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There are sexual harassers, and then there is John Conyers, the Democrat from Detroit who made his congressional office an adjunct of his libido.

The evidence suggests that Conyers believed that as a 27-term congressman, he was entitled to the Washington, D.C., equivalent of the Ottoman imperial harem.

He routinely hit on his female staffers, and his office was a den of sexual intrigue — allegedly featuring a jealous wife and a vindictive mistress — that properly belongs in a Bravo reality show if the network ever extends its franchise to Capitol Hill.

A political party is rarely provided an easier test case for its bona fides. Conyers is an 88-year-old man who finds it increasingly difficult to carry out his duties. He holds an exceedingly safe seat that, should he resign, will be taken over by another reliably progressive Democrat. In this case, the political cost to the party of showing that it’s serious about “zero tolerance” for sexual harassment is almost nil.

Yet House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, when asked about Conyers on “Meet the Press,” mumbled and looked at her shoes. She wasn’t able to summon any dudgeon, let alone high dudgeon, about Conyers. The harshest thing she said is that “as John reviews his case — which he knows, which I don’t — I believe he will do the right thing.”

Oh, really? Conyers did step down as the ranking member on the House Judiciary Committee. Otherwise, his careful review of his own case has produced categorical denials that even Pelosi must find incredible.

It is true that Conyers hasn’t had his day in front of the House Ethics Committee. But neither has Roy Moore. That hasn’t kept Pelosi from denouncing him.

The multiple allegations against Conyers are specific and consistent. He reached a settlement agreement with one accuser, whose account is backed by affidavits from other employees.

One women said in an affidavit that one of her duties was “to keep a list of women I assumed he was having affairs with and call them at his request and, if necessary, have them flown in using Congressional resources.” Not having to bother with the logistics of your own mistresses is evidently one of the privileges of being a public servant.

Another accuser, a former Conyers scheduler, filed a lawsuit that she eventually dropped when a court refused her request to keep it sealed. In the suit, she says she complained to Conyers’ chief of staff about his unwelcome advances. The chief of staff told her to write them all down. She couldn’t “due to the extreme amount of time it would require to adequately chronicle these advances and behaviors and manage her work load.”

At one point, the wife of the congressman accused the scheduler of having an affair with Conyers and threatened to get her fired. Just another day at the office of the congressman from Michigan’s 13th District.

Pelosi offers two justifications for going easy on Conyers. One is that the congressman is a civil-rights “icon.” By this logic, being a legend is a little like being a celebrity as described by Donald Trump in the “Access Hollywood” tape — it’s a free pass for gross behavior.

The other Pelosi rationale is that Conyers “has done a great deal to protect women.” This makes ideology rather than personal conduct the standard.

The controversy over Conyers arrives as some liberal Democrats now say that Bill Clinton should have resigned as president for his sexual misconduct. Of course, they could have said that 20 years ago, or even one year ago. The evasion over John Conyers makes it clear that if the Clintons had any political juice left, it would be a very different story.

Whatever Democrats say about sexual harassment should be affixed with a giant asterisk — if it doesn’t suit their political and ideological interests, generous exceptions can and will apply.

Rich Lowry can be reached via e-mail: comments.lowry@nationalreview.com.

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Snow Cougar Mary Burke

Analysis of Obama's attempted takedown of Trump, via Flynn:

1. Add 9 February, 2017 to the timeline - Obama's people, possibly Yates herself, leaks to WaPo about Flynn's meetings with Kislyak.

2. These desperados were using wiretaps of Flynn to try and entrap Trump. And Obama, being the vile & petty loser he is, was trying to destroy Flynn's career, reputation & life -a man who dared to stand up to Obama's malignant narcissism.

3. They were using & leaking unmasked intelligence obtained under a FISA warrant, granted because the Steele Dossier - a pack of lies - was used in the application. Perjury.

4. What they didn't realize was that Trump & Flynn knew EXACTLY what they were up to and decided to turn it against them. I'm pretty certain that Trump has evidence that directly implicates these crooks in their scheme.

