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WASHINGTON — When President Obama conceived of the Affordable Care Act, he did everything he could to bring Republicans to his side.

He created a system that was market-friendly and drew on ideas that members of the GOP had endorsed in the past.

His conciliatory efforts bought him nothing except a long delay in getting a bill through the Senate, a lag that nearly killed the entire enterprise.

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You might think that Republicans would move on and accept Obamacare.

After all, they failed to repeal it in President Trump’s first year in office and then lost the House of Representatives in an election in which voters named health care the No. 1 issue — putting aside, of course, the importance of Trump himself. Those who listed health care backed Democrats overwhelmingly.

But, no, the notion that the evil federal government might succeed in helping Americans with modest incomes get health insurance is, in the eyes of the right, a calamity.

If this plan continues to deliver, folks might begin to get the idea that the GOP’s anti-government propaganda campaign is nothing but a cover for policies that cut taxes on the rich and do as little as possible for Americans who lack money and influence.

So, having lost in a democratically elected branch of government and having been beaten in a democratic election, Republicans concluded: The heck with democracy! Let’s get some conservative judges to override Congress, ignore the popular will, and get rid of this thing through the back door.

First, in a ruling legal scholars generally saw as wacky, Reed O’Connor, a right-wing district court judge, astonished the country last December by throwing out the Affordable Care Act altogether. (Fortunately, the decision was stayed pending further litigation.)

O’Connor’s reasoning was that Congress undercut the constitutionality of the law by eliminating a tax penalty on those who failed to buy health insurance.

Chief Justice John Roberts hung his 2012 opinion validating the constitutionality of the ACA on Congress’ power to tax, so O’Connor’s pretext was that once the tax went, the whole structure collapsed.

Pause and marvel at the gall of conservative jurisprudence. Conservatives say they are strict constructionists and believe in reading statutes closely. But Congress didn’t ditch the ACA — it had affirmatively decided not to.

It merely undid a small piece of the law. Too bad, said O’Connor. What Congress did or didn’t do makes no difference. And if abruptly throwing some 20 million people off their health plans isn’t the “judicial activism” conservatives regularly bemoan, what is?

The ACA’s penalty was aimed at enforcing a mandate that everyone buy health insurance, which, by the way, was originally a GOP idea.

One of the most popular provisions of the ACA prohibits price discrimination against those with preexisting conditions. But to achieve this goal, the law imposes the mandate to spread the cost of coverage as widely as possible.

The requirement’s purpose was to make sure that health insurance markets would not be destabilized if mostly the sick bought into the system.

On Tuesday, a three-judge federal panel heard the appeal of O’Connor’s decision and, once again, partisanship ruled on the bench.

The two Republican appointees, Jennifer Walker Elrod and Kurt Engelhardt, expressed skepticism about the obvious: that if Congress had wanted to repeal the law, it would have. Engelhardt, a Trump appointee, disingenuously said that Congress could easily fix it. “They could do this tomorrow,” he said.

Right. Years of struggle to reform health care go down the drain. But, says Engelhardt, no problem. You can order up a new health-care law the way you get a hamburger at a fast-food joint. The arrogance of conservative judges knows no bounds.

The third judge on the panel, Carolyn Dineen King, a Democratic appointee, was silent during the 90-minute hearing. But if the two GOP judges act on the views they expressed, it’s hard to see the ACA emerging whole from the circuit court. And we have reason to shudder over what the Supreme Court might say.

For now, Democrats should shelve their arguments about “Medicare for All,” defend Obamacare, and cry from the heavens over the conservatives’ eagerness to rip health insurance from people who need it.

But if the ACA does fall, Republicans will have sent a message: No matter how much Democrats compromise, the GOP will wreck their work. By fighting the most middle-of-the-road ways of getting people coverage, Republicans could thus pave the way to the “socialized medicine” they claim to hate.

