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In 2006, a documentary called “Who Killed the Electric Car?” premiered at the Sundance Film Festival.

It suggested that the oil and auto industries undermined the development and production of electric vehicles during the late 1990s.

Electric vehicles or “EVs” were a clear threat to the profits of oil companies, and the required investment in developing new technology could be costly for the auto industry. But within the past few years, EVs have resurfaced and appear poised for a surge in popularity. What led to this turnaround?

It may have started with Tesla, a name that has become almost synonymous with EVs. Founded in 2003, Tesla delivered its first car in 2008, which happened to be the first EV with a range of more than 200 miles per charge. However, the luxury sports car had a price tag over $100,000. Tesla has produced several more EV models since, but until recently all of its cars cost a small fortune.

In 2010, Nissan introduced its EV, the Leaf, to the U.S. market. It had a range of about 100 miles and a cost around $30,000. Finally, an EV that was affordable to drivers without a six-figure salary. Yet many consumers still felt uneasy about the limited range.

In December 2016, GM became the first automaker to release an EV with a range of more than 200 miles but a price below $40,000 — the Chevy Bolt. The Bolt has a range of 238 miles per charge with a price around $37,000, which drops to under $30,000 after a $7,500 tax credit.

At first it was only available on the West and East coasts, but it became available nationwide earlier this year. In mid-October, I became the proud owner of a Bolt, about six weeks after placing an order through a Minnesota dealership.

The extension of vehicle ranges and the lower prices are making EVs a viable option for many more Americans. Finding public charging stations outside of major cities can be a challenge in the Midwest, but this infrastructure is developing quickly.

In the La Crosse area, charging is now available at the airport, Western Technical College and several car dealerships, in addition to other locations. Some small towns, like Sparta and Richland Center, are installing free public charging stations.

So what’s it like driving an electric car? Well, it’s very quiet.

When an EV is in park, you may not even be able to tell that it’s on. There’s no noise and no visible exhaust because there’s no muffler.

Most of the time, driving on the road doesn’t feel much different than a traditional car. The acceleration is fast and effortless. The biggest difference, of course, is not having to stop at gas stations. No more maneuvering to find an available pump on the right side for my car or worrying about getting the smell of gas on my hands or clothes. But best of all, I’ve reduced my dependence on oil and my carbon footprint.

The transportation sector is one of the largest contributors to U.S. greenhouse gas emissions. In 2015, transportation sources made up 27 percent of all emissions, with 60 percent of transportation emissions from “light-duty vehicles” (passenger cars and trucks). Each gallon of gasoline burned by a vehicle produces nearly 9 kilograms of CO2, along with small amounts of methane and nitrous oxide.

You may wonder whether EVs are really any better for the environment if the electricity used to charge them comes from fossil fuels, as much of our electricity in Wisconsin still does.

The answer is yes, because EVs are more efficient than gasoline-powered vehicles, meaning they use less “fuel” overall. The Chevy Bolt gets the equivalent of 119 miles per gallon (MPGe). Tesla models average around 100 MPGe and the 2017 Nissan Leaf gets 112 MPGe. In addition, EVs don’t have engine oil, so there’s no used oil to dispose of.

Many automakers are pledging to shift toward EV production.

General Motors has plans to produce 20 all-electric models by 2023. The Volkswagen Group has set an ambitious goal of selling two million to three million EVs annually by 2025.

Some European countries have announced goals to phase out gas-powered vehicles in the coming decades. France and the United Kingdom are planning to ban new gas and diesel vehicles by 2040.

It seems safe to say that EVs and greener transportation have a bright future.

Kathy Allen holds a master’s degree in conservation biology and sustainable development from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and works as a natural resource specialist with GeoSpatial Services in Winona, Minn.

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Buggs Raplin

It's been snowing in Houston, Texas. That's the deep south, folks. Snowing also in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi. But religionists, your 'scientists' will conclude this was either the hottest year ever, or something close to that. After all, they control the data, and they can do amazing tricks with it.

oldhomey

Yes, those hopelessly corrupt weather scientists, Buggs! Always lying that we are in the midst of warming climate change, telling all of us gullibles that it will manifest itself in very freakish weather occurrences. They are getting rich, Buggs tells us -- RICH!!! -- by lying and faking their data. He just doesn't know HOW they're getting rich, but thinks it has something to do with an old Star Wars movie.