5. AND that much of that evidence was obtained by patriotic spooks allied to Flynn himself. That would be wiretapped conversations between Comey, McCabe, Priestap & Yates - that ALSO directly implicate one Barack Hussein Obama.

6. See, Flynn went into those meetings with the FBI already knowing that Obama's people were trying to use him to bring down a democratically elected POTUS (aka subversion & sedition).

7. There was no need for Flynn to be interviewed by the FBI, or to lie about normal transition work. He knew it, too. All his actions were DELIBERATE.

8. Flynn has been trashed by Obama/Clinton 'earned' media. They paint him as an eccentric loner with no allies or friends, because he dared stand up to (as Thomas Wictor describes Obama) their 'Very Special President'.

9. Reality? Flynn's a fantastic guy & honorable man. His network of spooks would be vast & loyal. Patriots all, some of them very powerful. Mike Rogers would be one. Woolsey is another. Both DETEST Obama.

10. They would have made sure Trump was provided with the hard evidence proving Obama's direct role in subversion & sedition. That's what will come out of this plea deal.

11. Flynn will reveal ALL now under oath, safe from public scrutiny. 'I lied because I KNEW the FBI, in conjunction with the Obama administration, was conspiring to use me to destroy the Trump Presidency. That's why I did it.' 'AND here's the evidence to prove it.'

12. Don't worry about General Flynn. He will be pardoned & honored. I think Trump will also refund Flynn for any personal expenses he's had to bear during this ordeal.

13. Trump will also make sure every American knows the sacrifice Flynn made to bring down some of the worst criminals in American history - hopefully, Obama himself.

14. Turns out Cryin' Chuckie Schumer was right. The spooks really can bring you down 'six ways from Sunday'. What he didn't realize was WHO the spooks were after the whole time.

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oldhomey

Read this and weep, folks. I expect it is fresh off the press of the Koch boys' disinformation groups. They don't like Trump, but he has gotten them SO CLOSE to giving them their answered prayer for a gigantic tax boondoggle, they don't want any silly little thing like Trump's collusion with Russia to derail the deal at this point. And OF COURSE, Alabama, we would welcome you in sending that great American, Roy Moore, to our hallowed Senate halls. He is an eminently buyable and pliable politician so favored by the Koch boys.

Buggs Raplin

Thanks so much for the time and effort you expended on this brilliant analysis.

oldhomey

Gosh, I spend so much time on these discussion boards, it REALLY is nice to get a note of thanks for my efforts from somebody like Buggs. Thanks a bunch, Buggs, for your 7:00am post.

Buggs Raplin

Yeah, thank the Tribune for placing my compliment to Snow before your bullsh*t.

oldhomey

First come, first served is a pretty universal standard of fairness, Buggs, even on the reply function here. I guess it takes a true conspiracy freak to make this into a dark and nefarious machination by the Tribune's I would think automated computer-driven placement of responses in the order that they come in.

crank

I'm wondering, SnowCougar... If this column by Lowry was related to Conyers, why have you posted this manifesto under it's comments? It has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject matter of the column.

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Cassandra

Those of us who are NOT Russian fake news bots such as yourself, Cougar, will wait for the justice system to lay out the actual facts and take down your second favorite dictator.

johnnybragatti

Trump "s got 50+ sex assaults "coming" to light ,after the other caca. Trump will either be assassinated, or impeached, or resign,or be busted ,( let"s be honest folks and realistic),
for tax evasion, or shoplifting, or starting a war, where all are killed and there"s no more trees.
Funny the boomer /geezers older than dirt, ,like snowjab and DeKnure can"t see it,
as you would think they were around previous wars,40 s, 50 s 60 s, 70 s?
I wasn"t but we all got History class.
JC

new2Lax

Friend, you should have attended.

Hey19

The troll skipped quite a few English classes, too.

oldhomey

Whoa. YOU of all people should perhaps think twice about snarking over somebody else's communication skills, Hey("Sob!")19.

