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John Pavlovitz is a liberal, widely read Christian pastor who has composed an internet article saying good people don’t defend a bad man.

And you know who he’s talking about, of course: none other than President Donald Trump, whose deplorable supporters have climbed from a basket into the crosshairs of a sanctimonious sharpshooter.

Let me first respond by saying good people do not threaten the basic principles of our democracy in order to be bad to a bad man.

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Few see Mother Teresa in golden hair when they look at Trump. They know his narcissistic, vulgar, scatterbrained ways and can be horrified by his abusive tweets and rhetoric. But then they see an unprecedented effort through illegitimate means to overturn a legitimate election and understand how a pattern could thus be established threatening peaceful transitions of power.

One of the most persistent voices defending Trump in this regard has been that of Alan Dershowitz, a brilliant former law professor at Harvard and a mighty advocate of civil rights.

He voted for Hillary Clinton and is himself a liberal but was more than a little displeased by the investigation of Trump by special counsel Robert Mueller and thought Mueller’s recent comments were outrageous nonsense unforgivably on the side of impeachment. Dershowitz is primarily defending truth, justice and the American way, and that is good.

Ah, but by Pavolitz’s reckoning, anyone standing up for Trump is probably “a terrible human being,” someone liking Trump because “he reflects your hateful heart; he shares your contempt of people of color, your hostility toward outsiders, your toxic misogyny, your ignorant bigotry, your feeling of supremacy.”

Ah, poor Victor Davis Hanson. A former professor I happen to know and a dazzling polymath whose knowledge would fit in very few brains, this writer has supported Trump and is therefore a hateful, bigoted, misogynistic supremacist who doesn’t come close to any of that.

I will skip an adjectival attack on Pavlovitz.

But good people, we should note, should also slow down and look in both directions before saying, for instance, that Trump referred to some “racists and Nazis” as “fine people” after the horror in Charlottesville.

Sorry, Pavlovitz, but you are now about to get run over by a fact: Trump said there were “fine people” on both sides in the protests, but that he was “not talking about the neo-Nazis or the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

I am not through.

Pavlovitz talks about Trump pushing ahead to “gouge the working poor and shelter the wealthy” when Trump instead gave tax breaks to two-thirds of the population and employed tax and regulation reform to enable internationally competitive corporate profits.

He thereby delivered an economy in which we have the lowest unemployment in half a century, more jobs for black Americans than ever in history and decent growth again.

What President Barack Obama gave us was the slowest recovery since World War II, vastly increased welfare rolls and bits and pieces of help tied to unaddressed obstacles.

A Pavlovitz sin, at least intellectually, was to leave out context, such as misdeeds of other presidents, the potentially ruinous policy ideas of too many of the Democratic presidential candidates or the frequent, politically advantageous malevolence of congressional Democrats. I as a layman am not absolutist about it, but I believe Trump’s often misrepresented positions sometimes go amiss but are often much to be preferred to those on the other side.

It does not follow that I embrace Trump’s worst characteristics or fail to recognize that he wins the award for shock and awe in the Oval Office.

For Pavlovitz to say such nasty things about millions of people he does not know is not good, and it is worth paying attention to him because he is representative of so many others we do know about through their writings.

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new2Lax

Everyone of Democrats want to reverse the Trump tax cuts and now all you here is the tariffs is just a tax and want them stopped, which is it, if they represent a tax, they should be happy but their not, they got their taxes raised. I just wonder how the Democrats can explain the consumer sentiment numbers, it represents the way folks feel about the direction of the country. This number has skyrocketed and tells you all you need to know when comparing Obama’s economy and Trumps. Looks like the good lord will look out for the country again in 2020. After only a couple of years in office, the Trump base and poll numbers continue to go up, it appears Democrats rendered themselves useless. If you look at their contribution to making the country better, they do not seem to be needed. What makes their resistance such a flop is the fact that they had the in bed with them along with the leadership of key government agencies and still the attempted coup failed. Can you even imagine what will be found in these investigations, it will be shocking. Thank the lord, we now found out yesterday, Hillary Clinton’s e-mail server was in fact hacked and the government knew it all along.

oldhomey

Yes, new2, I just cannot understand all those ignorant Democrats. I mean, the country and the economy were just doing superbly well under George W. Bush, with housing and employment booming, tranquility on the homefront and vast respect for America across the world for its wise and judicious use of its military might. Then along comes Obama, destroys the economy, makes us the laughing stock of all nations and people like the elderly and retirees longingly wishing for the safety nets and retirement income that George W. provided them with the fabulous outcome of privatizing retirement investment. It is SO good that we have Donald Trump, the most selfless, kind-hearted, red-blooded American ever to serve in the White House. He and he alone can watch out for the well-being of all Americans. Don't believe me. Just ask Donald Trump, and he'll tell you the same things I just did.

