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Can you believe it? Even The New York Times has come around to seeing there is a crisis at the southern border and it has to be addressed, which is to say, Democrats should give the Trump administration the $4.5 billion it has requested to deal with death, sickness and misery.

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This horror is afflicting not just a few but tens of thousands of illegal immigrants taking advantage of progressive malfeasance.

The Times, while conceding the Trump team is right this time around, wants you to know that it has been absurd and worse in past rumblings about drugs and murderers and such.

In fact Trump has time and again referred to humanitarian concerns. Yes, he has bleeped demagogic stupidities as part of a seemingly irrevocable style, although few any more objectionable than the politically evil theory that walls are evil.

Perhaps Trump’s worst move was a government shutdown that in effect said we will hurt the innocent if you don’t compromise with us. That’s inexcusable.

It was also inexcusable for House Democrats to reject a bill that would have funded not just some wall-building, but more border agents and a change in a law that incredibly says come one, come all because we will let loads of you unchecked lawbreakers wander about the country as you see fit.

Please, please tell me why the Democrats could not see that one triumphant caravan would breed more triumphant caravans?

How could they miss the need for more border agents given ever larger numbers of immigrants who could not conceivably be dealt with properly by the number of agents on hand?

How could any truly caring, open-minded legislator not grasp that a legally reworked asylum law could have could induced more safety through rational orderliness?

And, as an issue that points to politics overruling information, why did some Democrats make it sound as if Trump were still talking about a 2,000-mile wall, or one that was concrete or 30-feet high?

How come they did not know that walls do in fact work and can help free border agents up to forestall possible human tragedies? Oh, and getting back to the Times and other critics, why didn’t they know that some killers were sneaking through along with human traffickers and that the Trump administration knew you had to address points of entry to stop drug smuggling?

Yes, it’s true that dictatorial Central American regimes have established murderous living conditions for some and, despite what a number of unobservant idealists are saying, nation building does not work. But please also understand that a Gallup poll says 150 million people worldwide would like to immigrate here and, if we don’t have some sense of sovereignty and limits, we could be crushed.

The immediate issue is taking care of those assaulted by the conditions in part perpetrated by too many liberals always heeding self-righteous intentions until the consequences say ready, aim, fire. As the Times wisely points out, neither Democrats nor Republicans should get so caught up in side issues as to neglect the suffering of these people.

We must do what’s right in the here and how and then revisit what will be right for the long run, including merit-based legal immigration that is not thereby neglecting the needy.

People with job skills can be needy, too, and they are less likely to endure hardship in America and more likely to contribute to the national good.

As the Trump administration knows, we must also address those overstaying their visas with an E-Verify system. And there’s another matter recently raised again, and that’s Trump’s suggestion that walls could be topped by solar panels. Some university research shows that’s feasible.

Yes, we are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws, without which there would be no nation at all.

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Climatehoax

Racism, treating someone differently because they have different color skin, example, I need a passport to get into MY OWN country, liberals want unfettered flow of illegals coming into our country, liberals allow illegals to get away with crimes I would be jailed for. The illegals are treated differently than I am, better as a matter of fact. Conclusion, every liberal who doesn’t want the flow of illegals stopped is a flaming RACIST. FACT!!!

martian2

oh gawd here goes hoaxer ranting and raving, the sky is falling in! Yes unfettered flow of migrants is what liberals want. Better get those guns ready hoaxer! So what crimes would you be jailed for that migrants would not be? Well if stupidity was a crime you would never see the light of day. If migrants have it sooo good as you claim, go south of the border and dress like the locals and live there. I don't think anyone here would miss you for a minute.

Climatehoax

Ok racist

Climatehoax

Ranting and raving, the sky is falling in! You mean like libs and climate change??

oldhomey

More evidence that Climate is completely flipping out, simply spluttering absolutely insane nonsense. He needs a family intervention, if he has one.

oldhomey

Ambrose, the worst professional political pundit at work today tells us: "It was also inexcusable for House Democrats to reject a bill that would have funded not just some wall-building, but more border agents and a change in a law that incredibly says come one, come all because we will let loads of you unchecked lawbreakers wander about the country as you see fit."

I have to ask why some editor at some point doesn't call Ambrose on the carpet and ask him to begin to authenticate his bizarre statements like these with a few verifiable facts. If he can't the newspaper should not run him.

Climatehoax

RACIST

oldhomey

Oh my. I am SO deeply stung to be so labeled by such a paragon of virtue and morality like Climate.