Hey19

says oldhomey, who can't read... lol lol

Hey19

re: oldhomey Dec 2, 2017 9:09pm
says the guy who can't read. lol

good to see i be livin' rent free in the old dude's head. ROFLMAO

he keeps on dodging, folks. when is he finally going to tell the full story behind the derivation of my nickname? perhaps he'll find some time to do so when he isn't lying about it? LIAR LIAR oldhomey's PANTS BE ON FIRE!

carry on, dude. nice to know you have nothing better to do than to troll my posts. lol

pst, folks? what did oldhomey (liar) get on his ACT test? Drool...

Hey19

hey, oldhomey (liar) -
you're killing me, smalls... i demonstrate a far better command of the english language than you do, or ever will. lol

but i admit i sometimes get myself into trouble when trying to dumb things down for people such as yourself, who can't read or comprehend above the level of a dick and jane primer...

and you may think that my repeating things three or four times might reflect poorly on me, but rote learning seems to work for people such as yourself...

oldhomey (dodger) - he with nothin' better to do with his life than to trade insults and to try to match wits with hey19...

man, if only i had the free time to waste on these forums like oldhomey does...

i be over and out, old dude. life calls...

Buggs Raplin

johnny's struggling with coherence.

oldhomey

Aha! So Johnny is Hey19's real world, actual name! Is that what you are telling us Buggs? I don't actually care, but I agree with you, the man is pretty incoherent.

oldhomey

Three posts in barely half an hour, each one more convoluted than the last. You can almost smell the desperate stench of loser on Hey(Sob!)19.

oldhomey

johnny, I too am a geezer, and I wish you would knock off the loose, off-handed references to assassinations. As a geezer, I lived through those terrible murders, and it is not something to be thrown around casually like just another possible political event. They are horrible, shocking, numbing and enervating to the entire nation, which never really does recover from them. Witness the stupidities of people like Buggs and Alex Jones, which are direct and malignant growths on our political and social systems that emerged from those assassinations. It is not a joke, and it is not good form to even suggest it. History class won't tell you, but geezers will.

johnnybragatti

I said nada "bout joking about assassinations ,
the reality ,as is the actuality, of it in America, is huge, since we are a top contender.
Having a psychotic so called Pres, doesn"t help either and in America or Amerika,
anything goes.
Stephen Paddock, Dylan Roof,Squeaky Froehm? ect., ect., ect.,
BTW me grandad was a geezer, who helped end the Viet War,
you ain"t no Geezer, unless you are very,very angry.
You "re not angry, "cos you wouldn" be able to think straight. like some of the other commentors can NOT do.

awol2009

Such reminiscent stories of the 90's sex scandals. While GOP Newt Gingrich was bedding his slu++y staff mistress, Camille, as his 2nd wife was dying of a terminal illness, he was he11bent on impeaching Slick Willie for his consensual trysts with Monica. The most expensive witch hunt ( and B Job) in the history of the world. Kenneth Starr racked up millions of dollars and wasted resources over Bill & Monica while then Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich was committing adultery with his staffer. Hypocritical irony then, as there is now. As the saying goes, people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Buggs Raplin

Newt never raped anyone, like Bill Clinton did. "You better put some ice on that," said Bill after he bit down on Juanita Broaddrick's lip as he raped her.

awol2009

Newt and the GOP raped and pillaged our country, the US Treasury, Social Security Trust Fund with yet-owed I.OU.'s. Your repeated stories about Juanita are old new, she recanted her lies about this. Where have you been?

new2Lax

She has been on the tube for the past two weeks on nearly every channel and she wasn't recanting a thing. Where have you been.

Buggs Raplin

So uninformed, so gullible, so stupid, so awol

awol2009

She recanted in a sworn affidavit that this didn't happen. Reports have circulated she is now being paid big GooPer $'s to "recant her recant". From Wikipedia: Broaddrick was subpoenaed in the Jones suit soon after and submitted an affidavit denying that Clinton had made “any sexual advances”. Not a credible "victim".

