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I had fully intended to ignore President Trump’s latest round of racially charged taunts against an African American elected official, and an African American activist, and an African American journalist and a whole city with a lot of African Americans in it.

I had every intention of walking past Trump’s latest outrages and writing about the self-destructive squabbling of the Democratic presidential field, which has chosen to shame Joe Biden for the sin of being an electable, moderate liberal.

But I made the mistake of pulling James Cone’s “The Cross and the Lynching Tree” off my shelf — a book designed to shatter convenient complacency.

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Cone recounts the case of a white mob in Valdosta, Georgia, in 1918, that lynched an innocent man named Haynes Turner.

Turner’s enraged wife, Mary, promised justice for the killers. The sheriff responded by arresting her, and then turning her over to the mob, which included women and children.

According to one source, Mary Turner was “stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground and was stomped to death.”

God help us.

It is hard to write the words. This evil — the evil of white supremacy, resulting in dehumanization, inhumanity and murder — is the worst stain, the greatest crime, of American history.

It is the thing that nearly broke the nation. It is the thing that proved generations of Christians to be vicious hypocrites. It is the thing that turned normal people into moral monsters, capable of burning a grieving widow to death and murdering her child.

During 300 years of routine horrors — the slave ships, the brandings, the separation of families, the beatings, the lynchings, the constant flood of humiliation, the racist ads for soap and toothpaste, the anti-black riots, the segregation of buses and pools and schools and suburbs, the sundown towns, the kangaroo courts, the police dogs and water cannons, the church bombings, the cruel and petty tyranny of whites, reinforced by the most prominent politicians in the country — during all of this, none of the descendants of Europe were able to stamp this evil out.

As James Baldwin said in 1963, “The only people in the country at the moment who believe either in Christianity or in the country are the most despised minority in it.”

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Racism is the fire that left our country horribly disfigured. It is the beast we try to keep locked in the basement.

When the president of the United States plays with that fire or takes that beast out for a walk, it is not just another political event, not just a normal day in campaign 2020. It is a cause for shame.

It is the violation of martyrs’ graves. It is obscene graffiti on the Lincoln Memorial. It is, in the eyes of history, the betrayal — the re-betrayal — of Haynes and Mary Turner and their child. And all of this is being done by an ignorant and arrogant narcissist, reviving racist tropes for political gain, indifferent to the wreckage he is leaving, the wounds he is ripping open.

Like, I suspect, many others, I am finding it hard to look at resurgent racism as just one in a series of presidential offenses, or another in a series of Republican errors. Racism is not just another wrong. The Antietam battlefield is not just another plot of ground. The Edmund Pettus Bridge is not just another bridge. The balcony of Room 306 at the Lorraine Motel is not just another balcony. As American history hallows some causes, it magnifies some crimes.

What does all this mean politically?

It means that Trump’s divisiveness is getting worse, not better. He makes racist comments, appeals to racist sentiments and enflames racist passions.

The rationalization that he is not, deep down in his heart, really a racist is meaningless. Trump’s continued offenses mean that a large portion of his political base is energized by racist tropes and the language of white grievance.

And it means — whatever their intent — that those who downplay, or excuse, or try to walk past these offenses are enablers.

Some political choices are not just stupid or crude. They represent the return of our country’s cruelest, most dangerous passion. Such racism indicts Trump. Treating racism as a typical or minor matter indicts us.


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johnnybragatti

dmoney ,the back stabbing, double dealing, political savant, who has not a clue how racist he really is, by the Trumpian manner, in which he stands with other racists.

Quite personally, I feel sorry for his kids. The downside of watching Fox Fake 54/7 and Hannity.Ingraham,Carlson. Not good for the soul.

capedcrusader



DMoney Aug 8, 2019 9:13pm



...what?? I've never once remotely claimed to be a political savant. I've denounced politics (both sides). I distrust and disdain politicians. I've been consistent and clear in doing so.



I'm sure glad you feel that way about Trump too! Right?

johnnybragatti

Thanks Caped ,what an absolutely fantastic informative and educational article. I know some will never read it and prefer to be :"dumbed down." and stay that way.

capedcrusader

DMoney : June 2019 issue of The Atlantic has "An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry".

capedcrusader

DMoney - you claim oldhomey lost. Answer this one. I think he painted you into a corner and I want to see if you can get out. Don't be cute. Just answer the question.