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Jobaba

I have never understood why the republicans want people uninsured. I am aware that people in this country of every political persuasion constantly moan about how poor their healthcare is and the high cost of premiums. Are they so scared of losing the crumbs they have that they would deny crumbs for others? I also know that because of Barrycare millions of Americans could finally have medical care for their children. I also know that for a couple years premium cost leveled off from its rocket like trajectory...because of Barrycare. Since the clueless republicans have begun to dismantle Barrycare, the cost of healthcare in America is once agin reaching for the stars. And what do the republicans, Trump in particular, have to offer us? A few vague promises before every election that we all know is nose moisture and nothing more. The world is passing us by on this issue. Trump supporters are glad because they do not know any better. Trump also promised to end our wars. Another empty promise. So we spend our treasure on war and not on ourselves.

DMoney

Let me boil this topic down into the very simplest and truthful terms. I can't make you agree or change your mind, but I can educate you on the other perspective: many, many people (millions, probably not majority but a considerable amount of the population) want to keep exactly what they have for coverage and cost. We don't want anyone or anything to interfere. We don't want to give up our plan and pay more through taxes so that other people can have the same coverage. You may call that selfish and greedy. That's fine. We call it freedom and independence. In this country, if you have something and are happy with it, and it breaks no laws you ought to be able to keep and enjoy it. Again, no attempt there to change your views. Simply to help you understand and accept an alternative view.

martian2

well dmoney, you may want things to stay exactly the same but they never do. Even if the government completely stepped out of the healthcare, you would then be at the mercy of insurance companies. You have no say so in keeping the same costs for the coverage, only insurance companies do. This country tried that for decades and the costs went through the roof with less and less people being covered. You seem to think the concept of freedom and independence is about getting yours and letting your fellow citizens get theirs, and if they can't too bad let them bleed. That is not what this country was founded on. People throughout this country's history helped one another when times called for it. People united against a common enemy, and always pitched in when their neighbor needed help. If they didn't this country would not have survived this long. Your comment on what freedom and independence is is self serving and beyond selfish. No society can survive and thrive very long with that concept. That attitude is what brings about injustice, concentration camps, murderous dictators, and corruption not only of the soul, but of an entire nation. turning a blind eye to your neighbor in need is abhorrent, and against all that Jesus taught and commanded.

DMoney

I didn't say the government has no role to play. Regulation is a far cry from government run universal healthcare. Yes, people have worked together in this country and continue to do so. Yes, it's a great thing and helps us remain the greatest country on Earth. Where you are blind (we've been over this before) is that people helping each other and partnering to tackle issues is a completely different concept than the federal government mandating it. You can't coerce good will. You can't force popularity.

martian2

well I never understood the never ending hate of our government by the right such as you D. Men and women have sacrificed their lives to preserve our way of government. And you constantly say its an evil that shouldn't be part of the solution. The argument you made about what freedom and liberty was absurd. Namely its the freedom to ignore our fellow citizens needs. That attitude I know comes from hate radio, Rush pushes that all the time. Extreme individualism will bring down any society in chaos and anarchy. History has shown that over and over. Sacrificing for the good of the country, to provide a basic human right such as adequate healthcare, is not evil or wrong. It is only in your head. I guess the rest of the world with their universal healthcare coverage got it all wrong. They all must be dummies that don't care about liberty and freedom. Their citizens are being taken for a ride. that's why you see all these movements to go to our system of private insurance health system. OH wait, not a one wants to adopt our system. Go figure!

oldhomey

Well, then, D, perhaps you and I are on the same page with healthcare. This insane attack by Trump and the GOP to rescind the Affordable Care Act has to stop. Without interrupting private healthcare plans already in place, however, the government should work assiduously to expand and improve ACA, including a provision that those who choose to go uninsured will have to pay a tax for their non-coverage that will be used to fund the healthcare expenses of those who are on ACA plans. It will make the ACA more viable without payroll tax input, and it will, in the end, encourage everybody to get into some healthcare plan, making us a healthier, more secure nation for families and individuals. Nobody wins everything they want, but everybody gets essentially what they want. That is called compromise. That is how democracy works, just to help you understand and accept what should be the operative view of how we should live together with less political rancor.