Cassandra

Once again, Chippy conflates weather with climate. But why let facts get in the way when ignorant opinion is so much easier, right, Chippy?

Buggs Raplin

"Some of the biggest men in the US in the field of commerce and manufacture are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know there is a power somewhere, so organized, so subtle, so watchful. so interlocked, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath, when they speak in condemnation of it.-President Woodrow Wilson in 1913.

oldhomey

Buggs, Wilson was one of the most successful trust-busting presidents: " Wilson began pushing for legislation which culminated with the Federal Trade Commission Act signed in September 1914. In doing so, Wilson broke with his predecessors' practice of litigating the antitrust issue in the courts, known as trust-busting; the new Federal Trade Commission provided a new regulatory approach, to encourage competition and reduce perceived unfair trade practices. In addition, he pushed through Congress the Clayton Antitrust Act making certain business practices illegal, such as price discrimination, agreements prohibiting retailers from handling other companies' products, and directorates and agreements to control other companies. The power of this legislation was greater than that of previous anti-trust laws since it dictated accountability of individual corporate officers and clarified guidelines. This law was considered the "Magna Carta" of labor by Samuel Gompers because it ended union liability antitrust laws. In 1916, under threat of a national railroad strike, Wilson approved legislation that increased wages and cut working hours of railroad employees; there was no strike."

I have no way of knowing the context of the Wilson quote you are offering up as proof that he was an early lunatic conspiracy theorist such as yourself. I suspect it is more connected to his fight to bust up the giant trusts. At the time just one percent of the population controlled something like 75 percent of the personal wealth in this country. In other words, the game was loaded to benefit the wealthiest, the precise position we find ourselves in with the new oligarchs like the Koch boys. It is bad now as it was in the days of rampant trust corruption, and the GOP tax "reform" bill is about to make it worse. You voted for these thieves and clowns, we all have to live with it and through it until sanity can be restored.

Buggs Raplin

The words speak for themselves. You can try to obfuscate them, as you usually do.

oldhomey

Obfuscate? Have I mis-characterized Wilson's efforts to eliminate trusts? Have I said something inaccurate about wealth distribution in this country in 2012, a grossly skewed distribution that launched the anti-trust movement? Have I inaccurately compared it to an almost equally skewed distribution of wealth in this country today -- 2017? How long will it take before voter despair and anger turns on the thieves and bandits on Wall Street today, as happened with the trust-busting efforts? I would guess that, because you will not tell us the context in which Wilson said the words you quote, you are hiding something, Buggs. And that is what obfuscation is, is it not, Buggs? Hiding the truth?

oldhomey

Okay, Buggs, you inspired me to dig a little more deeply:

"He's [Wilson] talking about monopolies. He is saying that large established companies operate to prevent new companies establishing themselves within the same market, if you read the rest of the paragraph that becomes clear:

'Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. They know that America is not a place of which it can be said, as it used to be, that a man may choose his own calling and pursue it just as far as his abilities enable him to pursue it; because to-day, if he enters certain fields, there are organizations which will use means against him that will prevent his building up a business which they do not want to have built up; organizations that will see to it that the ground is cut from under him and the markets shut against him. For if he begins to sell to certain retail dealers, to any retail dealers, the monopoly will refuse to sell to those dealers, and those dealers, afraid, will not buy the new man's wares . . . '"

This is classic Buggs. Cherry pick a partial quotation because it seems to support his point of view, but the full quote quite clearly blows his own position right out of the water. This is a form of lying and intellectual dishonesty, but we know to expect that from Buggs Raplin.

Buggs Raplin

Story today being carried by Drudge: "Climate Alarmists Caught Faking Sea Level Rise.

Cassandra

And because it's from Drudge, we know it's probably untrue.

Buggs Raplin

In your world, yeah.

oldhomey

Buggs, you haven't that I recall ever been able to back up any serious position you have ever posited on these discussion boards. Not. Even. One. You know why? Because you live in your own fantasy world. Nothing is based on fact with you. You want gullible? Tell us more about Woodrow Wilson sharing your scary conviction that the whole world is being run by an evil conspiracy of elites who are sorta kinda like an evil version of The Force in Star Wars. You are a piece of work. A very twisted one.