oldhomey Aug 5, 2019 10:55pm



Exactly, D. You can't change the meaning of words. but, as you are doing in this argument, when you can't reach the goalpost, you can try to move the goalpost closer to you by changing the the rules and standards that you originally laid out, making it easier to score a point. You failed, You can't change Donald Trump's words or behavior, which has been consistent and consistently racist since long before he even decided to run for president. It the last few weeks his public statements, particularly his tweets, have been a litany of "discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping". I know it offends you because he has not had the decency to use the "N" word or made reference to skin color. You can take comfort, however, in his past performances, like refusing to rent his New York apartments to black people, his insistence that Barrack Obama was born in Kenya, his attempts to ban people of certain religions from entry into the U.S., his declaration of a U.S.-born judge presiding over a trial involving Trump could not render a fair decision because his heritage was Mexican, his declarations that Mexican immigrants were rapists and murderers while allowing that "some" might be good people, his toxic attack on the people of Baltimore and Congressman Cummings, his insistence that four members of the U.S. Congress, all women of color, should shut up and go back to where they came from, even though all are American citizens. Remember that definition of racism that you yourself were using until it no longer suited your argument? Racism "is a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping".

DMoney

"is a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping". --based on ethnicity/skin color. He talks about me moving the goal line. Well all of the incidents listed are controrted to be about race when they never are. To be racist, decisions and actions need to be based on race. Ban on immigration wasn't focused on religion--was focused on troubled countries. Other Muslims from countries not on the list could come. The statement about Mexican immigrants is absolutely false, and fabricated. Go look it up. He never attacked the people of Baltimore. Not once. Oldhomey opinion is that Trump was talking about the people when he said a "rodent" infestation. Completely groundless, baseless. Bernie Sanders called Baltimore "Third world" a few years ago--he must have been referring to the black people too, right? The 4 congresswoman--this was a very stupid thing to say--but still doesn't connect them with being inferior because of their skin color. As a counter point, I'll once again make this point: Trump had a chance to justifiably kill 150 brown, Muslim people a month ago. All he had to do was say "go". He didn't do it, because he didn't want people to die. If he really was a racist, why wouldn't he have had them killed? Why resort to sneaky references of rodents as black people? It doesn't add up.


martian2

justifiably kill 150 Muslims?? What are you talking about. who determines if that would of been justifiable? Killing innocent civilians is never ok. If Trump would of given the order to "go" it could of easily escalated into a big conflict, one that could easily gone out of control. It didn't have anything to do with race, but geopolitical conflict. I am glad the people around Trump told him to back off. Why resort to black people to rodents you ask, well it adds up perfectly. He wants to pander to his racist base, people like you, but can't do it openly for fear of the repercussions. Therefor catch phrases and symbolism is used to spread the hate. And it gives people like you D a way out to try to explain his non racism. Which by the way doesn't add up.

DMoney

Now I'M racist?! So now not only do you NOT have to specifically mention skin color/ethnicity to be racist, you simply must disagree with the crowd to be racist. The definition of this word is expanding by the day.

oldhomey

The litany of racist statements and actions by Trump are not racist because he did not disclose the skin color or use the "N" word, D? It again defies the definition you yourself offered as to what racism is. The ban on immigration was based not on religion but on troubled nations whose citizens Trump wanted to exclude from emigrating to the US? The nation that has provided the most and the deadliest terrorists ever to attack America was not on that list of excluded Muslim nations -- Saudi Arabia. D'ya think, D, that Trump was playing to his core of supporters by banning Muslims from certain nations as window dressing while ignoring the worst offender of all Muslim nations? And what has Trump's policies regarding the Saudis since becoming president? Tough? Ho, ho. The statement about Mexicans being murderers and rapists,. the statement about the Mexican-American judge are on the record and on video for your viewing pleasure. False? Look it up? Ho ho. Your assertions about Bernie and the four congresswomen are equally inane, and if you insist on an explanation why, I will provide it. You put a great deal of stock in Trump's self-serving (aren't they all with him?) why he did not bomb the Iranian installations. Has it ever occurred to you, being that you claim that you are more hip to geopolitical issues than anyone else on these boards , that somebody got to Trump in the nick of time, saving him from stumbling into yet another unwanted war because of a downed drone? Trump is a master at insulting and denigrating others, an art form he spent a lifetime perfecting. If you prefer to think he is concerned about the infestation of Baltimore neighborhoods by four-footed vermin, go right ahead. But if he is that concerned, he should be laying waste to the city he has lived in all of his life, NYC, which has a far more serious problem with four-footed rats than Baltimore. That is a fact, too, but Trump doesn't work with facts, and you conveniently ignore them when it suits your purposes.