DMoney

Democracy works by coercing it's citizens into participation in commerce? Forcing private citizens "to enroll, or else"......that's your view on democracy?

oldhomey

We tax people all the time for taking risks that will end up forcing everybody to pay for their bad outcomes, D. That is the justification on taxes on cigarettes and whiskey, though I believe wild, wild women are still exempt. If you are 23 years old and starting out in your career and you choose to take your chances to go without health insurance that is affordable and available, then you have, God forbid, a catastrophic injury or illness, you are going to be a burden to taxpayers because of your careless decision. It is fair to society in general to acknowledge the risk you are to its general well-being and taxing you for it while encouraging you to make a better decision. You know all about making good decisions, don't you, D?

Cassandra2

Despite all the studies and evidence from other countries that Medicare for all would be less expensive and better at delivering care, the D-Bag would rather pay more money for less service and worse outcomes as long as the insurance companies get to take their cut.

DMoney

I pay far, far less on my family medical coverage under my private plan than I ever would through socialized healthcare, C-bag. Like many thousands. And my care is world class. People fly from other countries to go to the same clinics and hospitals I do. It's truly great, and I intend on protecting it.

martian2

well we will never know if your statement is true D. I'll bet those on medicare and a supplement pay far less per month than your private health insurance can provide. And those on medicare get much better coverage too. I think that is a safe bet.

martian2

well we will never know if your statement is true D. I'll bet those on medicare and a supplement pay far less per month than your private health insurance can provide. And those on medicare get much better coverage too. I think that is a safe bet

oldhomey

Here we go, D! Here is your chance to wield all that data and solid information that you say is the basis of every thing you state on these boards. Let the rest of us see how it is that you know "I pay far, far less on my family medical coverage under my private plan than I ever would through socialized healthcare . . . Like many thousands. And my care is world class. People fly from other countries to go to the same clinics and hospitals I do. It's truly great, and I intend on protecting it." Here is your chance, D, to stun us disbelievers into shocked silence as you unfurl the actual facts showing that you are solid, factual ground in saying what you have declared with such certitude.

Cassandra2

republicans want people uninsured because it makes them scared to lose their jobs or press to hard for change for fear of economic ruin. It creates easily cowed wage slaves and a class of people who are too scared to demand change that they will never strike out on their own and create new competition.

DMoney

Actually, yes, you are correct (albeit melodramatic). It is a common and successful strategy to entice employees with good competitive wages, excellent benefits and life insurance, paid vacation, etc. Sometimes, the offer is so good, that one can work an entire career in one place. Making a difference in people, on the economy. Raising a family and providing them security and opportunity. Those evil, sneaky Republicans ...

martian2

yes, one can expect the employer to hold over their head less healthcare insurance, less vacation, and less wages as a motivation to increase productivity. That's why on average hardly anyone works at one place their entire career anymore. Buy outs, down sizing, competition, and recessions all pay a role in employees perks. There is no more loyalty to employees or to employers.

oldhomey

As a millennial, D, you describe the world of employment that I entered into in the 1960s. I am so old, I don't even rate as a Baby Boomer, but corporate America in those days was not driven with the "shareholder value" mantra, which is really a declaration of corporate leadership grabbing what it can for themselves while ignoring its own employees and the communities the corporations reside in. At times it has meant ignoring the customers, too, with disastrous consequences to the corporation, though you can be sure the people presiding over the wreckage escaped with out-sized fortunes they did not earn in any way, shape or form. I spent my entire career with one large corporation, and though it became shaky and unsupportive of its own people in the end, for the most part I experienced security from constant volatility -- the hallmark of today's share-holder value corporate life -- and enjoyed extraordinary opportunities. You, as a millennial, missed out on this. I am sorry for your generation, because it is the generation of my kids, too. They may never have a life of employment as good as I had it. If you are trying to praise the generosity of modern corporate life here, so far you have failed. Perhaps you can earn some extra credit by coming back and listing some actual record of how corporations now are no different than they were fifty years ago in working on behalf of the bottom line while also benefitting their own employees and their communities. Perhaps it lives on in the dot.com work world, but I see scant evidence of this anywhere else.