Cassandra

In the real world, yeah.

oldhomey

Cassandra's world is my world, too, Buggs. It is known as "the real world", a place that you demonstrably are not familiar with. You seem to have trouble traveling there. Perhaps you should up some books that could guide you there. There is an excellent series of books designed for that purpose. Perhaps you could start with that. It is called an "encyclopedia".

Buggs Raplin

Cassandra lives in a fantasy world. You portray this fantasy world as real to fool gullibles like Cassandra.

Cassandra

Chippy always just retreats to name calling and denial when called out on not being able to provide a SINGLE SHRED of evidence to back up his ludicrous claims.
All these weeks later, for example, we're still waiting for a link to a SINGLE photo to back up his nonsense about the Vegas Strip being "raked by gunfire." Not ONE photo or video in all this time. NOT ONE.
It's really symptomatic of poor Chippy's delusions. He clings to his paranoid fantasy, even though he is called out on it daily.
He really needs mental health care.

Buggs Raplin

Gee, a lot of 'Reports' following Cassie's bullsh*t. I wonder if she works at the Tribune too.

Cassandra

Everyone's out to get you, Chippy. It must be because of that chip the CIA planted in your brain.

Buggs Raplin

Was that you skulking in my back yard last night? You had an ill-favored look about you.

oldhomey

Gosh, Buggs, we would not let that old Buggsaboo thing with the "Report" option to deny you the ability to respond to some criticisms of your position. Here, as a gesture of amity and good will, I will offer you a fresh opportunity to respond to a couple of critics after one of your inane postings:

Buggs Raplin Dec 5, 2017 6:43am

The elite are sort of like the "Force" from the Star Wars movies, only in a negative fashion. Woodrow Wilson spoke of their power when he was president of the United States. The quote is easily available with a google. I am admittedly not knowledgeable on the intricacies of the carbon tax, except that it would generate a huge amount of money. Surely it has to be reason the hoax is being perpetrated.
kingman10
kingman10 Dec 5, 2017 5:45pm

for a man obsessed with harping about carbon tax and all its evil, you sure show your ignorance on what it really is. Yet you keep harping like a good little troll for alex Jones, no need to know more, just follow your leader. It is safe to assume you are just as ignorant about climate change and all its intricacies too. Just think of it all as a conspiracy that can't be explained and keep up the trolling.
oldhomey Dec 5, 2017 9:59pm

Well, there you have it. Buggs admits he knows nothing about the mechanics and philosophy of the carbon tax, but he knows it is no good. He admits he doesn't know where the money would go, but he is pretty sure it would go to enrich the "elites". He doesn't exactly know who the "elites" are, but (in his own words) "are sort of like the "Force" from the Star Wars movies, only in a negative fashion." Up until now, I had been all for the carbon tax, but after this penetrating analysis by Buggs, I am not so sure, anymore.

Buggs Raplin

Well, one doesn't need to know the intricacies of a cancer diagnosis to know its not a good thing. Same with the carbon tax. Since the human-caused climate change hoax is based on opinion, not evidence, it's a safe assumption to conclude the carbon tax is the reason for the scam. Also, if there's a general acceptance of this scam in Congress, a new bureaucracy will be created. More government with "Green"agents monitoring your carbon footprint, creating jobs for all those unemployed liberal arts graduates.

kingman10

one who doesn't understand the intricacies of cancer doesn't go around saying its fake or bogus, and therefor you don't need to have treatment, its all a big conspiracy. That is why we rely on scientists on matters we know little about. People like you buggs, and Alex Jones or drudge or whoever right wing idiot is that day are not experts, not by a long shot. But your insanity doesn't stop you from talking about something you know nothing about.

oldhomey

Ahem. Buggsaboo, I believe you could go to the greatest cancer specialists in the world, either separately or as a panel, or both, and they would look at the evidence or lack of it in your body and form an opinion based not on what they saw in a Star Wars movie or something they read about in a Drudge report, but based on hard, scientific evidence that the were trained in collecting and putting into practice. Their conclusion would not rank with a declaration from God herself, or even from Breitbart. It would just be an opinion, though an extremely well-informed one. If they told you your fuzzy thinking seemed to be linked to a metastasizing cancer tumor in your brain that you could have removed, it would be wise for you to listen to them. I would say the same for the scientific process that has given us the diagnosis of a sick planet that is over-heating due human use of fossil fuels.

