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When it comes to Donald Trump, it is increasingly difficult to distinguish between a political strategy and a nervous breakdown.

His tweeted trash talk, his meandering stream of consciousness press availabilities and his shameless embrace of sleaziness are not the signs of a healthy mind. Trump’s followers may eventually look up to find they were actors in someone else’s delusion.

But Trump’s recent self-defenses at least clarify his ambitions as an ethicist.

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Concerning the Ukraine scandal, the president is not seeking forgiveness for a failure in judgment, or even trying to change the subject.

He boldly asks Americans to accept that his actions — pressuring a foreign power to investigate a domestic political rival — were good and proper. “I don’t care about [Joe] Biden’s campaign,” Trump insists, “but I do care about corruption.” And there was “tremendous corruption with Biden.”

Trump is effectively setting a new standard of political morality and requiring his supporters to defend it.

He is asking elected Republicans in particular to agree with his claim that a practice uniformly viewed as corruption in the past is actually an example of fighting corruption.

That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot, cold. To call black, white. To call wrong, right.

Philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre’s idea of “incommensurability” strikes me as relevant here. If all moral claims are merely “emotive” — statements about ourselves rather than the nature of reality — then there is no way to argue between them.

The statement that “stealing is wrong” can be debated. The statement “I feel that stealing is wrong” is not subject to rational dispute. Someone else could simply assert, “I feel that stealing is right,” and the argument would be at a stalemate.

Trump is the emotivist par excellence. He holds no objective, abstract beliefs about the meaning of justice or duty. He approves of things that help him and disapproves of things that hurt him. There is no other moral grounding. Yet he makes his assertions with utter confidence.

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The president currently claims that asking a dependent government to dig up dirt on a political rival is a good thing — even when it involves the implication of extortion. He makes no argument about why the traditional definition of corruption has changed. He feels no need. The shift is in his interest. And that is enough to require the assent of his followers.

Elected Republicans, as a result, are looking mighty uncomfortable. Mouthing the words that Trump wants from them — saying that corruption is really anti-corruption — would mean sounding like a fool and surrendering what remains of their political honor.

Some, like Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, have lamely claimed that Trump was really making a joke. Because, you know, presidential corruption is normally such a laugh riot. But Trump has insisted on his own seriousness. Rubio and the rest must swallow the gelatinous pile of offal Trump gives them — all of it — or they are no longer in the club.

Republicans are being called to follow their leader down a relativist rabbit hole.

Trump is not only asking them to accept his arguments on policy matters like building a wall or provoking a trade war. To be loyal foot soldiers, they must affirm that morality means what Trump says it means — even when it violates their clearest instincts.

They know, deep down, that if a Democratic president had asked France or China for help in destroying a prominent Republican rival, they would be in a fever pitch of outrage.

But, in the Trump era, this isn’t supposed to matter anymore. Consistency means nothing. Principle means nothing. Character means nothing. It only matters who wins.

Many Republicans would dearly like to say: What Trump did is wrong but it doesn’t rise to an impeachable offense. There are two problems with this approach.

First, Trump will not regard this as evidence of sufficient loyalty. He demands full approval. And second, I imagine that most of the founders would regard Trump’s act — inviting a foreign country to influence an American election — as the definition of an impeachable offense.

If their intent means anything, it means Trump is seriously corrupt.

So we are left with positions that can’t be reconciled. Trump honestly seems to have no moral objection to what he did. His opponents are left sputtering: But this has always been seen as serious corruption!

The president simply doesn’t care. And, if his GOP supporters remain loyal, they will be further implicated in the moral decay of American politics.