mocha1

Having watched very closely the Obamacare debate, listening to Obama tell his opponents that he won the election so suck it up and if you want input win a few elections, and then personally having to deal with all the lies we were told about Obamacare, I have to ask, was the writer in a coma when this was all shoved down our throats, was he on a vacation to Mars for a few years, This is revisionist history at its finest.

martian2

No Obama never said suck it up because he won an election. Its the republicans who came up with the phrase "elections have consequences." And so they do, except of course when the repubs lose, then they cry and whine and try to curb the power of the elected. Talk about revisionist history mocha. So tell us oh wise one, what would you replace Obamacare with so people will be covered with preexisting conditions and not go broke because of a major illness or accident. And don't say just go to the emergency room. Thats a cop out. Still waiting for the republican health care bill.

mocha1

OMG, Obama's reply to republicans was and I quote "I won", rejecting any modifications to the apply named Obamacare. and yes people are still going to the emergency room because the dirty little secret about Obamacare is even if you get coverage for free the deductible is so high people still cannot afford treatment. And so Dems can run around and list all the people that have coverage but it is useless. and still most people on Obamacare are on Medicaid expansion, welfare, which could have easily have been done instead of destroying up the whole system. My premium doubled and my deductible more than doubled and I had a silver plan . The freebie plans are on the bronze level with deductibles of at least $7500 per person Yes the preexisting coverage is a good thing that is why the proposed replacement plan by republicans also had that feature.

Cassandra2

Guess where the money is going, Mocha--to the insurance companies, thanks to the compromises that were forced by republicans. If you REALLY wanted lower costs and better care, you'd support medicare for all and getting the profiteers out of the middle.

mocha1

And Obama did say to the Republicans, if you want input then you need to win some elections. Which the egotist actions of Obama was a good thing for repubs. It energized the base and gave the house to the repubs in 2010, effectively ending Obamas agenda. and then winning the presidency in 2016 resulting in the only thing left of the Obama agenda is basically his picture on the Whitehouse wall.

martian2

so I was right, Obama never said "I won so suck it up." Well mocha you are right that obama care wasn't perfect, it needed more work. So what did the republicans come up with to fix it or replace it? Hmmmm, still waiting for that answer. Obama care was meant to be a start, not an end all to the nations health care woes. But one party only cared about obstructionism, not helping the American people. Guess which party that was mocha!

oldhomey

Not only were you right, martian, Obama did everything he could to get Republican input from the outset, knowing that he had to get as much buy-in as possible to make the Affordable Care Act viable. Instead, with Mitch McConnell in the middle of it, the GOP did everything it could to torpedo ACA from its inception. Had it been a bipartisan effort, using the very same elements of the idea that were Republican-designed, particularly the Massachusetts plan, mocha may have had a much less painful experience, if he indeed had a painful experience. His posts are using the language of an ideologue, making anything he says suspect.

Cassandra2

The misanthropes of the republican party will continue to do whatever they can to inflict the most pain and damage on the largest number of people possible. The cruelty is the point.

crank

And what is the motive for inflicting pain and damage to people? Please reveal what you believe the motives to be for this cruelty you say “is the point”?

martian2

well cranky, look at the border and the inflicting pain purposely is used by Trump as a deterrent. He is proud of the way things are down there, and he says so often. As far as wiping out the ACA with nothing to replace it with, that cause of pain and hardship is to pander to their big pocket contributors for reelection. Private insurance companies, big pharma, and many corporations would benefit if the ACA was done away with, and let the private sector run amok with our nations health care system, with little or no over sight. Yea that would cause pain and suffering for many, but hey I bet you got yours and that is all that matters.

crank

Do you have your screen names messed up again? Are you also Cassandra2?