Cassandra2

From the survey's authors: "...Although consumer sentiment remained at very favorable levels, confidence significantly eroded in the last two weeks of May. The late-month decline was due to unfavorable references to tariffs, spontaneously mentioned by 35% of all consumers..." Also, I did a quick Google search and was unable to find any reference to a recent news story about the Clinton e-mail server. Perhaps Newt is getting his "facts" from Q-Anon again.

martian2

oh boy fox news newt has gone off the deep end for sure. His hero worship of the Donald has reached new heights. He grabs numbers out of thin air, makes assumptions based on nonsense, and praises his dear leader like a god little fascist. Seen the latest poll numbers last night, Biden 53% to Trump 40% if the election were today. Wow! I know you like polls there newt, thought I would share that one with ya.

Cassandra2

It really is amazing to me just how much fascism some people will accept in exchange for a little bit of economic good news. Even more amazing is how little scrutiny they will apply to those economic numbers and how blindly they will accept them even though they dismissed the same numbers just a few years ago.

new2Lax

It is not a coincident the country is in such good shape with Trump at the helm. All you need review is the Obama Administrations economy, not even a close comparison. His inability to get the GDP above a 1% level, get a decent trade agreement.

martian2

Like Reagan, the unemployment numbers went up soon after Obama took office and hit a peak of 10%. the final month Obama was in office it was down to 4.8%. Not bad for the worst recession since WWII. Over 11 million new jobs added under Obama, corporate profits went thru the roof at over 57%. The S&P index rose 166%! I could go on and on but there are plenty of good economic numbers under Obama that you will never hear on fox news. Check it out here newt if you dare newt. https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/

Cassandra2

Martian, you know that facts don't matter to the Trump humpers, right?

capedcrusader

Those pesky numbers...

martian2

yep not a peep from fox news newt. guess he bit off more than he could chew.

Climatehoax

Need you hateful libs be reminded, lowest unemployment in50 years, lowest minority unemployment EVER. Manufacturing jobs coming back, implementing good trade policy, busineses expansion. Everything is good under Trump, you people just can’t stand his success !

Cassandra2

Lowest labor participation rate in decades. Americans now paying billions of dollars in tariffs because Trump doesn't understand basic economics. Retail apocalypse in full meltdown mode. Manufacturing layoffs at breakneck pace. Hoaxer, you just can't handle the facts that are right in front of you. Delete your account.

johnnybragatti

Let's be honest, the vastly huge majority of the celebrated : "Trump-Humpers"tend to be extremely angry and agitated. Terrible ? Repulsive? Yeah you could say that. Their innermost hatred of "Libtards", are their main reason for worshiping and idolizing their unstable liar ,racist, con-man. Most of trump"s supporters freely admit, to having the same aspirations. All you gotta do is talk to some of "em, observe the highly challenged "people", at his nazi rallies or simply read some of the comments made, on an array of web-sites,throughout the world. Most of these whackjobs are not playing with a full deck., as you can plainly see, on the Trib"s web.

martian2

I know many Trump supporters personally, And no I do not consider them abhorrent or terrible people, not at all. they may be misinformed, or not informed at all but that doesn't make them bad people. Those that get their news from one source like fox or talk radio are going to have a slanted and misguided understanding of today's events. That doesn't make them bad, maybe they are lazy, but not bad people. Just like those who voted for Nixon or bush II will look back one day and saw the mistakes they made voting. We all will be doing that exercise too if we live long enough. So far I have no regrets.

DMoney

Glad to see. No regrets here either.

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martian2

of course there are always exceptions to the rule. Yes some Trump supporters could be classified as bad people, Hoaxer man just provided one example. Hoaxer, you should get the new card that conservatives are now carrying with them. On it is six scape goat reasons why you and other conservatives are so unhappy or otherwise miserable in your failures in life. Pick any scape goat reason such as: minorities, or migrants, or non Christians, or liberals, or Gay people, or deep state! There you go for starters Hoaxer, I am sure you can dream up other reasons to be miserable.

A Veteran

martain ---I do not consider myself a failure in life,I will put my net worth up to yours and bet you a huge chunk of it that it is more than yours so put up or shut up FOOL!!!!!!!!!

martian2

well ricky/fake veteran, the net worth of a person does is no way decide if a person is a so called success in life. Anyone can have a lot of net worth, like donald T you can just inherit it. That doesn't mean a whole lot. So the point is how miserable you are and so many right wingers who are so full of hate and anger. And I provided many scapegoats for you to chose from as the cause of your misery. But a successful person really needs no excuses, he/she chooses to be happy and content no matter the circumstances, no matter the ignorant name calling dodos that you run into in life.