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martian2

Anyone bother to see clips of Trump's rally last night in the twin cities? If you did you would of seen a man becoming unhinged full of hate and attacking his opponents using language we would never allow our children to use. Obviously Trump is scared, pandering to his base without an ounce of dignity for the highest office. How anyone can accept this is beyond me. Just because a lot of people have come to accept this type of behavior doesn't make it right. It is appalling and definitely has dragged American politics to a new low. Something you Trump lovers can be proud of. Trump is the very definition of a fascist.

new2Lax

The people you are referring to are the loons on the left. Violence was all from the left, these people with their masks and revolting signs were a disgrace. Most were young ANTIFA types who are paid thugs, damaging property, that’s what I saw. These folks are the trash of society and many were arrested, the arrest were all left wing loons. You never see right wing protestors wearing masks and in fact they usually cleanup after the protest. That’s just a fact. Trying to pretend these thugs are anything but is ludicrous. Did anyone read the signs, unbelievable, these folks should be in an asylum not on the street. Law enforcement did a fine job and it looks like they support the Trumpster. Super rally but they are going to have to build much larger facilities to accommodate Trump supporters. It was amazing to say the least. Glad you tuned in.

martian2

as usual newt you didn't see any of the rally, just some clips from the right wing fake news department. We know you can't deal in reality so your delusions are all you have left.

martian2

I love comparisons, and when comparing Trump to a jack o lantern there are many. Both are orange on the outside, and both are hollow on the inside, and come november you throw them out! Perfect![thumbup][beam]

johnnybragatti

The Orange Carcass Syph Symptoms are obviously entering late stages, along with other various STDs' and STIs. The down-slide of "getting" a lot of women or 13 year olds?

Ain"t no doubt about it, as trump"s Viet Nam Tour Service, kinda backfires ,finally.

johnnybragatti

Things are certainly taking a down-slide for the Coitus Interruptus "chief'. Certainly the down-slide for a so-called president,in an absolute power-wannabee, duly rigged fake ,Russian influenced. Facebook,Twitter tinged election. Hillary R. Clinton ?....looking pretty ef____ good right about now.

Jobaba

What we read with our own eyes is not what is happening. Certainly it must upset conservatives to be tarred with Trump's amoral behavior. But there it is. However, just as certainly there is a way to avoid it, and that is to stop with these niggling excuses and fanciful distortions in defense of a man that doesn't deserve it. I have seen conservatives write paragraphs to explain away rude, offensive, and even criminal behavior. Just stop. Just because you bought into Trump's world of lies and deceit does not mean that anyone else has to in order to make your guilt go away. Stop explaining for Trump.

new2Lax

I feeł the same way about you buying into the Democrats who used the FBI, DOJ, CIA and State Department to over throw a duly elected President. You have seen or heard of the leadership being charged for lying under oath, tapes and texts that clearly show the attempts at nothing short of a coup. An insurance policy to take down Trump, should he be elected. How do you explain this be

Cassandra2

Which duly elected president has been overthrown, Newt? I'll remind you that the FBI, DOJ, CIA and the State Department are all under the control of the Executive Branch. But continue to spin your paranoid fantasies and show off your ignorance.

Rick Czeczok

And Obama used all of them for his dirty dealings.

oldhomey

Yes, Ricky, lest we forget, the Obama administration was torn apart by his repeated lying to the public, his undermining of the entire federal bureaucracy with his lies about the Deep State conspiracies against him, with his duplicity in public with the nation's most dangerous enemies, with his insulting behavior toward America's closest military, diplomatic and trade alliances, with his refusal to put his business interests into a blind trust, with his openly courting foreign powers to try to cozy up to him by encouraging them to stay in his hotels, by his own propensity to take his very large presidential entourage to his own hotel and resort properties for extraordinarily frequent long weekends -- with taxpayers paying for the bills run up in his properties --, with his open betrayal to allies who fought and died alongside our own troops and now rely on the umbrella of American of protection, like the Kurds and the Afghans, with . . . . well, you get the picture. That Obama! Snort! What a jerk!

