated than that.

Buggs Raplin

Only the brain-dead or a CIA operative would try to defend Hillary. "Pretend' angst? Like I said, POO, Hillary is despised and hated for good reason. That she won't go away, and that the mainstream media facilitates her in that endeavor, means she'll continue in her quest for power. Here you have a woman guilty of insider trading in cattle futures, who made shambles of her health care initiative, who, with Bill, presided over sanctions that killed 500,000 children in Iraq, who lies and lie and lies from everything from her coming under fire in Bosnia to the families of those killed in Benghazi. Only a fool would buy her book. but I'm sure the CIA will buy it in droves to make it Number One on the charts. The CIA loves her. Hardly anyone else does. The lesson here is that we have an absolutely despicable human being with a lust for power who refuses to go away, despite revulsion across the political spectrum. Hillary in 2020? She's not ruling it out.

oldhomey

Gosh, Buggs, your arguments against Hillary would be SO compelling, but, alas, as we know about all your arguments, they are products of your murky, lunatic conspiracy websites that are so full of horse feathers that they make the Mobil Oil horse look like an actual species. Hillary has plenty of warts and imperfections, like all of us, but your manic hatred for her is over the top. The lesson here is that because of people who think like you, we have an absolutely despicable human being with a lust for the limelight while being completely obtuse about power and its uses as our president, contaminating up our nation, our future and our world worse with each passing day. Congratulations. You have helped make us into a nation of chumps.

Buggs Raplin

Astroturf from the big POO. Label truth web sites as murky and lunatic. Try to portray Hillary as human when she has never thought of hardly anyone but herself. Congratulations for following the CIA playbook.

oldhomey

Gosh, perhaps I should issue a public apology, Buggs. Why don't you list these "truth web sites" that you rely on for your information.

random annoying bozo

the dems should embrace crooked Hillary, she is the embodiment of the democrat party....they should rig the primary again so she gets the nomination in 2020, and have her as their candidate....the third time is the charm, right?

TenRing

Oh, much to my and many others' delight she's not going away anytime soon. Take a look at this excerpt from the transcript of the NPR interview she did yesterday. Just before her response to the question, just imagine a several seconds long witch cackle, which is exactly what you'll hear in the actual sound bite:

NPR's Rachel Martin: Although you say you still want a role in shaping the
Democratic Party of the future, you're still going to talk about the issues
you find to be important, but there are some Democrats out there saying they
don't want you to do that. That writing this book is opening old wounds,
re-litigating a past and it doesn't help move the party forward. Have you
reconciled that, that people might not want you around as the party steps
forward?

Hillary: Well, they don't have to buy my book, and they can turn off the
radio when they hear me talking. I'm not going anywhere. I have the
experience, I have the insight, I have the scars that I think give me not
only the right, but the responsibility to speak out. And 2018 is going to be
incredibly momentous...
http://www.npr.org/2017/09/12/549430064/transcript-hillary-clinton-s-full-in
terview-with-npr-s-rachel-martin

Before too long the Dems will be HOPING Hillary is indicted and goes to jail, just to shut her up. Personally, I'd like to see her come out with a walker and oxygen tanks for the next 20+ years just to help out her party.


Buggs Raplin

Bernie comes to Onalaska and 3,300 people show up. Hillary comes to La Crosse and maybe 400 people show up. The Tribune had many letters to the editor for Bernie, and by my recollection only one for Hillary, written by Senator Shilling. When I collected signatures in La Crosse to get on the ballot, I saw many Bernie yard signs. I did not see one for Hillary. Not one as I made the rounds in this fair city. There is palpable disdain and hatred for this woman, propped up by the mainstream media, who cheated Bernie out of the nomination. Even today the mainstream media is still in her corner posting innumerable flattering pictures on MSN. And that says everything about the mainstream media as propaganda for the elite, the only group that really wanted her for president.-Chip
DeNure aka Buggs Raplin

Melowese Richardson

First Hil-liar-y sabotaged Bernie's campaign.

But Bernie still supported her!

Then Hil-liar-y blamed Bernie
for losing!!

You can't make this stuff up!!!

===============

What Happened

Hil-liar-y Clinton

The first book in the history of the world to have
both the question, and the answer, on the cover.

=================

For the love of God will this
"person" please, please just fade
away into the ash heap of history.
Oh, by the way, take your husband with you.

Buggs Raplin

Love your new avatar

awol2009

I wouldn't pay one red cent for Hillary's book or waste my valuable time to read it. Hillary needs to retire from politics and the DNC should reorganize, or disband. We're tired of you, Hillary. The DNC screwed themselves by denying Bernie the nomination, so much cheating in the caucus states during primary season.

TenRing

Every day this vile, delusional woman opens her yap she makes me all the more glad we have Trump as POTUS. I hope she keeps it up, she's just what the Democrats need!

Check out her latest craziness from just the other day:

https://news.grabien.com/story-two-minutes-clinton-blames-comey-russia-wikileaks-facebook-v


Tim Russell

Lol! Vile and delusional are the adjectives that most people who have any sort of intelligence use to describe tRump.