The statement read, "The cruelty is the point."; suggesting the Republican Party's objective is inflicting the most pain and damage to the largest number of people possible. This was her opinion. She qualified it with the word misanthrope but it's clear from her previous posts that she considers ALL Republicans to me misanthropes. So... She must also have an opinion on what the motives are for this. What's the motive you believe drives this wanton hatred of people? Are you going to answer, Cassandra2, or just fårt and leave the room like you usually do?

Perhaps this is just another instance of the 'woke', empty-headed bumper-sticker rhetoric you usually offer.

oldhomey

It's a fair question that you ask of Cassie, I will grant you that, Crank. Now you should answer what your motive was when you started telling us that you were tracking those people whose opinions you disagreed with, finding out their true identities, identifying their computers and their computer activities. You were lying, of course, but on the basis of that lie you started pretending you knew all kinds of things about several of us. What was your motive in doing this? Be truthful, crank. Tell us.

crank

Be truthful yourself, oldhomey. I’ve already explained the motive in detail. Did you forget you are doing what you accuse others of doing by using multiple accounts? Proving this was my motive which I have done to my own satisfaction. I also stated directly that I did not and would not seek out your identity. I haven’t but it doesn’t stop yo from lying about your multiple accounts or mis-stating the facts repeatedly. I know you’re embarrassed about being caught. But be honest in your re-telling of the details. You seem to insist I was tracking you while at the same time saying that I couldn’t possibly. Make up your mind, pick a story and be honest yourself. #practicewhatyoupreach

oldhomey

Are you under the impression that you proved something, crank? If you have, put up your proof for the rest of us to see. You cannot, of course, because all of this was lie from the outset. Let me clear up this mystery for you, big fella. I do not insist you were tracking me and others on these posts. I insist only that you openly said you were doing this, but obviously you did not. Why is that obvious? Because I am myself, oldhomey, and have no other accounts on these boards. Martian, with any careful reading, obviously is not me. We might agree on a lot of things, but he thinks differently than I do and writes far differently than I do. Ditto for Physics. Here is another of your lies: You did not state from the outset that you were not seeking out my identity, or martian's, or Physics'. I was so astonished by your nastiness when you openly boasted about trying to track us, I saved that post by you. Here it is: "crank Apr 30, 2019 11:10am Yes, homey... when you and your sock puppet visited my web links, I determined they were the same computer based on IP address, browser info, cookies, etc. I’m not sure why you feel the need to do this but your continued denials combined with accusations that others are using fake accounts is quite pathetic. Perhaps you’ll stop? #kingofkings #sockpuppets" You have "caught" nothing or nobody. You lied from the outset, then you lied about what you "found", which is zilch. Put up or shut up, blg fella. You only dig yourself deeper into your self-excavated hole of shame, covering yourself in bull dung.

oldhomey

crank? Are you awake? I hope I woke you up to the reality of your repeated lying on here and the serious lack of ethics you repeatedly exhibit. I take it your silence here is a tacit agreement from you that you are "woke" to the realities of your misbehavior. I also take your silence to be an acknowledgement that you now have cleared it up in your own mind that I have never for a moment believed you actually tracked down my identity or that of martian, Physics and others. If you ever actually tried to, you obviously failed in the attempt, but, as I and others have stated repeatedly that by lying about having such information, you thought you could in some way bully or intimidate us. I would laugh at the thought, except your behavior in this entire episode is not funny at all, it shows you to be a despicable, lying lout of a human being lacking in any sort of grace or moral sensibility.