new2Lax

Russia collusion and obstruct claims were a bust and this Ukraine phone call with the President of Ukraine, the recipient of the call spent 9 hours with reporters saying their was no quid pro quo or blackmail intent from Trump. now you have the tow people involved in the call and both say there was no suggestion of malicious intent but here you have Democrats saying they know what was meant by the conversation and think the grounds for impeachment and removal of a President should proceed. Trump asking for information on something that is clearly fishy with the Biden’s and what transpired with Burisma is legitimate, this investigation was started in to Hunter Biden way before the phone call and the fact Biden happens to be running for President is just a tough break for him. HillaryClinton advised Biden to run so as to protect him from being investigated, this is not right but if she was elected there would be no investigation at all.

oldhomey

The Mueller report laid out incredible evidence of the appearance of Trump directly asking Russia for help in his campaign, but Mueller concluded it did not find the smoking gun because it could not interview the president himself. That done, Trump has very publicly asked three other countries to help him in his 2020 campaign, Ukraine, China and Australia. Are there others? Why should we not assume there are more? He cemented the collusion himself. That is why this impeachment investigation is under way. Duh. Now he is openly and publicly doing all that he can do to squelch this investigation, which is also an impeachable offense. Duh.

DMoney

"The president currently claims that asking a dependent government to dig up dirt on a political rival is a good thing "



One little problem: he didn't do that! He didn't convey or imply that his motives were political. It can't be logically stated from a third party that his motives are political (did Biden win the nomination?). This is conjecture. This is perverting what actually occured for the purpose of political slander in an oft-stated attempt to be the "resistance". The Democrats showed their hand early and often and this is the latest attempt at insurgency against this leader who was fairly elected over the "most qualified candidate in history". Open your eyes.

martian2

it wasn't democrats who are showing their hand early, It is Trump showing his hand and he got caught. If you look at all the evidence so far, which D never does, it is plain to see by preponderance of the evidence that the Ukraine fiasco needs to be investigated thoroughly. and congress, according to the constitution, has that right to investigate, and the white house by law has to cooperate. The conjecture is Trump motives are not political, then why didn't he ask for help investigating others who are not potential rivals to him. Of course it was political, it was quid pro quo, it was against the law and we shall see what other scandals of Trump was a part of in the coming weeks. Conjecture D calls it, I hardly think so. Blind loyalists don't like the taste of their dear leader not being above the law, he actually has limits to his authority and it drives them crazy.

new2Lax

The investigation into Hillary Clinton and paying for the Russian created dossier was the first attempt at using a foreign country to dig up dirt, they were the first to be caught, you even got that wrong.

oldhomey

I had not realized the "dossier" was Russian-created, new2. I feel foolish and guilty in asking somebody so well-informed as you, but could you give us the credible details supporting this statement? Remember. The key word is "credible".

DMoney

Investigate it, thoroughly. By all means. Let's hope (for your sake) such "deep" investigation results in more damning of a result than the Russian collusion hoax. Because that fell hard on it's face and wasted millions of our tax dollars, time, and energy. I read the "whistleblower" testimony--its pathetic hearsay influenced by partisian activism. Fourth hand, opinionated speculation. But investigate away. At the end of the day, it's a President of the US requesting inquiry into potential corruption that is completely valid and worthy of said time and effort. Nothing was withheld as a direct result. The Ukrainian president didn't feel pressured, they received their aid. Standard operating procedure.

oldhomey

D, Mueller said he could not directly link all the contact between the Trump camp and the Russians to direct collusion. Now Trump has openly and very publicly tried to collude with Ukraine, China and Australia to interfere with our election, which certainly would seem to cement that is exactly what he was doing with Russia. How much investigation do you need when he gets on television and does it in front of God, country and all the world to see and marvel? Or am I too naive to think so?

DMoney

Biden isn't the Democrat nominee. He's one in a large field of candidates. Are you telling me that in order to completely avoid scrutiny of past actions, all someone needs to do is run for president? Biden was the VP for 8 years, involved in many international dealings. His becoming a presidential candidate doesnt erase history.

oldhomey

D, if Trump is so certain that Biden and/or his son were engaged in activities that were inimical to the interests of the nation, he should ask the FBI, the CIA, the NSA or whatever appropriate U.S. investigative unit should be called in to look at it. He should not be directing foreign governments to investigate, offering rewards to them in doing so, and using his own, private attorney, a person who is not sworn to uphold and protect the nation, to act as his agent and negotiator without oversight of the State Department. But, you being the savviest observer of geopolitics on these boards I guess already know that what Trump is doing is standard operating procedure, at least in your own, Trump-fevered mind.