Jobaba

This did not happen unannounced. Banking institutions, intelligence agencies and others all knew this was going to happen. As long as ten years ago it was noted that Mexican improvements to its infrastructure would allow easier passage through the country. Absence of capitol for loans in many countries south of us meant there was no way for people to get loans. Deteriorating authority of weak governments allowed crime to blossom. Figure it out. Sometimes when you want your way it is easier to allow the crisis to happen. No money for Trump's ego wall. Democrats have always voted for strong border protections (they just did again). What republicans need to do is work with democrats- i.e. - stop playing games with DACA. To think a wall will cure this is ludicrous. Just remember, sometimes when a crisis is allowed to happen it can get out of control.

Climatehoax

Definitely, almost daily there news of an illegal killing or raping someone

oldhomey

Yes, I agree, Climate. Why doesn't the press give us more coverage of legal killing and raping??? Definitely too much news on illegal killing or raping someone. What an intellect you possess, Climate. One only has to read your screen name and to know exactly what we're dealing with.

Climatehoax

Hey, idiot, we are ALWAYS going to have bad people in our society. But for heavens sake we’ve got BAD people from other societies swarming over the border which we CAN do something about. HUGE DIFFERENCE. We’ve got to keep trying to make our country better, allowing trash to come illegally, giving them MY Medicare I paid for for 48 Years for FREE, sure in the he// isn’t helping our country at all!!! Along with instate tuition, proposed by our imbecile governor, AND drivers license,! THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.

oldhomey

Ahem. Climate, I am not the idiot who referred to something as illegal murder and rape. As far as I know, all murder and rape is illegal.

I am not the idiot who claims there are swarms of bad people trying to get into our country for the express purpose of murder and rape. All indications from all sides of this point to the fact that immigrants, both legal and illegal, are more law-abiding than the general population of American-born citizens. It stands to reason that, once here, they want to stay here and will not call attention to themselves with criminality, which will surely lead to them being jailed and then kicked out afterward.

I am not the idiot who gets on here calling immigrants "trash" while claiming that they are getting Medicare benefits at your expense. I defy you to offer a piece of believable evidence that this is happening.

The only thing you have said in this 6:15pm post that seems to have a grain of truth to it is that you have paid into Medicare for 48 years. That would put you into my age cohort. I am embarrassed, as you apparently have learned very little in your life. You give codgers like me a bad name.

But then you have one of the worst, most ridiculous screen names on these boards, a name that seems like you are proudly proclaiming "I am a complete and utter ignoramus". And certainly, from the content of your posts, you seem to be just that.

Climatehoax

When did killing and rape become legal, as you state??

martian2

I think you are confused there hoaxer.There are lots of killing and raping going on by white nationalists types like yourself who believe its time to get the guns ready! I would live next door by a loving migrant family, with or without documents, than a white nationalist.

Climatehoax

So you agree there’s rape and killing by liberals in this country, then why in the he// don’t we build a wall so there’s less of it, or don’t you care? My goodness, let’s at least do what we can!

Cassandra2

Yes, Hoaxer, and almost daily there is a news report of another wingnut going on a rampage and causing a mass shooting. But you choose to ignore that fact because it runs counter to your paranoid fantasies.

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martian2

Gosh is on a racist binge, calling everyone except his white national buddies racist. Can it get any worse for hoaxer, it just may!

Cassandra2

Ambrose still refuses to admit the reality that a wall will do nothing to solve the larger issue of immigration. He wants to saddle future generations with even more debt from this irresponsible administration. The answer is no.

DMoney

What's the Democrat plan? Or is the mysterious lack of action related to cutting off potential voters?

martian2

yea right there D. Those migrants travel thousands of miles to escape poverty and threats and corruption just so they can come and vote for democratic politicians that they never heard of. Yea that makes sense. This makes much more sense, tea party nut jobs voting for republicans no matter how immoral they are. Now there is the truth.

A Veteran

martain--look who's talking about truth a HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DMoney

Siiiiigh..... They don't come here to vote for Democrats. Once they get here and the Democrats are their best friends and supporters, who they voting for?

oldhomey

I think D is under the impression that immigrants, both legal and illegal, once they get past the border immediately register to vote and start putting Democrats into office. He has had some awful nightmare that haunts him from his time in southern California. I expect he was in business there trying to take money off of immigrant populations, and they resented that he thought he could take them as suckers. So he slinked back to Wisconsin, becoming the beloved boss of people he openly despises and would not spend ten minutes with outside of work.

Cassandra2

Here's a FACT for you, D-Bag: Refugees and immigrants don't get to vote until they gain American citizenship through an arduous process. Here's another fact: The only documented cases of widespread voter fraud are by republicans. Facts. But those don't matter to you, do they?

Climatehoax

Racist

Cassandra2

Gee, D-bag, you were able to hit not one, but TWO ridiculous wingnut talking points in one post. You get a gold star for the day! For your next post you get extra credit if you can include a racist dog whistle.

DMoney

And the flip side Cbag, you didn't provide one answer. Typical.