Tim Russell

So we are supposed to ignore tRump being Putin's puppet because of what #42 might have been done?

Climatehoax

Trump wasn’t going to run
Trump can’t get the nomination
Trump can’t get elected
Trump won’t be sworn in (something about Johnny and a bullet in someone’s head)
Trump won’t accomplish anything
Trump will be impeached
Trump will be impeached
Trump will be impeached
Over
And over and over and over
You guys are stupid, wrong and sickening, ha,ha.

Buggs Raplin

There was no Russian collusion by Trump during the campaign. None. Nada. Zilch. There will be no impeachment.

oldhomey

When Buggs speaks, we all better listen, because the man has a way of getting his information right from the horse's mouth. On the Trump/Russia collusion issue, he got a VERY firm denial from Guccifer 2.0. He found a direct email contact to Guccifer 2.0, asking if there was any truth to Trump colluding with the Russkies, and Guccifer 2.0 got back to him directly, assuring him: "It's bullshitsky, comrade. If you continue to pass my message on to your people, we will continue to see that you are regularly supplied with vodka for your martiniskis."

Buggs Raplin

Guccifer 2.0 was a Democrat.

Tim Russell

Proof?

oldhomey

Tim, Buggs has absolute, dead-to-nuts, solid-in-cement proof, but your challenge has only a "Report" option under it, making it impossible for him to expose this important truth. Dang! Now we will never know, I guess.

Tim Russell

You are right, there will be no impeachment.
The coward will resign before it gets to that point.

awol2009

SnowBlobCougar, not a very good diversion attempt there, but nice try. Our mentally deranged *POTUS will be lucky to serve a full year in office. His son and SIL are going down bigtime with him on the Trumptanic. Your delusional attempts to mind-fu@k people is laughable, yet pitiful. You must be desperate for Christmas spending money as you've been off the propaganda payroll for a bit of time now. Be sure to get those meds refilled, you'll be in need if some strong sedation very soon. Oh, an FYI, no one is stupid enough to click your baited links you post on these comment sections. You really should get a better gig elsewhere. We've been on to you for quite awhile, give it up pussycat.

Snow Cougar Mary Burke

The same agent who interviewed Hillary without oath has now been FIRED from Mueller probe for being a Hillary supporter and Trump Hater. Tell me again how President Trump and his family are the ones targeted with the probe.....If you want to see delusional, look in the mirror.

CLICK HERE: Washington Post - Top FBI official assigned to Mueller’s Russia probe said to have been removed after sending anti-Trump texts

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

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awol2009

SnowBlobCougar, Click here: 🐂💩🐂💩🐂💩😎

Tim Russell

Lol Guccifer!

Snow Cougar Mary Burke

From 10/30-11/22 there have been 4,289 sealed indictments. Four of which have been filed in western Wisconsin. Do you really believe Mueller is not working with Trump? The left doesn’t know what they’re in for, and when the curtain rises, they’ll be sh!tting their pants in fear.

How does one go to Washington DC and become a multi-millionaire? Who in western Wisconsin represents the people in Washington DC?


CLICK HERE: Update to Sealed Indictments: 4,289 in all of U.S. from 10/30 - 11/22

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

oldhomey

Snow seems to be running such a severe fever that she is hallucinating. If she is Buggs' best friend, I hope he sees to it that she gets to a doctor.

Snow Cougar Mary Burke

Did you know Flynn was directed to contact Russia by the outgoing Obama administration? Do you know that Flynn was caught "lying" as a result of the illegal wiretapping of Trump, that was authorized as a result of the fake Russian dossier? Who fired Flynn after admitting he did not disclose this before he was hired?