Buggs Raplin

I remember back in the 1970's the born again Christians would go around passing out tracts to people featuring the devil to scare the reader into becoming a follower of Jesus. Perhaps the faithful in the human-caused global warming community might do the same. It's certainly in accordance with the religious aspect of both movements.

Cassandra

Says the local leader of the Cult of Exxon.

oldhomey

Now the born again Christians go around passing out tracts with pictures of Roy Moore on them, a scary image, indeed, but they want people to elect Moore to the U.S. Senate. How do you explain that when you use your silly arguments about people who base their opinions on actual scientific evidence and not on faith or "lessons" from Star Wars movies?

Buggs Raplin

I borrow a rock song lyric in context to this editorial, and those many others favoring the unproven theory of human-caused global warming/climate change: Sha Na Na Ha, Sha Na Na Ha, Kiss it goodbye. And Ms. Allen, your effort here was the most pathetic of them all. Have fun with your electric car, which needs coal to go; have fun waiting 45 minutes to get your car going again, but do nothing to stop Rotary Lights, an expenditure of electricy (coal generated) that is so unnecessary if we are to save the planet. What hypocrites you are all-Sleznikow, Hatt, Malzer, Jawson, Van Maren, and the other gullibles. Why aren't you protesting Rotary Lights? Don't you care about 'saving the planet'? Sha Na Na Ha, Sha Na Na Ha-guess your credibility goodbye.-Chip DeNure aka Buggs Raplin

random annoying bozo

if man made global warming is real, and it is caused by use of fossil fuels, with coal apparently being the worst...aren't electric vehicles bad for the environment? after all, the vast majority of electricity used to charge them comes from coal fired electric plants.

Cassandra

You need to look at the larger picture, bozo. Electric and hybrid vehicles are more efficient when talking about miles compared to pollutant output. They don't idle and pollute when not moving, for example. Also, using electricity as opposed to fossil fuels for direct generation of locomotion can be accomplished through renewable sources like solar and wind.
Coal, gas and nuclear generation are on their way out as solar and wind generation make huge strides into the generation marketplace. The cost per kWh is dropping rapidly and is firmly competitive with antiquated technologies like coal. The new technologies are also developing jobs at a rapid clip, far outpacing coal and with much more long-term stability that oil and gas jobs that are dependent on the vagaries of pricing in the global market.

Buggs Raplin

Bullsh*t

Cassandra

Of course Chippy just calls BS without being able to dispute any of the facts presented. But he lives in a fact-free fantasy.

Buggs Raplin

Cassie talking about 'facts', is akin to the Democrats talking about Trump colluding with Russia.

Cassandra

Again, Chippy is unable to dispute the facts so he doesn't even bother to try.

oldhomey

Another evidence-based, fact-filled response from Buggs Raplin.

Buggs Raplin

I'm just curious. What with all the scare tactics being used by the human-caused global warming crowd, why aren't its local leaders-Ron, Vince, and Larry-along with people like the writer of this editorial and cathyv-down at Riverside Park protesting Rotary Lights?

Cassandra

They aren't out protesting because they're waiting with bated breath for you to provide some evidence of your ridiculous claims about the Vegas Strip being "raked by gunfire."

Buggs Raplin

OK, according to you, a multi-millionaire with no motive decides to kill a lot of people smuggling 27 high caliber weapons into his hotel room past security personnel and security cameras. If, you believe that bullsh*t, then you also believe humans have the ability to change the climate.

Cassandra

According to you, the Vegas Strip was "raked by gunfire." Yet not a SINGLE photo exists to back up your claim.

Cassandra

YOU made the ridiculous claim, Chippy. Back it up. Provide ONE photo. Just one.

Buggs Raplin

The elite desperately want a carbon tax. To get it, their pawns in the major media have launched a religious crusade to fool the people that human-caused climate change is real. True science has been corrupted by the manipulation and omission of data. Gullibles (mostly liberals) have been deceived on the issue by a media that lies to them on just about everything, yet they continue to trust it. It renders the lesson of the tale of the boy who cried 'wolf' meaningless. Yes, it is the new religion. Pure unadulterated 'faith' in a corrupt media, and corrupt scientists.