crank

You sure do love to pontificate! Days ago, I asked Cassandra a question. Instead of letting her answer, here you are again spouting off. Are you also Cassandra in addition to Martian? Why the constant need for attention, little fella? Do you have such a fragile ego that you need to create extra accounts to pretend someone else shares your views? So much bluster and bickering that the noise from your trolling drowns out anyone else who dares to post on ‘your’ boards. #kingofkings

oldhomey

Ahem. crank, did I dispute the fairness of you questioning Cassie's motive? I don't believe I did. What I did do, and what I intend to do now and in the future, is call you out when you question other people's motives and honesty when you have demonstrated yourself to be a person totally without reasonable standards of honesty, fairness or ethics. You have blown your chance to be judgmental about anybody else when you are the exemplar of the worst behavior, the sort of behavior that should not be tolerated on boards like this. I can't stop you from commenting on these boards, but you cannot make comments like these under the name crank and expect to be treated as just another voice. Perhaps you should try a new screen name and start over.

crank

"And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command... "

My name is oldhomey! Look on my boards, ye peons, and despair! #kingofkings #hearmydecree #getoffmyboards #sockpuppetarmy

oldhomey

Oh, you poor boy, crank. My heart goes out to you, big fella.

DMoney

She didn't catch that part of the propaganda.

oldhomey

What propaganda are you referring to, D? I read Cassie's "pain and suffering" comment as her own opinion I didn't see her link it to any outside source.

Cassandra2

Motive 1: Profit for the insurance industry and big pharma. Motive 2: Keep the working class scared of financial ruin so they won't push against the corporate donors to the republicans. Motive 3: Keep the working class tied to their jobs and the insurance that comes with it so they won't be able to strike out on their own to create new, more competitive companies.

crank

Why? What point to causing damage/cruelty/suffering to people helps Republicans achieve anything? It seems counterintuitive to believe that hurting the most people possible helps Republicans. I understand you want to believe this is all true but it doesn’t make any sense for a political party to harm as many people as possible and make a point of being cruel in order to achieve success. I therefore believe you need to rethink your statements, Cassandra. ...assuming you put any thought into them before. It seems like someone pulled the string again and the prerecorded rants spewed forth.

new2Lax

Apparently you think the two and one half years of wasted time and money on trying to take out a duly elected President and after all is said and done, continue the process. Remember Trump won the election against all odds and you can’t change that, the country is doing just great and will continue to do so as long as a Democrats are not involved. Check out the numbers. After all the Democrats have tried and still Trumps poll numbers keep going up, why is that.

Cassandra2

Remember Newt that Trump won a MINORITY of votes and that republicans in both the House and Senate also represent a MINORITY of voters. It is only through a campaign of gerrymandering, lies and voter suppression that republicans maintain their illegitimate grip on power.

DMoney

*Because of one state:. California.

martian2

wrong again D. Gosh this is becoming a daily habit of correcting you. Hillary got more votes than Trump. Lots of people voted for Hillary, including many in Texas, New York, Florida etc..... They all played a part in the majority vote. No one state is the deciding factor. Again just more talk from hate radio. We all know how Rush hates California, and you mimic him word for word.

DMoney

The country is doing fantastic. Can't think of a single regression, other than the national debt which has exploded (and must be corrected in term 2). Other than that, Trump has delivered.

martian2

Yes he has delivered. He delivered more hate and racism, even to those in congress he dislikes. Poor baby! He has delivered on more carbon pollution, the nation's carbon out put has increased in the past year. three cheers! He admires and promotes murderous dictators, Yeah!! He has delivered on his promised of better and cheaper health care, right on! He has reformed the immigration system to be less humane and more cruel, gotta love that! Even Paul Ryan now admits what a dysfunctional president and person he is. But keep up that blind loyalty D, your fellow right wingers are just like you!