CLICK HERE: Before the Russian Hoax – Obama’s State Department “No Problem with Trump Transition contacting Russian Ambassador Kysliak”

Tim Russell

Very reliable reports today of NRA involvement with hooking up tRump with the Russians Comrade.

random annoying bozo

it would seem that all of these liberal male 'champions for women' use that charade only so they can accomplish their true goal...that being 'preying on women'.

oldhomey

Well, you don't post nearly as often as you used to, bozo, but you prove with your 10:11am post that you self-selected the perfect screen name for yourself. At this stage of the discussion, who but a bozo would pretend that sexual harassment is solely in the province of Democrats?

new2Lax

Homey, huge difference here. Dennis Hastert admitted guilt in lieu of a trial. Our system says you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Al Franken admitted wrong doing but that does not excuse his behavior, where John Conyers is presumed innocent as well, until a trial or Senate Committee finds otherwise. Look what happened in the Duke LaCrosse players. They had to prove they were not guilty, public opinion was wrong. I’m surprised, you need to keep on inquiring.

oldhomey

Well, thank you, new2. I will indeed continue to keep inquiring. I won't swear to it, by the way, but I am not sure Hastert has ever acknowledged he was sexually abusing teenaged boys when he was their coach more than 40 years ago. He copped a plea about illegal financial maneuvers he was using to pay off hush money to one of his victims, and that is what he did time for. But we are SO grateful to have patriots like you who will stand up for men like Moore who, despite the monumental evidence to the contrary, insists he did not abuse teenage girls when he was in his thirties and hence is prime material for the U.S. Senate. Good one, new2. We have all come to expect that sort of conduct from you.

new2Lax

The evidence you cite is he said she said at this point. Our system says and you should know this at your age, innocent until proven guilty. What you think means nothing in the legal system. I stood up for the Duke Lacrosse team as well, I stood up for the policemen in Ferguson and the Baltimore Policeman in the Freddie Gray case and now I'm so glad I did. These cases were filled with accusations, so in your mind if you thought differently because of the allegations, you should now be an unpatriotic person. The law happens to be what we use as a guide in this country. I think paying money to an individual wouldn't be a crime, I suspect, why he is paying is person is the actual crime and what got him put away. If that fact didn't come out, I do not believe he goes to prison. Unless the amounts exceeded the 10,000 dollar limit per year and he tried to conceal it.

oldhomey

Hmm. The other day on a post, new2, you said in your long, awesome career as an HR man in a Fortune 300 company you saw and handled a lot of sexual harassment cases involving, if memory serves, everybody from maintenance workers up to company vice presidents. There were many cases, you said, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, but they became much more numerous as time went on. That coincides exactly with my employment in a Fortune 300 company. And though there weren't many sexual harassment cases in the 1960s and early 1970s, I think there was more open sexual harassment then than at any later date. It just wasn't recognized as such. Women at that time were for the first time getting hired into more skilled positions than the usual receptionist, secretarial jobs, and they were in those days, because Vietnam was sucking up new young male talent in the military, often young, right out of college women. I watched women get treated execrably, ogled and hit on and often pressured by superiors to "go out" with them. At first I thought it was the norm, but getting to know many of these women as friends, I realized the pain and disadvantage they were in, but HR departments weren't exactly a listening post for them in those days. As more women got into the work force and proved themselves, rising in the ranks, a lot of this behavior began to change. At least there was not so much open harassment. You say you lived through it, so I wonder what your experience was, though I doubt you would ever truthfully talk about it. It is interesting, too, that the late 1960s and early 70s is when these women were teenagers and said Moore, an assistant state's attorney in his 30s, was hitting on them. His own police department had to ban him from the shopping mall, for God's sake, but nobody in power called him into account. I guess it was just "cute" then to think the young man had a thing for teenagers. Had the local sheriff or chief of police or any of the men or women in their department had a 14 year old daughter bothered by him, however, he might have had a different sort of comeuppance.