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capedcrusader

You and new2Lax having trouble typing lately?

PhysicsIsFun

Maybe they are the same person, or maybe they are using the same computer in the day room at the institution they live in.

capedcrusader

"OTIS BERG" must be having the same problem. Can't you stop fooling around and use one name? Otis Berg Jun 9, 2019 2:35pm ‘Need’ now means wanting someone else’s money. ‘Greed’ means wanting to keep money you earned and labored for. ‘Collaboration’ is when a newspaper works hand in hand with politicians to arrange the transfer.

PhysicsIsFun

I like to use the term misguided. Though some are evil, especially the paid shills.

oldhomey

Mr. Ambrose, the worst professional political columnist in the business today, tells us that the investigation into Russian tampering with the 2016 election was illegal. That shows you how much he is willing to forgive to keep the heat off of this president. He will tolerate the interference of our elective process by an extremely hostile nation. And he gets paid to write this nonsense. Then he goes on to tell us "{Dershowitz} . . . voted for Hillary Clinton and is himself a liberal but was more than a little displeased by the investigation of Trump by special counsel Robert Mueller and thought Mueller’s recent comments were outrageous nonsense unforgivably on the side of impeachment. Dershowitz is primarily defending truth, justice and the American way, and that is good." The Mueller report speaks for itself, and Mueller, much to the chagrin of Democrats, did not speak for impeachment. He begged off, simply saying he could not exonerate Trump, that would be up to Congress to exonerate him or not. Left unstated but implicit in his statement was that it was NOT the decision of the attorney general's office to do so. But the facts laid out in the report are instance upon instance of presidential abuse of power, bullying and attempting to obstruct justice. Is this the truth, justice and American way that Alan Dershowitz is trying to protect? Balderdash.

new2Lax

If the AG does not have the authority to not charge Trump, what’s the problem, it should be a simple matter for whoever you thinks has the authority to charge Trump. That’s not happening and whoever that person is has made no attempt to claim the authority or do something about it. Why is that, it seems abundantly clear to you, I’m sure whoever that person is must be aware of his authority or maybe Barr has the authority and you are wrong. I suggest the latter. The one thing you assume to be correct and is not is the fact Mueller’s job was to exonerate Trump. He was charged with bringing forth the facts and recommending charging Trump or not. It was his job to prove collusion and not Trumps job to prove he is innocent. The facts were then to be reported to his boss the AG and it is then up to the AG to charge Trump or not based on the facts. The AG then reviews the facts and Mueller’s recommendations and proceeds to report or not what he deems appropriate. In this case he chose to reveal 99% of the report and gave Mueller and Rod Rosenstein and opportunity to assist on its presentation, Mueller refused as did the Democrats in their refusing to read the full report presented. This whole week there have been a barrage of reports showing the errors and misrepresentations made by Mueller team in the report, in some cases changing the wording and omitting sentences to the extent of changing the entire substance of the tape, interview or document. Mueller himself has been writing letters correcting some of the wording presented.

Cassandra2

Newt, have you read the Mueller Report? Have you read the documents to created the Special Counsel's investigation? No, I thought not.

new2Lax

What more do you need to know, Trump was not charged, there will be no impeachment and the Inspector Generals report has been delayed again, new information has to be investigated. Can you give me an idea as to what these investigation into the investigation will produce. Do you think it was all on the up and up or did some nefarious things take place, will anyone be referred criminally for their actions. Have you ever wondered why Carter Page is not in prison or do you think maybe this investigation was all political to bring down Trump. Everyone has all these questions and Mueller’s team never addressed any of them. The fact up to 10people involved with the investigation have been fired, suspended and referred to the DOJ for criminal prosecution, that is more than the investigation produced, excluding the Russians and their web site stuff.

Cassandra2

Newt responds, but refuses to answer the question about whether he has read the Mueller Reprot. It's clear that he hasn't and is just repeating right-wing talking points without actually having done any research on the subject himself.

capedcrusader

Problems typing?

A Veteran

old cowardly phony---When are you going to take the bet COWARD??????????