PhysicsIsFun

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Rick Czeczok

Is that a physics law from your fake so called teaching years. You sir need to start telling the truth and prove it, Otherwise you're just another wakko out there, living in a pretend world, to push your socialist (communist party) ways.

PhysicsIsFun

Ricky, Ricky, Ricky. So nice to have you back with your name calling and slander. Why again is it that I have to prove my veracity to you.? You the dumbest most useless lobotomy victim on here. Get a life other than your feeble attempts to bully people. I would love to meet you and see just what a pathetic excuse for a human being you are. What other reason could there be for your idiotic behavior.

capedcrusader

Speaking of "so called teaching years", tell us about yours. Phony.

oldhomey

"It can't be logically stated from a third party that his motives are political". My, D, that is a remarkable new rule that I was not aware of. I guess that just about sews this up for Trump. How could we have been so crass as to think so badly of him?

Jobaba

Stormy? Stormy? I can't hear you over all the conservatives desperate to make a point but blathering about anything but this editorial.

martian2



Remember during the Benghazi hearings when Obama refused to cooperate with congress and with held information and refused to let Hillary testify. Of course you don't. We didn't have a man baby in the white house and back then, like now, no one was above the law. Hillary testified for 11 straight hours and the truth was revealed. What is Trump trying to hide?

Climatehoax

The moral decay of politics.?? Liberals are responsible for the moral decay of the whole frikin country, abortion, soft on law breakers, hateful, putting illegal law breakers ahead of the hard working tax payers of our country, expecting taxpayers to pay for college, post college education, medical bills, Medicare for illegals, you name it, if a liberal says it, it’s bad for our country and workers.

How come we’re often threatened with SS and Medicare running out of money, two programs to benefit the people who paid for them.

BUT, welfare, foreign aid, subsidies, programs for the non supporters, the wagon riders, NEVER RUNS OUT OF MONEY????

oldhomey

Climate, I look to your comments every day on these boards as a measure of the decay of our society. You are like a human pap test that exhibits what we can expect our citizenry to become if we allow the rot to continue.

capedcrusader

"Climatehoax" doesn't know what a liberal is.

Rick Czeczok

And you don't count, bye-bye now....

oldhomey

caped, I am SO sorry that you ran up against the iron-trap mind of Ricky. He really, really took you apart with his absolutely stunning 12:49pm post, filled, as ricky always does, with such perfect reasoning and an elegant exposition of the facts. The man is a wonder.

capedcrusader

oldhomey - I'm still waiting for Czeczok to tell us about his so called teaching years...

oldhomey

Is that why I find him a man of wonder, wondering about what he taught, where he taught, where are his former students who should be on here defending him?

Cassandra2

Hoaxer, the folks that are threatening SS and Medicare are the republicans in Congress. That's a FACT which you cannot seem to grasp.

johnnybragatti

Trump-Humpers have got to know :"if it"s everything "s a witch-hunt , there won"t be any witch-hunts , eve. Then where they going to stoop.? All these bottom feeders that the Orange Carcass attracts obviously don"t know any better. They all talk like Ghoulianee and make as much sense. A certainly decrepit state the dotards have bottomed to.