Cassandra2

Nope, you missed the extra credit.

Cassandra2

I can tell you this, D-Bag, the DemocratIC plan doesn't include a useless, but very expensive, wall that is only designed to generate votes from the ignorant racist base.

DMoney

What's the plan C bag?

DMoney

You aren't applying enough brain power here. Wake up. ILLEGAL immigrants are allowed to vote in local elections in many liberal areas. Democrats are trying to do away with ID. Democratic leaders are pushing for lower voting ages, voting rights for felons/inmates. They have been and will continue to push for ILLEGAL immigrants to vote in federal elections. Before responding, Google these facts. I'm not making them up.

oldhomey

I take it that you have all of this verified with actual facts -- or, as you put it, D, "data"? Let's see what you have here.

capedcrusader

Baloney

oldhomey

The Democrats had a plan ready to pass back in the Obama administration until Mitch McConnell torpedoed it. Now Trump has Trumped up the border crisis to the point that it is becoming what it never should have been -- a major humanitarian disaster. We can begin by stopping the kidnapping and caging of small children from immigrant families, and by dealing humanely with those people now stuck on the border. What we should NOT do is react to these people with the same sort of violent, goonish behavior that set them running from their home countries.

DMoney

Call it what you want but if you look at the border situation and do not see a big problem, you are bat scat crazy. Massive violation of our sovereignty, murderers and rapists coming through, the innocent women and children suffering, agents over burdened on a DAILY basis. It's a huge problem that must be fixed fast. I don't care what solution--but these overpaid, attention seeking, bloodsucking so called politicians need to do their jobs and create a solution. At least Trump tried. What have Democrats done????

Jobaba

Democrats asked republicans at least 4 times to fix immigration while Obama was President. 8 years of trying. Almost like they could see the future.

oldhomey

Amen, Jo, but be careful of D. He is on his high horse now ranting like the best right wing ideologues about over-paid, bloodsucking politicians he happens to disagree with. He is even angrily using multiple question marks to impress us how deeply irked he is!!!!

DMoney

Example? Source?

oldhomey

Why do you make this so easy for me, D? Here is an example, complete with the source:

" DMoney May 10, 2019 10:44am

"Call it what you want but if you look at the border situation and do not see a big problem, you are bat scat crazy. Massive violation of our sovereignty, murderers and rapists coming through, the innocent women and children suffering, agents over burdened on a DAILY basis. It's a huge problem that must be fixed fast. I don't care what solution--but these overpaid, attention seeking, bloodsucking so called politicians need to do their jobs and create a solution. At least Trump tried. What have Democrats done?????"

DMoney

Was asking Jobaba

oldhomey

D, how could you in good conscience think you can duck your lie with your ridiculous excuse in your 2:55pm post? You have in the past admitted when you were wrong. Why would you deny it here, when it is so plain that it couldn't be more clear if it were printed billboard-sized?

martian2

Trump tried??? What exactly did he try, to build a wall! That is no solution, that is playing politics. Trumps needs these migrants to keep coming to try to cross the border. then he can vilify them, call them names, say they are all druggies and murderers. He can fire up his base with his hate talk, and people like you just suck it up.

capedcrusader

What did Republicans do when Reagan was President?

DMoney

If you want to keep going further back in history we'll go all the way to Democrats in the mid 1800s. Let's talk about now.

capedcrusader

Hey, your comment was "what have Democrats done?" You know what I said. You didn't answer - what have Republicans done? If you really believe there is a crisis at the border this is a problem that can only get fixed by everyone. All people like you do is try to make everyone think you have the right answer and you can't even work with anyone else. Oh well, no matter what happens you'll be ok right? Now, try again. What have the Republicans EVER done to stop the problem at the border. Reagan gave the illegals amnesty.

DMoney

Trump is trying to create a wall, which like every wall in history both big and small, will work. Along with the wall the funds would add more agents and technology. Read the full plan. So in summary, to answer your question, Republicans are trying very hard right now to so something. Is it perfect? Nope. But it's something. Something is always better than nothing.

capedcrusader

DMoney, Is raising taxes better than doing nothing?

johnnybragatti

Kinda of the downer snort of being elderly ain"t it ? A sheer bloodsucker ,in your very own right . Time to "fess" up ain't it?

Climatehoax

Racist idiot

DMoney

If I am elderly to you, that would put you at about 10 years old. Which honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least.

martian2

no no D, don't try to change the subject. I was addressing your ridiculous 5;39 statement. That is why things don't get done, people exaggerate and lie about a problem placing blame on to someone else. Therefor nothing gets done. Saying migrants are potential voters for only democrats is crazy.

Climatehoax

You’re wrong, just as felons are 70% to vote DemoRat

PhysicsIsFun

and 100% of people who use the screen name Climatehoax are not very bright.

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