DMoney

If it's about being racist, ALL muslim countries would be banned. From a racist's perspective--why would the country matter? It's about the skin color, right? Saudi Arabian's look pretty similar to others from that region, I'm assuming. If he was racist, he would probably be MORE tough on this non-white country, would he not? Thanks for the assist on that. I just looked up his comments yesterday, and you made it up. I'll leave it for others to look up at their own leisure. Sanders referred to Baltimore as "a third-world country". He MUST have been talking about the people of that city, using your logic. Where are most of the "third world" countries located? Africa. RACIST!



The reason Trump talked about Baltimore is because an elected representative from there spends an inordinate amount of time Trump-bashing. Trump will attack you if you attack him. I'm pretty sure Cortez get's hers (NYC).

oldhomey

For somebody who professes to be a political sophisticate (and surely I am not a political sophisticate myself) you seem extraordinarily naive, D. I will respond to your 7:33pm post as clearly as I can:



One, "If it's about being racist, ALL muslim countries would be banned." No, that is not Donald Trump's game. He plays to racism by doing grandstand racist things, like selecting a handful of Muslim nations and banning them from sending migrants here to appeal to his base of voters, of which you are one. He did not include Saudi Arabia because he has too much of his own money tied up there, and he is in bed with the assassin of a crown prince that runs that country. Our relationship with the Saudis is amoral, immoral and corrupt, like the president you support. Have I assisted you in your understanding here?



Two. "I just looked up his comments yesterday, and you made it up. I'll leave it for others to look up at their own leisure." How precious of you. I don't, however, know what comments those are that you said I made up. Here is a Trump quote, and perhaps you are smug because he does not include the word murder in it: "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015. The Mexican American judge whose ruling Trump could not accept? This is the crux of what he said, in direct quotes, but he got himself even deeper into it in his June, 2016 interview, I will provide the rest if you ask me for it: "TRUMP: I'll tell you what it has to do. I've had ruling after ruling after ruling that's been bad rulings, OK? I've been treated very unfairly. Before him, we had another judge. If that judge was still there, this case would have been over two years ago. Let me just tell you, I've had horrible rulings, I've been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, OK? I'm building a wall. I am going to do very well with the Hispanics, the Mexicans . . . "



Three. "Sanders referred to Baltimore as "a third-world country". He MUST have been talking about the people of that city, using your logic. Where are most of the "third world" countries located? Africa. RACIST!" For a person who says he is the most informed person on these posts when it comes to geopolitics, you show a vast lack of knowledge, young man. You seem to overlook South America and much of Asia when considering the Third World. As for Bernie Sander's statement, he was saying Americans in those neighborhoods were living in Third World conditions, which by many measures is true, but he was not denigrating them for living in "sh*thole" places, like a certain president whom you seem to worship and defend tirelessly.



Four: Does Trump bash Rep. Cummings the congressman "spends an inordinate amount of time Trump-bashing."? Or does Cummings' criticisms of Trump cut too close to the bone for Trump's taste? You seem to admire Trump's nasty nature as an admirable presidential trait. Why?

DMoney

...what?? I've never once remotely claimed to be a political savant. I've denounced politics (both sides). I distrust and disdain politicians. I've been consistent and clear in doing so.



Trump banned Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. That leaves Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Egypt, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey, Kuwait and Lebanon unrestricted. Your point there is kaput, and then some.

DMoney

Regarding your other points, Trump was referring to "bad" Mexicans coming. "Bad Mexican" immigrants, like "bad" domestic, white citizens, contain people who take and steal. I think Bernie was really referring to the people, deep down and in secret. You can't prove he wasn't! (see how stupid that sounds?)

DMoney

*rape and steal

oldhomey

D, your effort to defend your position failed, and you do not seem to realize how stupid you sound in doing so.

capedcrusader

Scott - can't you put the reply button by each post? Why is that so hard?

oldhomey

Who is Scott? Inquiring minds want to know.

capedcrusader

Scott Rada, digital news editor.

oldhomey

Thanks. I can email him, I guess, if I get miffed at the way these boards work at times.

capedcrusader

I don't understand why they can't (or don't) make it easier to respond directly to an individual. Every other newspaper I read is much easier to respond and navigate. Of course most of them moderate the discussions ... their are several people who wouldn't be here if they did that here...

capedcrusader

About that add reply button. Why isn't it by each comment again? Why do we have to wade through all the comments to get to the one we want?

johnnybragatti

A bad American weekend. If ya"ll can"t see Trump as a racist,by now, you either lack the mentality to comprehend and really and truly have not been paying attention. In an opening speech, where Mexicans were said (by him only) to be rapist drug dealers, should have cinched it..... Mexicans paid dearly for Trump"s remark in El Paso,Texas. You may have heard about it.

capedcrusader

June 2019 issue of The Atlantic has "An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry".