PhysicsIsFun

This says it all, "They know, deep down, that if a Democratic president had asked France or China for help in destroying a prominent Republican rival, they would be in a fever pitch of outrage. But, in the Trump era, this isn’t supposed to matter anymore. Consistency means nothing. Principle means nothing. Character means nothing. It only matters who wins." The Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy.

new2Lax

Sounds like you missed the Steele dossier Andrew.. where the information came from and who paid for it, no matter, you will soon find out soon enough. The Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton used Ukraine extensively ,that’s really not a secret. But it is covered as much as Biden’s quid pro quo. I believe all this information such as FISA Court abuse, Clinton’s involvement with that and the Democrats involvement with Ukraine. I suppose the FBI, DOJ, CIA firings, suspensions and demotions mean nothing , these people have been charged and disciplined already and Trump has been convicted of nothing and you only see what are merely allegations against the Trumpster. It isn’t the Republicans and their supporters who got fired, suspended or disciplined, it was Obama’s leadership in these departments and we have so much more coming. So that being said looks like you and yours are the only ones guilty of criminal conspiracy. There seems to be something you have missed here, have you not been following these people being charged. I see no reason to excuse your ignorance because where you get your news does not report these things and no because of me, your now in the know. All these folks got fired or demoted, Jim Comey, fired, Andrew McCabe fired, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr DOJ demoted, Nellie Ohr, James Baker. These folks are just the beginning of the folks charged. After all these acts, we make our decisions on Trump with mere allegations. It would be completely different if there was charges and convictions but the only ones charged and convicted are the folks you seem not to be aware of. You should look some of these things up and come back and let me know how you are so unaware of these things. You do know that there are four investigations going on as we speak and you make assertions without knowing the result. What happens if Democrats and their leadership did what everyone knows they did and it comes out. My guess would be, it would make absolutely no difference to you, that’s kind of why you can’t fix stupid.

oldhomey

Good Lord, new2! When will you give it a rest? You have been promising all these revelations and charges are just over the horizon several horizons back. When there is no there there, there is no place to stop and look around. You are in a desert seeing mirages. The allegations against these people have all come up short. We need now to see what is behind the allegations against Trump. God help us find the truth to this so that we can put it to rest and the nation can move on. If he obstructs, it is going to be perhaps the most painful time in our history since the Civil War. Do you want to be a party to that?

Jobaba

Did new2 say something? There was too much garbled background noise about something or other for me to catch it.

new2Lax

You apparently are unaware, again, of what transpired with Comey, McCabe, Page, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr. They were all fired, suspended, demoted and that’s coming up short. I’m now not really sure if you know that there are four pending investigations going on, you should no but I don’t think you do, so what would be the point in commenting any further, you must be living under a rock. I’m sure if I told you NBC and Hillary Clinton tried covering up the Harvey Weinstein mess, this according to Roan Farrow, he was employed by NBC and had go else where to get the story out. Just think how lucky we are not knowing that and she was elected. I wouldn’t be too concerned about the Trumpster. With the likes of Hillary, Weinstein and Smollett, Biden’s in your party, I think we know who we have to watch out for here. Trump looks like a saint.

oldhomey

Ah, yes, new2. I understand Cardinal Burke is laying the groundwork to have Trump declared a saint as soon as possible, while he is still president, preferably. While he is not a Roman Catholic, he is the perfect model of Christian faith, rectitude and deep spirituality of the sort preferred by right wing evangelicals these days. They certainly know the kind of person on whom we should pray that our children and grandchildren will emulate. Pass the hat and everybody send ten percent of your income to them and another ten percent to Saint Donald to help him continue his good works for all humanity. Perhaps he will use it to set up banks to loan people money for the express purpose of staying in Trump hotel properties.

DMoney

You should try doing some "counter-intelligence" on this topic. Research the points made with even a skeptical mind. Please. But do the honest research. I am confident, deep down, you'll be disturbed by what you find. At least, if you are the reasonable person that I believe you are (deep down).

capedcrusader

Kind of reminds me of Snow Cougar.

capedcrusader

Hey new2Lax - I suppose you think Wayne LaPierre should sit at the right hand of god too?

oldhomey

new2, did you read D's heartfelt message to you at 11:05pm? It is the sort of lesson you need to learn. D, like you, tries to defend Trump all the time, but here he seems to be acknowledging that you cannot do honest research of the issues our nation faces by reading and watching the likes of Fox News and Breitbart, your go-to sources of bad and faulty information.