DMoney

I honestly don't know what misanthropes means, but I don't know any Republicans who seek to cause harm simply for the sake of causing harm. We have different views of how to help people, most based on setting them free and letting them make a decision.

oldhomey

You never encountered the word misanthrope while reading those thousands upon thousands of books, D? Makes me wonder about the nature of the reading material you go to. I would certainly think that Donald Trump's border policy in treatment of asylum seekers has all the hallmarks of causing harm simply for the sake of harm, as you put it.

new2Lax

Getting legislation passed based on a misleading the country into believing, if you call it a tax it will be okay, when in fact during the whole process it was not a tax. Now tell me the difference between doing that and what the Trump Administration said about the reason for the citizen question on the census. The SC said come back with a different reason and it would be okay to put the question on the 2020 census. Well the only difference I see is the fact that Obamacare forced people to purchase insurance or fined them for not purchasing it. That was a good argument then and it will more than likely be the cause of it being an unconstitutional act good forward. Every Republican voted against it and to have this joker say that the Democrats used what Republicans were for was about as lame an excuse as I ever heard. That’s like saying Democrats were for tax cuts etc when Kennedy was President and now they should embrace them because they had in the past. Try making that argument to a Democrat.

martian2

duh, fox news newt, the ACA was crafted by a similar bill in Massachusetts, by republicans. So you see, it was a republican plan all along, just expanded to include the whole country. Without republicans, the ACA would of never come about. So yea the democrats used the republicans. Every republican voted against it n the senate because McConnell told them to, and they all fall in line like little robots. But of course the republicans want socialized medicine, but just for themselves as a perk. No one else should have it as easy as they do. What great leadership hey newt, something you are proud of. As for the sham of a tax cut recently, that cut was much different than the one passed during Kennedy's term. You didn't do any research, you just are spewing the false talking points from fox again. And it gets tiresome rebuking your posts with the truth. But its so easy a child could do it(yawn)!

DMoney

That's why States can and should make their own laws. They can and should continue to do so. Federalizing something as sweeping as healthcare, where there's a real detriment to millions for the benefit of people they don't know, is not freedom and liberty. It's control of economy and commerce, which is socialism. We're not a socialist country and God help us all if that movement ever gains momentum.

oldhomey

Durn, tootin' D. If we have the feds messing around with standardizing healthcare laws for the entire country, the next thing you know they'll be wanting to standardize stuff like time zones, purity of manufactured drugs, the right to vote, standard measurements for consumer goods and manufacturing, and on and on and on. The next thing you know, they'll be wanting to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own reproductive organs. Sheesh! Those crazy commie Democrarts. Give em an inch, they'll take a kilometer, shoving the metric system down our good old American throats.

martian2

you spew what you know to be correct hey newt. Well that's a chuckle if there ever was one. NO need to rebuke newt, he knows it all, seen it all, studied it all, lived a thousand lifetimes and knows the truth when he sees it...on fox news of course.

martian2

ok no federal government for D then. Let states make a hodge podge of laws. How about states make their own individual currency, no need for that pesky federal dollar bill. Dismantle the military, the states can provide their own. And healthcare, well no more medicare or medicaid. Let the states manage it with their limited resources. Can't have anything that even comes close to socialism, the boogey man of the GOP. No more social security, let them starve. No more federal safety regulations for air travel, let them crash. NO more federal pollution standards, let them all pollute and hope they have safe drinking water and air that's breathable. Yes D, your 8:17 post is about the dumbest one yet from you.

new2Lax

There is never a need to rebuke my comments as they are correct, I do not post issues that are incorrect. I spew what I know to be correct.

new2Lax

If you do a little research, if you are speaking of Romney Care, that was a failure from the beginning. Costs were astronomical, ER was still being used and the bill I thought was scrapped, same as Oregon’s similar plan. I guess you have to really thank Republicans for bringing forth a healthcare plan after all then. They never seem to get credit for anything like being the original folks to come up with a healthcare plan and now the economy is doing great by all measures and still no credit.

martian2

yes republicans get the credit for the original Healthcare bill of romney care. Its a failure you say, what have they come up since then??? Economy is doing great, thanks Obama, your stimulus packages are kicking in and doing well. Let's hope the repubs don't mess it up again.

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