Redwall

In what seems to be trend among the leftist press in this newspaper, Gerson makes outlandish accusations without a single quotation to support his foolishness.



What does it say about the press when grey-haired commentators are employed to speak so childishly about such matters?

PhysicsIsFun

Never mind that Gerson is a Republican. Talk about childish. I think you've got that RedBall.

capedcrusader

What does it say about you that you support a wheel tax?

DMoney

"Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation,” Sanders said during a visit to the city’s West Baltimore section in December 2015, the Baltimore Sun reported. “You would think that you were in a Third World country.”



This is from Bernie Sanders. Funny, I don't recall mass accusations or racism then. Can you explain that liberals?

Redwall



And add to that, that Baltimore has had almost a dozen mayors, all Dems except one, since Nancy Pelosi's father left that role in disgrace. Including Pelosis father, more than half of the mayors left that post in disgrace amid corruption, most mid-term.



Anyone visiting Baltimore comes away with the same description as Trump. Its no secret.



The people of Baltimore deserve better.


PhysicsIsFun

So you think that Republicans have the answer to the question of urban decay and poverty.? Please share with us their solutions with examples of their efficacy.

capedcrusader

You expect then to have an answer to that? Their answer for everything is to do nothing.

martian2

nothing but crickets from the far right on any solutions. Not a single try.

martian2

oh Its a new month and redwall/freehan shows his ugly face again. So tell us how often have you been to Baltimore? And your whataboutism on the Pelosi family is laughable. I am not even going to bother looking that one up. Good to know you are another fox news hound, easily gullible, easily swayed, dumb as a rock.

oldhomey

New month, Red is making one of his rare free appearances here, too cheap to pay for a subscription to the newspaper like the rest of us. And, as usual, Red sticks to the right-wing talking points he takes off of the right-wing websites that he reads instead of actual, true, vetted news and facts in the mainstream media. It explains why he is always wrong.

martian2

Duh D, any big city in America and around the world has pockets of poverty and blight.

Sanders talked about a neighborhood being impoverished not the whole city. anyone with any brains knows all cities have their wealthier neighborhoods too. so that is the difference D between Sanders and Trump. Even lacrosse has neighborhoods that are impoverished, doesn't mean the whole city is.

DMoney

THAT'S your justification? Wow. Neighborhood vs. city. If anything, according to your bizarre definition, it is MORE racist to talk about one neighborhood rather than the city. That's because that neighborhood has mostly black residents. In the whole city, there are plenty of whites. I'll be shocked if you can see the point there, but there it is. Sure is fun to watch leftists squirm when they are presented with their hypocrisy.

martian2

nobody is squirming there D, just in you head. That is right, Sanders points out the poverty and blight in a section or neighborhood, but he didn't disparage the people living there. Sanders didn't look down at the people and call them rodents, or wonder why in the world they live there. He was trying to make a point and offer solutions to the problems. He didn't criticize the whole city because the Congress man from that area happens to be black.

Sanders didn't say they should go back to where they came from, wanting them to leave this country. Why you justify the hate talk of Trump, who by the way never offers solutions, just criticizes. is beyond me. Saying the whole city is hell on earth is so ignorant and stupid, it is beyond belief anyone in public office would say that. You are dyed in the wool right winger and will always find a way to justify the corner you painted yourself into.

martian2

and again its just crickets from D and the gang. D you lose!

DMoney

If you honestly believe that Trump was referring to people when he said rodents, it's hopeless. I'm not going to waste my time with people who set their opinions on fantasies and false narratives.

martian2

well then D, How does Trump know there is rats and rodents in Baltimore. Why did he come up with that description? Did he personally see rats in that city. Did he take a tour before making that comment? And why did he call the congressman a racist?

capedcrusader

Gee DMoney, you probably wouldn't believe much of anything Buggs Raplin said then.

DMoney

Trump probably knows from reading Bernie Sander's description a few years ago, where he openly referred to Baltimore as a third world country. I'm sure he was referring to the people, as well.

oldhomey

D, Bernie Sanders, of whom I am no great fan, in 2015 was not in the midst of campaigning to impugn people of different races and religions. There is no doubt that West Baltimore is one of the most poverty-stricken urban areas in the country. He was not, however, blaming the people who lived their for their own plight (a risky observation on my part, as you, perhaps, do). He was trying to put the poverty there into context with the rest of the nation. Did our glorious president, the man whom you defend no matter what he says or does, try to put the poverty there into context? I missed that, if he did. He also had his facts wrong about the poverty in Cummings' district, which has been noted in detail elsewhere. And, speaking of poverty and crime, the most dangerous places in America according to FBI statistics are almost all in far more rural areas than big city neighborhoods. As for poverty, you don't have to go far even in La Crosse County to find run-down neighborhoods and trailer parks. Do you think the people who live in them should be roundly criticized for where they live and blamed for their own plight? I don't expect this is a satisfactory enough observation for you, but, alas, you are on the wrong side of history and the facts once again.