I concur with him on that, but I disagree with him, as I do not think that your deep down are a reasonable person. Straighten up and fly right, old man. Try to research sources that are reputable and honest. No one source is right all of the time, but the good ones are quick to admit when they have published wrong or bad information. The right-wing sources relied upon by right-wing Trump camp followers such as yourself have never, so far as I can determine, ever corrected themselves when they were caught distributing bad information, and certainly not when they have been lying.

DMoney

Oldhomey, that's obviously directed to you, but thanks for wasting my time on clarifying something you already knew. How mature of you. Another microexample of resistance at every level, I suppose.

oldhomey

Perhaps, D, you could point out what I mis-stated. Was it my silly insistence on relying on well researched, vetted information to form opinions? Does that go against your grain?

oldhomey

My Mexican resort home, D? Now you have me in a panic! I have not been to be Mexico since 1975, I believe. Did I buy a resort home there then and somehow have forgotten it? I wonder if it is still in livable shape. My wife is mad because I show no inclination anymore for far-flung travels. If she finds out that I have this resort home and have had it since before I met her, there is going to be hell to pay in my household. I should thank you, I guess, D. You are SO knowledgeable, you introduce "facts" here that I simply am unaware of. I will pay far closer attention to your posts from now on.

crank

It would seem old fussy may have confused his puppet accounts. Are you PhysicsIsFun or just answering for him, oldhomey? DMoney was clearly addressing Physics when he referred to a home in Mexico. Maybe you’re him?

oldhomey

So, crank, it was clear to you that your protector on these boards, D, was referencing Physics in his comment about a Mexican resort home? You must be paying much closer attention to these exchanges than most anybody else. Perhaps you could provide the direct connection that you saw here. You seem to still be sore that you were caught using more than one account on these boards. I didn't care in the first place if you did or did not, but I thought it was only fair to point out that you were doing it as a suggestion of your deviousness. You have since proved to be far more unethical than that little faux pas. I can provide the evidence for that in your own words, if you wish.

oldhomey

Just to clear up my confusion that you say I have about D's reference to a Mexican resort home -- mine or Physics' -- I will bring this to your attention:



DMoney Oct 9, 2019 11:07pm



Same to you as for Oldhomey. Don't take Newt's, mine, or Fox news' word for it. Dust off that analytical hat you have in storage at your Mexican resort home and do some digging. You'll at least feel uneasy, if you are honest with yourself.

PhysicsIsFun

Sure Newt. Just keep babbling the same incoherent garbage you hear on Fox News. That's really worked for you so far. You appear to be the main man in the Fox Nation La Crosse Chapter. You and the other old fools should get together for a meet and greet and the Senior Citizens' center. You can reminisce about how much better life was in the 50s.

new2Lax

Thank god we got THE Trumpster. Thanks for educating yourself on all the garbled garbage, where else could you get clued in. Read the latest on NBC and Hillary trying to cover up the Weinstein mess, Roan farrow can clue you in, that’s your support for women for you.

DMoney

Same to you as for Oldhomey. Don't take Newt's, mine, or Fox news' word for it. Dust off that analytical hat you have in storage at your Mexican resort home and do some digging. You'll at least feel uneasy, if you are honest with yourself.

Rick Czeczok

Why not tell us where your from as you pretend to be from the LaCrosse area. But we both know you are not.

PhysicsIsFun

Apparently Newt is just learning English or he was dropped on his head at a young age. I swear I have never read such a load or cr@p.

PhysicsIsFun

By the way my name is not Andrew.

martian2

more whataboutisms from fox nut newt. Give it a rest. Your ramblings are becoming nothing more than a space to zip past without reading. Blind ignorance is one thing, stupidity is something you just can't fix.

capedcrusader

You got that right!

Jobaba

Occasionally we get an editorial that cuts right through the clutter. This is one of them. Piggy-backing off this editorial is the concern of the everyday citizen. We all have our morals and ethics, so where does the average American stand?