oldhomey

I am curious, Buggs. You obviously have no understanding what a carbon tax is, how it would be implemented and how its tax revenue that it would generate would figure into public policy. Just how do you think the "elites" would profit off of this tax? First of all, I guess, you would have to specify precisely who you think these elites are, then tell us how the tax revenue would be funneled to them. I don't know who would qualify better these days as an elite than Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon, the biggest carbon fuel company on Earth, I believe, and now Secretary of State. He thinks the carbon tax would be good. I suppose that would look like he wants it because it would benefit Exxon and, hence, his own bottom line. Except it would not, it would mean Exxon would be paying carbon taxes, I believe. But Tillerson, the oil man, contrary to you, believes humans are driving the onrushing global warming catastrophe and that the carbon tax is a sane, minimally disruptive and economic way to dissuade fossil fuel use while financing and encouraging development of safer alternative energy sources. So please, Buggs, tell us just who these elites are and why they desperately want a carbon tax.

Buggs Raplin

The elite are sort of like the "Force" from the Star Wars movies, only in a negative fashion. Woodrow Wilson spoke of their power when he was president of the United States. The quote is easily available with a google. I am admittedly not knowledgeable on the intricacies of the carbon tax, except that it would generate a huge amount of money. Surely it has to be reason the hoax is being perpetrated.

kingman10

for a man obsessed with harping about carbon tax and all its evil, you sure show your ignorance on what it really is. Yet you keep harping like a good little troll for alex Jones, no need to know more, just follow your leader. It is safe to assume you are just as ignorant about climate change and all its intricacies too. Just think of it all as a conspiracy that can't be explained and keep up the trolling.

oldhomey

Well, there you have it. Buggs admits he knows nothing about the mechanics and philosophy of the carbon tax, but he knows it is no good. He admits he doesn't know where the money would go, but he is pretty sure it would go to enrich the "elites". He doesn't exactly know who the "elites" are, but (in his own words) "are sort of like the "Force" from the Star Wars movies, only in a negative fashion." Up until now, I had been all for the carbon tax, but after this penetrating analysis by Buggs, I am not so sure, anymore.

Cassandra

So Chippy admits he doesn't know what he's talking about, yet clings steadfastly to his uneducated opinion and refuses to acknowledge any facts that might dissuade him.
So unsurprising.

cathyv

Thank you for writing about your experience. EVs are the future. Period. More and more countries are planning fossil fuel vehicle bans. For some of us, a new EV is still too expensive, but there are used ones available now, or hybrids with increased mpg. Thanks to Chris Schneider, the La Crosse area is a leader in alternative fuel vehicles. Now if only someone would come up with a retrofit to change our fossil fueled vehicles to plug in electric (and if only we had a decent and renewable-powered public transportation system to complement individual vehicle use ...)

Cassandra

EVs are too expensive today because the oil industry has consistently lobbied congress so it can maintain its monopoly on transportation fuels. This has put the American car industry at a distinct disadvantage as other manufacturers move ahead with research.
It's a foolish and short-sighted policy that may end up destroying one of the largest parts of our manufacturing economy.

Buggs Raplin

Perhaps its the cost of electric cars-unmentioned here-and the inconvenience and cost of getting them recharged that's the main detriments. Of course, coal is the energy behind electric cars in the first place.

awol2009

I'm all for non-oil consuming vehicles. However, the charging stations in the writer's column mention "free" charging stations in Sparta or other locations. Free? Someone pays for it. I guess the EV's owners get "free" road use also, because those of us that still don't find the mileage range far enough per charge or can't afford one, pay for their "free" roads and highways to drive on every time we fill up and pay state and federal gasoline taxes. I think Ev's are great for everyone, but expecting "free" charges and "free" road use is unacceptable. If everyone drove an EV, our already troubled transportation fund will be bankrupt. The solution would be a much higher registration fee vs. the standard $75 we currently pay. It just seems so stupid for her to say "free", when someone else is paying for it. The carbon footprint of EV's is far less than naysayers would argue against these types of motors. I question how they start and are maintained in -20 to -30 winter months. Is road salt corrosion a factor for the body/battery components? Alternative taxation/ fees will need to be addressed very soon to pay for our roads and bridges as the EV trend evolves.