DMoney

Please point out where Trump blamed the people in his original post. I'll wait.



..As proven last week during a Congressional tour, the Border is clean, efficient & well run, just very crowded. Cumming District is a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous & filthy place--Donald Trump, twitter

martian2

oh you must keep a log of all his twitter posts, something you must be proud of. As you can see, the first part of the tweet is a lie, a big lie. Second it is easy to see the second part is a lie, a big lie. Using the words far and rodent could easily refer to the people there, I doubt Trump was actually talking about real rats I doubt he ever seen a rat in Baltimore, he doesn't go there. but as one said, better to have a rat than to be one.

martian2

Why didn't you post all of Trump's tweets about Baltimore there D? He called Elijah a racist without explaining, oh but that is not race baiting at all! "

If racist Elijah Cummings would focus more of his energy on helping the good people of his district, and Baltimore itself, perhaps progress could be made in fixing the mess that he has helped to create over many years of incompetent leadership. His radical “oversight” is a joke!" And why oh why D didn't you post Cumming's reply to Trump, proving that Trump is a liar. Well here it is, "

Mr. President, I go home to my district daily. Each morning, I wake up, and I go and fight for my neighbors.



It is my constitutional duty to conduct oversight of the Executive Branch. But, it is my moral duty to fight for my constituents." Its safe to say Cummings spends more time in his district than Trump does in the white house. Those golfing weekends add up.


martian2

and again its just crickets from D and the gang. stone cold silence! this winning is getting tiring. D you lose!

DMoney

Using the word rodents could "easily" refer to the people there. It could also easily refer to the rodents there.

johnnybragatti

Dbagger seems to becoming more uneducated and dense by the hour or minute. He formally bragged "bout having offspring, in daughters. He may or he may not, "cos he is a bold faced liar. Hence his worshiping attraction, to the Orange Carcass, known as trump. Dmoney knows he is, though i doubt, if he thinks he is. The whole wide World knows trump, to be a racist. trump was raised a racist by Fred trump,an AVOWED racist who was arrested, by NYPD during a march, in NYC, in 1946 The full Ku Klux Klan regallia worn by the racist father. Dmoney? same gig, different day. If he really does have daughters, are they being brought up as racist??? Pretty derned good chance.

Like trump dmoney was brought up by racist parents. That is precisely how racism is instituted. You are not born with it. it is learned behaviour. Read his comments ....he cannot change.

DMoney

Notice how you get no support? It's because you are a scum bag. Using children to attack someone. You are worse than Trump, and everyone knows it here. And that's after explaining in detail how you fantasize about another posters violent death. You are one sick, disturbed individual and a waste of oxygen. This is the last response you ever get from me. But please, keep spewing your scum. Undecided political people will be appalled by your uniquely perverted views. You'll push them center or right. So, I appreciate it.

johnnybragatti

Coming from dead beat so-called father, too funny. It"s your OWN daughters that are gonna suffer, as you bring them up in Dad"s racist shadow. I couldn"t care less if you ever commented on this site. You"d be doing a ton of folks a huge favour. Take a gander sometime, at the Trump-Humpers, who stoop so incredibly low ,as to bring their kids to trump"s Nazi rallies. Your daughters can rightfully say :"our Daddy"s a scumbag."

Any smart person would say Lacrosse County Human Services, should visit your homestead. You may be the scum of the Earth,like my Grandma used to say, but sooner than later, you will have to answer to someone.

Jobaba

Yes, whether Trump is an ignorant racist or a calculating racist may be debatable. But the fact that he is using race is undeniable. Conservatives cannot make a point on this matter. Their excuses are becoming more and more flimsy. Everyday the white supremacist movement becomes stronger and domestic supremacist terror attacks are on the rise across the country. This is a documented fact. Are we to believe that because Trump has not personally led a lynching, that he is NOT a racist?

Climatehoax

No mention of skin color, Cummings is useless, sits there, big shot, does nothing for the people except run his mouth. Trump pointed out the truth, notice , there’s no rebuttal to prove him wrong??? Just name calling .

The first step in solving a problem is admitting there is one, come on libs, step up, help those people of Baltimore. Trump just took the first step.