oldhomey

I checked back tonight to see if new2 had responded to my 12:31am post. I didn't expect that he would. But in my haste writing my post at 12:31am, I see I made a glaring error that I will correct here. In his earlier post, new2 said it was his experience that there was NOT much sexual harassment in the late 1960s and 1970s, and I attributed tho opposite of that to him in my 12:31am post. That is important, as my point is that sexual harassment on the job was probably worse then that it was in the following decades, for the reasons I explain in my post. It might not have been an "issue" then to HR men like new2, but it certainly was present and probably more prevalent than at any time in his career.

awol2009

GooPer diehards would vote for Satan, as long as there is an (R) listed after the name on the ballot. Oh wait, they did. Moore won the recent AL Senate primary and also voted for tRump last year.

new2Lax

The cases I have been involved with go back to the late 60's, they were far and few between and gradually grew to a crescendo in the 90's. We required all employees attend diversity training, work place behavior training and a program we purchased from DuPont on a variety of workplace training programs. The training made clear there would be zero tolerance and the number of reported incidents dropped dramatically. I could write a book on some of the incidents, from VP's to the Janitors. There was never a dull moment. Big Corporations do not have a lock on the problem, it is found everywhere. It may never stop but it can be dealt with effectively. There absolutely must be zero tolerance.

oldhomey

Well thank you, new2, for endorsing my earlier comment that this is a problem throughout our society. It shouldn't be politicized. It should be opposed and fought against whatever political stripes you might wear. If crank could concede that point, I might even endorse HIM, saying, "Good point, crank. I agree!" Boy, I can just imagine how proud that would make him.

Tim Russell

On the first day of Christmas
Bob Mueller gave to me
Mike Flynn and a guilty plea.

Buggs Raplin

Much ado about nothing. There was no Trump collusion with Russia during the campaign. None

oldhomey

Did you arrive at this conclusion after deep consultation with your "best friend" Snow, Buggs?

Tim Russell

Reports today of collusion in conjunction with the NRA Comrade.

Cassandra

And when the facts and evidence show otherwise, Chippy will continue to deny the evidence as he does with everything else that he disagrees with.

new2Lax

On the second day of Christmas,
Bob Mueller gave to me,
3 new indictments,
One for Billy Boy,
and two for Hilllaaarrryyy.

tower

Wow, another one bites the dust. Rep Thurenthold, R-TX just got burned, and not from 40 yrs ago nitwit. 2014 he settled a sex harrassment suit with a staffer. And he is the only one shown to have paid the settlement with taxpayer money. This, btw, is another Birther clown.

new2Lax

You must have missed Democrat Ruben Kihuen from Nevada, Pelosi wants him to resign.

tower

Guess all you guys didn't watch the news yesterday. Pelosi held a news conference and said Conyers should resign.

crank

It sure took her a while but....Hooray! (Now let's see if he actually resigns.)

new2Lax

And she is right, now for Al Franken.

crank

Lowry makes fair points. He is fair to question Pelosi's defense of the man. We should all agree that Conyers should have resigned by now. Like back in 2015... Let's focus on that for a moment. Do we agree? If so, then say so.

He summarizes his column with this... "Whatever Democrats say about sexual harassment should be affixed with a giant asterisk — if it doesn’t suit their political and ideological interests, generous exceptions can and will apply."

If he would have left out the word "Democrats" and replaced it with the word "politicians", he would have been more accurate. #protectedclass


oldhomey

I think Lowry is fair to question Pelosi, too. I think it is fair for all of us to question why, if it is known generally who in Congress is using their position to force themselves on others sexually, they are not summarily publicly exposed and called to account. But, as we have seen, this sort of abuse of power seems to be universal, in all walks of life, especially so in corporate life, as any savvy old HR man might attest to. So I am always left uncomfortable when tsk tsk politics and politicians. Politics is a rough and nasty business, and some politicians are rapacious and evil. But so are most walks of life, and we don't seem to have any alternative to organizing our society in an orderly and reasonably smooth-operating way without government and the politicians who run it. At some point somebody has to stand up and say "this is what needs to be done, and this is the way we are going to do it", and those are the political leaders we elect. If their decisions are wrong, we can always fire hem. Instead of looking at them as some sort of monolithic "protected class", why don't we assess them individually. Some of them actually are honest, hard-working and effective. In fact, most of our greatest heroes in history were politicians of one kind or another. I don't think we can live without them, so we had better work together to keep our politics and politicians on the straight and narrow as best we can.