Buggs Raplin

A while ago..a long while ago Ron Malzer stated in a Tribune editorial that we had to move 'quickly' to alternatives to the fossil fuels to save the planet from human-caused global warming. Now here is one of his disciples (and disciples is the correct word) telling us how she has bought an electric car. She doesn't tell us how much it cost because presumably the cost is beyond what most folks can afford. She gives no information on how long it takes to recharge an electric car, whereas if I go to Kwik Trip, I can 'recharge' my car in 5 minutes or so with gasoline. And, yes, as Climatehoax points out, the electricity for her car comes from coal, that hated fossil fuel that makes our lives comfortable. Ms. Allen, first of all, there's no such thing as human-caused global warming. Second, there are no alternatives to the fossil fuels that you think are a solution to what I say is a non-problem. Obama funded, with our tax dollars, many alternative energy projects, and they were mostly failures. I wonder if Ms. Allen, or any of the other religionists in their crusade have spent the money to solarize their homes. If so (and I doubt it) how much did it cost them? Alternatives to fossil fuels are a pipe dream for a non-existent problem. The Tribune continues its propaganda for the carbon tax in publishing your column.-Chip DeNure aka Buggs Raplin

oldhomey

Buggs, the U.S. taxpayer for decades funded research for a preventative to polio, and they all failed, until one didn't fail. It has saved millions of lives and avoided even more millions of lives of crippling deformities since then, and is on the verge of being killed off permanently, like smallpox. On the other hand, as you suggest, it may also be used in a dark plan by the CDC to kill and maim millions of children. Gosh. That was a bad example for me to come up with.

How about this example? For decades the America taxpayer has underwritten one failed quantum-physics-based experiment, but eventually that worked resulted in development of the transistor (and microchip), the electron microscope, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI),semiconductors, the diode, the transistor, things indispensable for modern electronics, computers and telecommunication devices that are transforming our world faster than you and I can comprehend. But wait! That means the NSA now watches you day and night through the electrical plugs on your baseboards -- though you, silly boy, think its through your television set. So that is probably a bad example, too.

You're right, Buggs. We should halt all government subsidies to research and development. In fact, we have a Trump administration now actively killing off such research. Wise move. What good could possibly come from it?

Buggs Raplin

Alternative energy sources are a pipe dream promoted to help convince the gullibles to go along with the hoax. They have thus far been a failure. Your polio analogy is ridiculous as polio was real and human-caused global warming is not.

Cassandra

Your belligerent ignorance is really tiresome, Chippy.

oldhomey

Well, Buggs, how much failed research did it take to find out that polio was a virus and that it wasn't transmitted from breathing in bad humours? It was a killing, maiming disease that was not at all in evidence until the 19th century, when society began finally to bathe regularly, drink pure water, implement municipal waste and garbage disposal. Living in relative filth, as did most of mankind throughout history until the 19th century, every child born was exposed to the polio virus, but their mothers, also exposed since birth, passed on natural immunities to it. Once children were born and raised in more pristine, healthy 19th and 20th century homes, the incidence of natural polio immunity fell off, and when children and adults inadvertently came in contact with the polio virus, they suffered its full-blown consequences because of lack of immunity. Science figured it out with a great deal of effort and publicly financed research, as it also came up with the vaccine.

Similarly, science has after decades of hit and miss research filled in the blanks and identified the spurt of rising global temperatures through the recent arc of history. And all evidence behind the cause of this warming is the human industrial revolution that spawned the profligate burning of fossil fuels producing carbon dioxide. I know you want to call it "junk science", but what you produce in your posts is the actual junk, including your unhinged campaign against childhood vaccines, including the polio vaccine.

Buggs Raplin

Again, your analogy misses my point. Polio is real; human-caused climate change is not.

oldhomey

No, Buggs, you miss my point. Polio was real. Nobody knew what it was, where it came from, how to fight it, but millions upon millions of dollars of tax money went into the study of polio until it was identified, its mechanics were understood and a medical solution was found. Nobody saw global warming coming -- or the unprecedented rate of increase of warming, for that matter -- but it was identified after millions was spent in tax-supported research, its mechanics were divined and publicized and mitigating solutions have been presented, including the carbon tax. Both stories involve the good work of taxes and the hated government and what you term as "junk" science. It is your opinion that is demonstrable junk, Buggs.

Climatehoax

How is the electricity produced that charges the electrics? Burning dirty nasty coal. Good exchange burn coal instead of clean gasoline, only morons think that’s good

Cassandra

Actually, Hoaxer, more and more that electricity is being generated from clean solar and wind sources. Those two industries are producing jobs at a much faster clip than coal and gas.
But you simply don't care. In your deluded effort to cling to the old ways you will continue to deny the wave of the future.
You'll be dead soon enough though, and the world will move on without you, and we'll try to clean up the mess you leave behind.