PhysicsIsFun

Here I changed your comment to make it a little more on the nose. Trump sits there, big shot, does nothing for the people except run his mouth.

oldhomey

Cue in D and crank, as they rush in and infer that the president they admire so much has not yet used the "N" word, so his racially charged remarks and hate-filled speech does not make him a racist.

PhysicsIsFun

Plus he has never said anything about skin color. Those two (D and Crank and don't forget ClimateDope) are extremely tiring. I am sick of their disjointed logic and blindness.

DMoney

How can someone be a racist without mentioning skin color? Using literal definition, aka, facts.

johnnybragatti

The birther movement, a five year fake ordeal, generated by the worst hate-mongered, whackjob,, so-called president, we have EVER had. If that wasn"t a racist trick, I don"t know what is. You really are beyond clueless. When God handed out brains, he skipped right over you . And you have kids that will be racist, with a so-called "father" as yourself. Racism starts in the home, no place else,numbnuts.

Climatehoax

Trump used facts, Cummings was nearly robbed the day before, argument over!

PhysicsIsFun

Golly Dmoney. You and your soulmate ClimateDope make a great point. How can somebody be racist and not mention skin color? I know ClimateDope is a racist and is dense but what is your excuse?

oldhomey

Your understanding of racism is, conveniently for you, D, skin deep.

PhysicsIsFun

Here is a definition. I see no mention of skin color. "Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. It may also include prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity, or the belief that members of different races or ethnicities should be treated differently. Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities."

PhysicsIsFun

And by the way there is no biologic difference between the races. Geneticists are unable to distinguish one race from the other based on DNA. "All human genomes are 99.5 percent identical, and although it’s true that the remaining 0.5 percent can vary in ways that correlate with geographical ancestry, these correlations do not strictly map to racial categories. If you hand a scientist your genome, she might be able to tell you something about the geographical distribution of your ancestors, but she cannot tell you what race you are. There’s simply nothing in the genome that’s an unambiguous marker of race. And yet, many scientists and doctors continue to use race as if it’s a meaningful biological category."



https://www.genome.gov/Funded-Programs-Projects/Genomic-Variation-Program

DMoney

Physics, thanks for the assist. Trump hasn't done or said anything fitting your description.

PhysicsIsFun

Dmoney you are too funny. talk about a gullible fool. You are the perfect example.

DMoney

Read my most recent post, a quote from Bernie Sanders. Is that racism?

PhysicsIsFun

I drive through blighted areas of Milwaukee quite often and wonder why it is like that. What can be done to fix it. I never (nor did Sanders) make comments or think thoughts that belittle or demean the people who struggle to live there. That's the difference Dman. See if you can figure it out. You say that you are a smart guy. It seems less and less likely that that is true based on your recent commentary. You sound like the typical know nothing right winger like Newt or RickyBoy. You're in great company. It must make you proud.

DMoney

Yeah... and neither did Trump. He demeaned the leader of the district for spending his time on political slander rather than helping to fix the issues there. That's all he did. He mentioned it was rat infested.... Are you suggesting black people invite rats? Because that would be bonafide racism. I can sense your frustration on this subject. It's because you've got nothing to refute facts as usual. So you resort to insults and mockery. Very cliche and very telling.

oldhomey

D, Trump is the leader of the country, the man who should be looking out for the welfare of all Americans. Instead he wonders aloud how anybody could live in such poverty, rather than, as president, at least make a gesture that we should be trying to lift up the lives of all Americans. Instead, too, he makes ambivalent statements as to these areas of black poverty are "infested" by vermin and rats, which, given his history of hate speech and openly courting white nationalists, could easily be interpreted as the people there, not four-footed pests. He has terrorized the Republican Party to his will, but seven of the GOP moderates serving in the House announced they are retiring because of his racist diatribes, and others who are still in Congress called him on his racism this week, too. Am I and more than half the country imagining things? I don't think so. Am I and more than half of the country wrong? Is Trump actually the least racist person in the world? Would you bet on it? If I and more than half of America are wrong, and he is not racist, perhaps he could say something in his tweets to signal that beyond his empty boasts while he continues to build the case of his racism pretty much weekly.

oldhomey

By the way, D, here is a fairly good definition of what comprises racism: racism "is a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping". That pretty much defines the statements Trump has been tweeting about people of color and different religions. Or does he have to mention a person's skin color to convince you?

DMoney

According to the New York post: "About half of registered voters believe President Trump is racist, according to a new national poll released Tuesday, which showed voters are sharply divided along partisan lines on the question.". That's half the population, of which at least half of the sample are liberals. Your point is debunked, and easily.