kingman10

crank the pervert still getting his kicks out of posting this woman, who did no wrong. Some people are just sick.

crank

According to oldhomey, she did. #waronwomen

oldhomey Nov 28, 2017 10:26pm
In the interim, we indeed have learned more, and it is a bit puzzling, because the woman herself was just as guilty as he was of the sexual horseplay during this particular tour. "

Some people are sick indeed but you didn't criticize oldhomey for saying this.
#doublestandard

oldhomey

Well, I can dig it out if you want me to, crank, but I did in fact strongly note the photograph of Franken leering while holding his hands over the sleeping woman's breasts is inexcusable and certainly shows he lacks judgement and any sort of sympathy or empathy for her, which should call into question his actual world view on women. Since originally stating that, I decided it was enough to warrant his resignation from the Senate. On the other hand, another video from the same USO tour shows this woman standing onstage to the side of a performing guitarist, leering at his butt, sidling up and rubbing her own against his, him reaching down to grab her tush, she returning the favor to grab his tush. As I have said elsewhere, it kind of takes the righteousness of her complaint about Franken in that same episode. It is like producing a video of Franken sneaking a terd into the punch bowl and loudly protesting his dastardly deed, but then being caught on another video of yourself sneaking your own terd into the punchbowl, too. Am I #doublestandard, crank, or are you? It is easy to take a righteous stand against me for my observation, but there is truth in context, too.

crank

No need to dig it up... it was all in the same comment which I have present to you several times. In that comment you first noted Franken wasn't actually touching her. #mansplaining Then you went on to say how wrong you thought he was for doing this. Good for you, you had the right idea.

But THEN you wrote this bit "...because the woman herself was just as guilty as he was of the sexual horseplay..." I thought, W...T...F...?!?

Are you trying to tell us these aren't your words and that you didn't write them, pompous one?

The fact your pal kingman10 has continually criticized me for showing Franken doing this but has offered not one peep about your stupid, thoughtless comment blaming her for it is the #doublestandard. #triblibs

crank

You seem to be forgetting what really bothered her was Franken forcibly kissing her and shoving his tongue in her mouth though Franken doesn't remember this. Liberals really do have a conveniently selective memory.

Keep trying to #mansplain it, oldhomey.

#doublestandard

oldhomey

Ahem. crank, regarding your 3:32pm and 3:37pm responses, could you please point out where I have denied writing any of the words that you saved and cut and pasted out of earlier posts by me? I certainly did write them. I still believe in them and they in no way that I can see run counter to anything I have said since. Yes, I think Franken should resign for what he did. No, I am not trying to question whether he actually did to this woman what she said she did. But I am also correct, I believe, in questioning what was actually going on among the cast members of this USO tour group. On the face of it, it would appear there was a lot of sexually-tinged horseplay going on, given she seems to have been engaged whole-heartedly in it herself. That might make no difference to you, being the opportunistically huge champion of feminist politics that you seem to be, crank, but it might give many others legitimate cause to wonder if this is as cut and dried as you would like it to be. Franken's behavior is enough to call in to question his judgement and his commitment to women's rights, so he should resign. But I am not sure if it warrants the tar and feather hue and cry that accompanies the charges against Mssrs. Weinstein, Lauer, etal.