Buggs Raplin

You talking about the brainwashed libs and 'progressives'? The bewildered herd being led around by their noses by the fake news mainstream media and compromised global warming 'scientists.' If you are, that fits the delusional aspect.

Buggs Raplin

I'm having one of those bizarre moments where I totally agree with the Democrats who wish Hillary would just go away. She won't though. You see all Hillary cares about is herself.

star_navig8r

Bugs, I agree with you. I don't need to buy or read more books by politicians blaming others for their failed campaigns! These "literary" works are for their fans and the sheep that follow them. Neither Democrats nor Republican parties are currently relevant to adequately serve their voters. But then, half of the voters don't care. Decay and collapse continue.

Buggs Raplin

You nailed it. One of these days everything is just going to collapse. We've got a $20 trillion dollar debt; a student loan debt of over one trillion dollars with no solution; we've got a health care crisis, where the obvious solution is ignored, and we're spending $4 million dollars an hour in Afghanistan. But to many Democrats and liberals our biggest problems are racism, Confederate statues, and transgender bathrooms.

oldhomey

Ahem. Buggs, I humbly submit racism, Confederate statues and transgender bathrooms were not problems until ultra-rightists decided to champion each of those issues.

oldhomey

And speaking of spending unwisely, how much longer are we going to bail out low-lying southern coastal cities from repeated flooding and lashings by hurricanes? These are places dominated politically by ultra-rightwing conservatives who claim they are all for small government and abolition of government regulation of things like building codes. So we have quick-buck artists for decades building the cheapest, tackiest possible housing on drained swamps around Houston and Miami because there are no code standards to be met. They walk away rich, and we are left with millions of chumps living in the bullseye of every bad storm that comes its way. The Chicago Tribune the other day cited a case of a guy in Texas who lives in a $120,000 house that has had to be rebuilt at a cost of $800,000 in federally subsidized flood insurance over the last 24 years. I am sure he is all for small government until he needs help, then, by God and Country, it is time for the rest of us to step up and bail him out, gratis. And by the way, let's put kibosh on any more climate study by government agencies. Trump has done a good job on this, directing climate change be eliminated from the language of all government-supported meteorological literature and research, not to mention defunding of any scientific endeavors on this hoax and junk science that so laughably has been predicting a future of more and more violent hurricanes like the three that have battered our southern shores in the last two weeks. What garbage, eh, Buggs? Who says an ounce of prevention is worth anything?

kingman10

you got it homey. Remember Ted Cruz who refused to vote for aid to New Orleans when that big hurricane hit. Now that Texas needs help after a hurricane he is as quiet as a mouse. And all those who wanted to secede from the union a few years back in Texas, don't hear a peep from them any more. To all those hard core right wing repubs and libertarians in Florida and Texas, I hope you paid ten dollars for a gallon of gas and at least that much for drinking water, and hundred dollars for a sheet of plywood. Unfortunately the attorney generals in those states wouldn't allow price gouging. It should of been the free market and hurricanes that determined prices, not those socialist AG's. As far as what repubs focus on: corporate welfare, voter suppression, lax gun laws, legal racism, big tax breaks for the wealthy are at the top of their agenda.

Melowese Richardson

Kingman: "Remember Ted Cruz who refused to vote for aid to New Orleans when that big hurricane hit."
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Ted Cruz wasn't even a Senator when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, but hey, if it makes you feel better to make things up, whatever. Facts, facts, facts.

Buggs Raplin

kingman gets his facts from Cassie. 'Nuff said.

oldhomey

Why you big cry baby, Melo! Indeed, Ted Cruz was a U.S. Senator in January of 2013, when the federal emergency aid bill came up in Congress to assist victims of Hurricane Sandy. And, indeed, Sen. Cruz voted very loudly and self-righteously against passage of the bill. Now go back to your crib and cry some more. You didn't do your homework, child.

kingman10

go back hiding in the weeds melowese and mr manure, you two make a great couple. Homey got to responding quicker than I had a chance to set the record straight. check your facts! eat your own words! thanks homey! if the fish weren't biting so well I would spend more time responding to these idiots, but duty calls for me to catch the big ones, not these little nut jobs blogging lies and falsehoods.

crank

In a nutshell... [thumbup]

oldhomey

Well, thank you, crank, I am glad you see it the same way that kingman and I do. I admire, too, your brevity and you brilliant use of iconography.

Buggs Raplin

Way to go Tribune. You had an 'add reply' to POO's comment. Is it too much to ask that all his comments have an 'add reply'?

kingman10

the cia finally gave the ok to the tribune for an "add reply" button to oldhomey's comments. No more hiding in the weeds because of the lack of that button!

oldhomey

I would thank you kingman, for sticking up for me in the midst of this withering attack on me by Buggs Raplin, but unfortunately there is only a "Report" option under your 12:22pm comment, so Buggs and I have NO way of responding to it. What a shame! I guess I will go into the weeds and commiserate for awhile with Buggs over this terrible dilemma.

Tim Russell

Buggs comment has to be the dumbest post I have ever seen.

oldhomey

Says the man who posts something here with only a "Report" option under it. I guess it is only deep state CIA agents like myself who have the technological support system behind me to allow me to respond to you on this, despite it having only a "Report" option, huh, Buggs?

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