Let me know where exactly in Trump tweet that he targeted the residents of Baltimore. You are fantasizing about him referring to the residents as rats. That's completely groundless, and you know it. You are borderline trolling with this, and you know that too.

oldhomey

D, when this column first appeared, I predicted (and somewhere in this string you will find that prediction) that you would rush to Trump's defense on the grounds that he did not use the "N" word or mention the skin color of the people he was talking about. That is no defense for racist, hate-filled sort of language that Trump has been using. And you know it, because you actually offered a fairly good definition of what comprises racism,. But in your case you prefer situational ethics for your arguments, which are not ethics at all.

DMoney

You cant change the meaning of words to satisfy your needs and wants. Trump didnt use racist terms, and you have said that you belive it was racist because you believe hes referring to black people when hes referring to rats. Thats your basis for your claim--secret, hidden meanings.

capedcrusader

DMoney : June 2019 issue of The Atlantic has "An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry".

capedcrusader

You really have to ask that? I thought you were smarter than that. I guess I'm wrong. You have been given the definition. And you STILL have to ask that?

oldhomey

Exactly, D. You can't change the meaning of words. but, as you are doing in this argument, when you can't reach the goalpost, you can try to move the goalpost closer to you by changing the the rules and standards that you originally laid out, making it easier to score a point. You failed, You can't change Donald Trump's words or behavior, which has been consistent and consistently racist since long before he even decided to run for president. It the last few weeks his public statements, particularly his tweets, have been a litany of "discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping". I know it offends you because he has not had the decency to use the "N" word or made reference to skin color. You can take comfort, however, in his past performances, like refusing to rent his New York apartments to black people, his insistence that Barrack Obama was born in Kenya, his attempts to ban people of certain religions from entry into the U.S., his declaration of a U.S.-born judge presiding over a trial involving Trump could not render a fair decision because his heritage was Mexican, his declarations that Mexican immigrants were rapists and murderers while allowing that "some" might be good people, his toxic attack on the people of Baltimore and Congressman Cummings, his insistence that four members of the U.S. Congress, all women of color, should shut up and go back to where they came from, even though all are American citizens. Remember that definition of racism that you yourself were using until it no longer suited your argument? Racism "is a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping".

capedcrusader

Your turn to respond DMoney to oldhomey below. You kind of painted yourself into a corner. I want to see if you can get out!

new2Lax

I think it was a big Democrat support was not afraid to use the n word, wasn’t it Bill Maher and Robert Byrd come to mind. I guess Biden made the claim, Obama was a clean articulate guy, many examples of the left using the n word, almost every rapper in the country does and we know where their support is. Trump tells it like it is, the difference being you can’t stand the truth.

PhysicsIsFun

Robert Byrd was in the KKK in the early 40s. He was a young man in the south and felt honored to be recognized by his elders. He later called it the greatest mistake of his life and tried to make amends. Bill Maher used the term in a comedic way. He was called on the carpet by many African American friends and was humiliated and apologized publicly. Rappers and other people of African descent are free to use the term. It is self deprecating and familiar. It is like if you call yourself and idiot it is OK, but when I do it it is an insult. Meanwhile our President just keeps doubling down on his behavior as he sees it as a winning strategy to get votes from idiots like you. Shame on him, and shame on you.

martian2

no use physics, newt is brain dead and will never understand unless its on fox. whataboutisms is all he knows, and those are copied from right wing wacko sites.

johnnybragatti

Simply because Elaxtoonude never was a success, nor ever made it very far in life, he blames Obama and the Dems and Libtards. Trump never does anything wrong, right? he never lies> He does ,however, blame everyone else and that is precisely why Exlax ,deebag ,and the crank have their wet dreams for the Orange Carcass. Is it a fact of nature??? It has got to be.

DMoney

He's not yet made any literal reference to racial inferiority. You can't prove otherwise. I've got the dictionary on my side.

PhysicsIsFun

Ah yes a dictionary is such a deep and scholarly work. I guess if you are poorly educated you feel like dictionaries are some sort of evidence of your profound understanding of a subject. Look up facile while you are perusing the dictionary. It describes your argument perfectly.

DMoney

A dictionary may be THE deepest and most scholarly work. If things so not have a definition, they are not real. That goes for anything. Leave it to you to knock the value of a dictionary. What's next, are you going to rally against written communication? Math?