Slider

We have to pass the indictments in order to know what's in them!

oldhomey

I am looking forward to the indictments that will almost surely follow Michael Flynn's grand jury testimony. I know you must be anxious about that, too, Slider.

kingman10

I knew Lowry would have to come out with a scathing column on democrats in order to keep his job. He has been too hard on the president lately. Funny how he focuses on Conyers only, and slightly mentions Clinton. Not a word on the Alabama candidate for senate, nothing said about Trump or anyone else on that side of the aisle. Lowry is as phony as they come. Yes Conyers should resign now, I think we all can agree with that no matter what Pelosi says.

capedcrusader

He's as phony as our so called President. Show your taxes Trump! Go Mueller!

new2Lax

More than likely that is exactly what will happen, Mueller will go.

oldhomey

Right, new2, but not before he takes Michael Flynn into a grand jury in the next couple of weeks. Who will remain in office longer, Mueller or Trump?

new2Lax

My money is on Trump, care to wager.

oldhomey

I don't wager on politics, new2. I have a lifetime of experience in being stunningly wrong when trying to predict what is going to happen. And Trump, of course, has it within his presidential right to fire Mueller. If he does, however, it will be almost impossible for him to avoid the articles of impeachment being drawn up against him and passed into the trial stage by his own party. Let's just say I am betting that when the dust clears from this mess in history it will be Mueller whose name will remain honorably intact and Trump whose name will be remembered in infamy. I know the meaning of the word "infamy" has been distorted in recent decades, but I use it in its old meaning, and that isn't good for Trump.

new2Lax

Other than allegations against the Alabama candidate, what can you say about a 40 year old allegation. Allegations of 40 years ago are as meaningless as your opinion.

oldhomey

How about those 40 year old allegations against Dennis Hastert, new2? Were they meaningless to Hastert, who ended up doing time in the federal penitentiary because of them and continues to face civil actions from them? Tell us your thoughts, such as they are, new2. Inquiring minds want to know.

new2Lax

Inquiring minds want to know. Okay, I'll even tell you. Dennis Hastert was guilty and deserved what he got.

oldhomey

So I guess then, new2, you might want to reconsider your statement that allegations made 40 years ago are "meaningless". May we put you down in our journal of that change of opinion for you? Would that mean that my opinion is still meaningless?

crank

Would continually bringing up Dennis Hastert (the dirty rotten child molesting Republican) be considered he sort of #whataboutism Dana Milbank wrote about in his column the other day?

Hastert (the dirty rotten child molesting Republican) did go to prison. It was for banking-related charges just like Mel Reynolds (the dirty rotten child molesting Democrat). Both of these dirty rotten child molesters tried to use money to get their victims to remain silent about the abuse.

Dennis Hastert(the dirty rotten child molesting Republican) he pleaded guilty and served his sentence.

Mel Reynolds (the dirty rotten child molesting Democrat) did not admit what he did and claimed the charges were racially motivated. #racecard

Reynolds (the dirty rotten child molesting Democrat) had his sentence commuted by Bill Clinton who let him out of prison early. Nobody commuted the prison sentence of Hastert (the dirty rotten child molesting Republican). #doublestandard

Here's a fun fact... (It's like one of those crazy, random yet interesting statistics they sometimes come up with during NFL games.)
This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/reynolds.asp

In a comment on Nov 15, our trib-lib friend tower claimed, "Just remember, leftists cut their sexual deviants off while wingnuts elect them President (and apparently Senator)." Maybe it's just me but I'm seeing reality is just a bit different than what happens in tower's world of make-believe. #doublestandard #towerism #triblibs

new2Lax

Can't you see Trumps attorney asking Flynn on the stand, you admitted you lied to the VP Pence and the Administration, and you admit you lied to the FBI several times and now your not lying because as you know, you were not charged for several other more serious crimes, because they cut you a deal for information to damage this President. When you have been caught lying, judges say you can assume other lies are forth coming in your testimony. You have no reason to believe anything said is true.

kingman10

ok so you are backing the alabama candidate simply because the allegations are 40 years old. Got it, its there for all to read. Always thought you were perverted, this is roof positive.

random annoying bozo

the last time I checked the dictionary, 'allegations' aren't facts.

oldhomey

Glad to see you are forthrightly and patriotically standing up for Roy Moore, bozo. It is what anybody would expect from somebody who calls himself a bozo.

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