Polls are showing a rapid increase in support of an impeachment. Why? Certainly not because of basic propaganda thrown about, but more likely because of gut instinct.

We protect ourselves with that instinct, and when Democrats read the treasonous transcript they said "Whoa, this isn't good!" And when Republicans read the treasonous transcript they said "Whoa, this isn't good!" , both for different reasons.

Following moralistic instinct, Democrats demanded action. In a break with ethical behavior the Republicans devolved into a convoluted bucket of excuses and denial...which only means they take their constituents to be fools.

The Republicans did use gut instinct for basic survival of their political positions. Unfortunately for them, most Americans still feel sure of their instincts, meaning if it walks like a duck...

It is long overdue that the conservatives take a long look in the mirror. Some facts can't be talked away. And while Americans can be fickle and shallow and occasionally appear politically brainless, certain things still matter. And those things are allowing Americans to clearly see through the clutter.

PhysicsIsFun

Republicans can rationalize any abhorrent behavior if it is them doing it, but Obama better not wear a tan suit. That is just morally unacceptable. For proof just read any comment on here by Dmoney, NewtLax, ClimateDope et. al.

Kronosaurus

But Obama saluted a soldier with a coffee in his hand. What's next, will Democrats stop wearing flag pins on their lapels? Gotta get foreign governments involved to ensure that Democrats are sufficiently patriotic.

DMoney

What in the Sam hell are you referring to?

oldhomey

It is referring, D, to the fact that all human beings show up with an occasional wart or imperfection, but Trump arrives with noxious, open, running sores that are seeping dangerously into the general population. It is referring to the fact that you and others on here will call attention to a minor or even non-existent warts on Democrats (the great Obama tan suit scandal) and conflate it with the sins of Donald Trump, whose horrible and horribly dangerous mis-steps and illegal activities you continually defend, ignore or excuse. At least that is what I think the Sam hell is that Physics and Krono are talking about, though your good friend and mine, crank, has often counseled me to not speak for others. Mea culpa.

DMoney

I haven't the faintest idea of the "tan suit scandal". That sounds made up. I voted for Obama once. How about looking in the mirror at your own prejudice before deciding who fits into what label. Take your buddy Ellen's advice (who is getting absolutely blistered by the left, by the way). The only criticism I have publicly made of Obama is for the rainbow light show stunt on the white house. Publicly rubbing the noses of millions of Americans who signed his paycheck is the acceptance of homosexuality. Yeah, that was extremely presidential of him.

capedcrusader

DMoney - you voted for Obama once and then decided he was too much like Hillary right?

martian2

yea that rainbow light show was way too far D. How dare he encourage acceptance of all citizens as equals. How dare he stand up for the civil rights of gays. How dare he stand up for justice and equality! How dare Obama stand up to the bigots and the haters of society! Unlike Trump who embraces bigots and hate, Obama tried to fight it. How dare he!!! Bet you were peed off at Johnson for passing the civil rights bill too. Gawd almighty are you ever a backward know nothing.

oldhomey

I know, D, that among those who participate in these opinion forums on this newspaper you are probably the most serious (to your mind) student of history and on top of current events like no other. So to bring you up to speed on the tan suit scandal:



"Ronald Reagan wore tan suits during his presidency. So did Dwight D. Eisenhower, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.



"But on Aug. 28, 2014, when President Barack Obama showed up for a White House news conference dressed in beige, the light-colored suit became a matter of national import. Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) fumed that the suit pointed to a “lack of seriousness” on the president’s part, cable news shows held roundtable discussions, fashion critics and image consultants weighed in, and TV news reporters conducted man-on-the-street interviews to find out what the people of Northeast Ohio thought of the controversial look."