PhysicsIsFun

Trump is not a racist. He just plays one on TV.

martian2

Hard to argue with what Gerson has written. But rest assured Trump's minions will come to his defense with the arguments of technicality he is not saying racist things, or the economy is doing so good, or a what about Hillary.....? Opening the wounds of racism can only lead to more division and evil in this country, and Trump knows it. He is counting on it, he is depending on it for reelection. And the brain dead will follow him and vote for him in lock step like good little fascists. Have we no decency? We know Trump has none.

new2Lax

That’s why I always ask myself, what must these Democrats been thinking when creating the Klan, anyone in their right mind should have known, a group created to persecute black folk is not a good thing and would come back to haunt them. The Klan is still with us and I’m sure or maybe not, they would have a different opinion. Then you got the Democrats not supporting the civil rights movement in the 60’s. Trying to have republicans now share their burden is just no5 flying. You created it, own it. Don’t do the Homey thing, don’t disguise how you feel to get what you want be honest.

PhysicsIsFun

The clan is filled with racist Republicans now. I have explained this to you several times. Are you naturally stupid or is it something you work at? For a top flight HR man you sure lack communication skills. Take a remedial English class and learn how to write a sentence. You and RickyBoy are the two thickest individuals I have ever observed. The Republican Party has the most uneducated people. Trump was right. He likes the uneducated.

oldhomey

I think the incomparable new2 is a natural, Physics.

martian2

more whataboutisms from newt. Yes its tiring and repetitive but its all he's got. blaming the klan on democrats while Trump openly panders to them. Only a nut case like newt would come up with such stupidity.

DMoney

Here you go again. On one hand, you accuse people of being racist, which is a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping. In the SAME paragraph, you directly stereotype and discriminate against a mass group of people whom you don't know. Behold, neutral readers, the suffocating hypocrisy.

martian2

so who am I discriminating against D? I am merely pointing out the twisted logic of newt, which is the same old whataboutisms and falsehoods he often posts repeatedly. And I extend that criticism to all the far right wingers like newt. No I don't know much about every fanatical far right winger, but I do know their politics. And I will continue to offer my critique on why they are wrong to think the way they do. That is not stereotyping anyone because of race or religion or ethnicity, but on their political beliefs. Which I believe are fair game and should be brought out into the open.

DMoney

Not you, Physics.

PhysicsIsFun

So tell us Dmoney is the D in your name short for Dumb? Because you sure are making some stupid points lately. You sound more and more like the brain dead right wingers on here everyday. Maybe you can call a meeting with Newt, RickyBoy, RedBall, and ClimateDope. It should be a good time. You can talk about how great Trump is and how socialists are out to ruin the country. Have fun, but don't bring up skin color. You don't want to be racist.

oldhomey

Speaking of hypocrisy, D, a certain poster on this same string asked the question of how somebody can be racist is he does not mentions skin color. That same poster, you, D, more correctly tells us in your 1:11am post that racism "is a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping", which does not bring up the subject of skin color. I am not sure what the formal definition of hypocrisy is, but it has something to do with talking out of both sides of your mouth, which is what you are doing here.

oldhomey

I seem to bollix up half of my comments with typos lately. It would be easier to blame the auto-correct for them, but it is probably me. Anyway, I want D to respond to this, so I will repeat it in its corrected form:



Speaking of hypocrisy, D, a certain poster on this same string asked the question of how somebody can be racist if he does not mention skin color. That same poster, you, D, more correctly tell us in your 1:11am post that racism "is a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping", which does not bring up the subject of skin color. I am not sure what the formal definition of hypocrisy is, but it has something to do with talking out of both sides of your mouth, which is what you are doing here.

DMoney

According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, racism is "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"



I want someone to state something factual that Trump has done that meets this definition. Good luck.

martian2

here we go again, Just the facts, raw data that all I want, says D. Meanwhile any data presented is ignored, twisted around , justified, normalized. D plays this game a-on a weekly basis. No one is game any more, everyone is on to you.

DMoney

Martian failed--anyone else?


martian2

you never responded to my 7:14 post there D. How come, no come back. did I straighten you out on what is discrimination and what is not. did I expose your hypocrisy?

oldhomey

This is situational ethics at work. D posits a pretty good definition of racism, "a form of discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping". Then it blows up in his face because Trump, whom he is trying to defend with that definition, by that definition shows he is racist. So D rustles around and thinks he finds another, friendlier definition that will get him off the hook. It didn't.

DMoney

Oldhomey failed--anyone else?

oldhomey

Gosh. I have failed all my life, according to Ricky, and now D calls me a failure again. I am devastated.

capedcrusader

Oldhomey, I wouldn't worry too much. He claimed you failed but from what I read he didn't really get himself out of that corner he painted himself into... I still think we know who failed...

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