Buggs Raplin

What a sad pathetic person you are to say such a thing. Shame on you.

Cassandra

It's true. Hoaxer and yourself are on your way out, given enough time.
When your generation of greedy, fact-averse clowns are gone, it will be up to your kids to try to remake the world and clean up the mess you've left us with.
What is sad and pathetic is that you are so self-absorbed that you deny facts and simply don't care about the damage you are doing.

Climatehoax

Exactly what are YOU doing to help your perceived problem? I bet you aren’t any more earth , climate friendly than I am you liberal hypocrite. How is YOUR EV doing? Do YOU have your thermostat set at 62? Do YOU live without unnecessary AC in the summer? I could go on and on but you get the picture, right hypocrite? The biggest hypocrites on the face of the earth are people like you, run your mouth and do nothing.

Cassandra

Hoaxer, you know full well by reading these forums that I don't own a car. My house is powered by solar energy and my excess generation goes back into the grid to provide clean energy that you use to fire up your computer.
Don't pull that BS purity test on me or anyone. The real hypocrisy here is that you encourage people to do nothing while you destroy the environment for future generations.

kingman10

to charge up the electric vehicles they put a little mouse under the hood that runs on a wheel that generates the electricity to charge up the batteries. ON some deluxe models they use a bigger and stronger mouse and in addition there is a windup apparatus for a on board rubberband too. I hope I answered all your questions Hoaxer in a way that you can understand.

Buggs Raplin

Kathy fails to mention how much she paid for her car. She also states that she no longer has to stop at gas stations, but, of course, she has to stop and recharge her car. How long does that take, Kathy?

Cassandra

Pay a little more now for the vehicle and don't pay in the long run for the environmental damage done.
Like it or not, Chippy, the world is moving on without you.
You can cling to your horse and buggy ideas, but the rest of the world is creating a new paradigm. Without investing in the future and developing new technologies, American automakers are doomed to failure.

oldhomey

Right, Buggs. Of course we know that you maintain that stable in your backyard where you feed your horse oats -- a much more environmentally safe fuel for your horse-drawn transportation needs than gasoline for other's cars, or the laughable idea of electric-power vehicles (not gonna happen, nope, never, you say). And the horse gives you a copious supply of manure, that you joyfully spread on your posts to these comment boards! A man for our times -- Buggs Raplin.

Buggs Raplin

Buggs drives a 2013 Chevy Cruz, made in America.

Cassandra

At least PART of it is made in the US and the assembly completed here.
Domestic-produced content of the Chevy Cruz has ranged from a low of 44% to a high of 60%.

kingman10

oh why woulod you drive such a liberal car as that buggs. Thats a little economy car that gets good mpg. If you truly believe what you say, why aren't you driving a big suv, like a hummer. then you could really pour the carbon into the atmosphere while sneering at all those little Chevy Cruz drivers. And I hear lots of women really go for men who drive such big gas hogs, so you would have a better chance of not being so lonely. Then who knows, maybe you'll get another hummer.

Slider

When you can't discuss the topic, attack the writer. Nice subterfuge Old.

oldhomey

I am not sure, Slider, but I think you are attacking me in your 7:48am post. What topic are you attacking me on? You didn't say.

Hey19

As usual, yet another post goes right over oldhomey's (liar) head! lol

oldhomey 2020*
*still dazed, still confused and still illiterate

oldhomey

Stop jumping into my arguments univited, Hey(Sob!)19! Here I was winning, and then you come along and unfairly throw your powerful voice and penetrating reasoning into the soup, making it impossible for me! No fair! How can I compete with you? Especially with you being such an eloquent wordsmith, able to smoothly move everybody into your line of reasoning with your awesome command of the language. If this doesn't end soon, I will call the sheriff and have him evict you from my head for non-payment of rent. You meanie, you.

Slider

Buggs, at best it takes 45 minutes to charge. Kathy has nothing better to do than sit and wait....and write articles.

kingman10

Well would you look at that! Just look at it! Ms Allen bought herself an electric car, and they are becoming more popular around the world. what is mr oil and gas going to do? They kept us going for all these years. Now we are going to abandon mr. carbon. Just like mr. carbon help us forget about the horse and buggy. Would ya just look at that!

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