DMoney

Still waiting on hard proof of Trump being evil and the worst president ever. Not interested in opinion.

oldhomey

Well opinion is not what is expressed in the Mueller report, D. It is fact and evidence. I don't know what more you need. I was, however, interested in an opinion you expressed under a column a night or two ago that has since aged out of the paper. You told us that most of us who dislike Trump probably are not business people, experience of which apparently to your mind confers economic wisdom. And you said that Trump, to whom you ascribed monumental powers of business acumen, knows how to negotiate and is the perfect leader for these times, driving hard bargains from positions of power. You offered no evidence whatsoever that he is doing so and delivering anything of worth to our nation as a result. Indeed, Trump instead of having sterling business credentials has for decades been treated as a bankrupt-prone pariah by most banks. He filed for bankruptcy 11 times, stiffing tens of thousands of creditors and shareholders while he walked away with millions. But from the 1970s onward, no bank would risk loaning money to him on his ventures except for Deutschebank. Why it gave him money is a mystery to the financial world. He keeps stiffing them, too, and now it is totally embarrassed for its transactions with him and is now possibly facing legal repercussions for it, too. As one wag has said, when he was born, financially Trump automatically was already on third base due to his father's wealth, but Trump has been claiming he hit the triple on his own. He claims to be worth $10 billion, but every business publication looking at all available records says it is far less than that, possibly less than a billion. That is still a lot of wealth, but that is about what he inherited from his father, and if he hasn't grown it since then, he has been losing money. Business genius, indeed. Why do you think he refuses to allow anybody to look at his tax returns, my naive younger friend?

Rick Czeczok

What are you going to write about in 5 1/2 years once Trumps terms are up. Oh that's right at your age you will probably never make it anyway. Would the end of your life span not be better served happy, instead of so bitter all the time?

oldhomey

Gosh, the Pollyanna of the Tribune opinion commenters, Ricky, has spread joy and light into my bitter heart, showing me the error of my ways. I will be a better, not a bitter, human being in the extremely limited time Ricky has predicted that I have left to me. Why, oh why, did I not live by Ricky's example earlier?

capedcrusader

11 times? Wow, I thought it was 4. And DMoney wouldn't mind being in business with him? Wow.

PhysicsIsFun

The transitive property proves that Trump is a terrible president.

Cassandra2

Well, D-Bag, if you're looking for facts, I'd direct you to the Mueller Report, which you clearly haven't read.

Cassandra2

Ambrose and the Trump supporters are on the wrong side of history. There is no defense for the indefensible.

DMoney

So you are of the opinion that all Trump voters/supporters are terrible, repulsive people?

oldhomey

I don't know how Cassie feels about it, D, but since you raise the question, I don't think all Trump voters/supporters are terrible, repulsive people. But by giving Trump their votes and support they are making terrible, repulsive and indefensible choices. And they should be judged accordingly for having such bad judgement. Certainly they need to be called out for it, shown that they are making a bad choice based on bad information and asked to stop it. So stop it.

Cassandra2

I think anyone who supports Jim Jones or Adolph Hitler or any other number of people who committed crimes against humanity are terrible, repulsive and un-redeemable people.

DMoney

You didn't answer the question. Do you think all who voted for Trump are terrible people?

oldhomey

Well, D, to clarify, that is not the question you asked. You asked: "DMoney Jun 7, 2019 12:43pm "So you are of the opinion that all Trump voters/supporters are terrible, repulsive people?" But if I were to answer your second question about how I regard people who voted for Trump, including some of my closest, most beloved family members, I do not think they are terrible people. I think they are people who made a terrible choice, the worst in presidential history in this case.

Cassandra2

D-Bag, I answered the question pretty clearly.

DMoney

Nah, your being slippery C-bag. You are trying to be massively prejudicial without having the guts to own it.

Cassandra2

Yes, D-Bag, I think that anyone who supports homophobia, racism, sexism, concentration camps for refugees, separating children from their families and a whole host of other crimes by Trump are terrible, repulsive and un-redeemable people who are driven only by belligerent ignorance and avarice.

capedcrusader

I guess cassandra2 answered you now DMoney.

Rick Czeczok

400# troll, Hey, hey, hey.....

johnnybragatti

Supporters of the Orange Carcass are affectionately known as :Trump-Humpers. They will support trump thru ANYthing. In as much as they idolize him, they will stand up for ANY wrong doing and criminal activity,no matter how unconstitutional or unAmerican. When one worships a racist,con-man,cheating liar, they most likely have the same agenda. You know most assuredly, that individual has the same game plan. Trump"s a "sharp-shooter", alright, ain"t he? Especially at shooting himself in the foot,not to mention the American people, like on 5th Avenue.

Rick Czeczok

This is your brain on drugs. Acid is his drug of choice I assume.

Cassandra2

How's the weather in St. Petersburg these days, Comrade?

capedcrusader

Czeczok, are you using more than one name on the Tribune site?

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