I am not always aware of my own prejudices (who really is?), but I try to question my feelings about things when I realize I may be reacting to something with a prejudicial preconception. I am not always good at that. But I can tell you one thing that is stupefyingly prejudicial, and that is somebody who calls out a president of the United States for showing his or her solidarity with the rights of gay Americans, claiming such support is "publicly rubbing the noses of millions of Americans who signed his paycheck" because this rather confused human being feels there should be no acceptance of homosexuality. Yes, that was extremely presidential of Barrack Obama, and it is of little wonder that the majority of Americans now are sick at heart at the prejudices of Donald Trump and the people who rabidly support him.

oldhomey

I agree wholeheartedly with your concurrence with Mr. Gerson, Jo. I hope you are right about the gut instinct of the majority of American voters concerning Trump's blatant criminal activities that are the antithesis of patriotism, whether he sports an American flag lapel pin or not. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.

DMoney

And if your hopes are dashed, we're just a bunch of idiots and/or the Constitution needs to go, right? At what point is the problem you (your side)?

PhysicsIsFun

Yes, you are a bunch of idiots. That or your point of view is so distorted that you can not think straight,

DMoney

Thanks for proving my point.

martian2

remember D the scandal during Obama when he gave a speech in the rain and a Marine stood beside him and held an umbrella over him! OMG the right was outraged! The were incredulous seeing this white Marine holding an umbrella for a black president. Hate radio and fox hate news went on for days about the atrocity that took place. My gawd you would of thought another war got started. No the GOP doesn't get that upset about wars, just the fact that a Marine was holding an umbrella for Obama was enough for them to get their dander up. And you whine about the resistance and the awful way Trump is being treated. Get real and get a memory, you right wingers can't remember much at all.

DMoney

We shall see what the election says. You can stick pills and media reports where the sun doesn't shine--the people will have the say. Not saying Trump wins, but that's the only judgement that matters. Impeachment resulting in removal from office will never occur, that I am sure about.

Jobaba

Hence, this editorial. The only reason you are sure Trump won't be removed is that the GOP has bought into his immorality. I agree, I do not think he will be removed. A symptom of just how low conservatives will go.

martian2

How sad it must be fore D and newt- believing scientist,scholars, historians, economists and journalists have devoted their entire lives to deceiving you, while a reality tv star with decades of fraud and exhaustively documented lying is your only beacon of truth and honesty. Blind loyalty plays tricks on the mind, without you ever knowing it.

oldhomey

I, like you, D, do not have a reliable crystal ball to see what the future portends. In fact my crystal ball has been alarmingly deficient in the past in predicting the political future. But, while I might have agreed with you just a month ago that Trump would not be removed from office through impeachment, I would not be so sure of that anymore. Despite Trump's efforts to stonewall, a lot of new information is coming in, and it does not favor Trump. Human nature being what it is, if he is the fraud that he certainly seems to be, public opinion will not be kind to him, and, since he has never shown a whit of loyalty to anybody but himself, his "allies" may well start to desert him to his just desserts.

DMoney

If we live in a country where a president can admittedly have an affair, in the white house, and avoid being removed from office--while another man can be removed on conjecture and speculation--we are truly skewered as a nation. I don't believe that can/will happen. No "high crimes" or "misdemeanors" have occured, until PROVEN otherwise. Can't impeach on grounds the Constitution doesn't allow for, realistically.

martian2

well D of course its until PROVEN otherwise, that is what impeachment hearings are all about. I bet if truth be told, over half the presidents had affairs while in office and lied one way or another about it. What is important that presidents be held in check by congress, and therefor must cooperate with any investigation. If they don't they obviously have something to hide. Can't prove anything without the authority to get at the truth, and congress has it. Trump wants to obstruct it. That alone is enough for impeachment.

oldhomey

There is no conjecture left, D, when the president stands in front of God, country and television cameras and openly asks foreign nations to help him in his next campaign for president by digging up dirt on his potential opponents.

DMoney

*polls

Rick Czeczok

So what name are you writing under tomorrow?

oldhomey

Feeling a little desperate, are we, Ricky?

capedcrusader

How many are you using Czeczok?

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